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Achilles 10-11-2010 08:35 PM

Matters of the Court, Life Sentence.
 
The worst punishment that a person can recieve other then the death sentance is Life. But for those who have done multiple wrongs and in the end have had more then one life sentece is stupid at the least, the goverment should find a better way to deal with a person who has done something that requires them to judge this, because in reality say its a serial killer and he gets four life sentances
what will that do to him its the same as one and that makes it feel as if only one person got justice. shouldn't they come up with a more harsh to say the least punishment that could be distributed if ur not going to give a person the death penalty?

d-ray657 10-11-2010 11:10 PM

There are life sentences for which parole is possible and there are others that are for life with no possibility of parole. Someone who has committed multiple murders would likely be segregated from the main prison population - maybe alone or maybe with other dangerous offenders. As Pete has mentioned before, the value of liberty is so great that some people would rather die than face the prospect of never again having freedom.

I'll consider myself fortunate to have never been able to imagine what is in the mind of a serial killer, or simply why someone would take the life of another without a second consideration. Accordingly, I can't say what would deter someone like that from killing. I don't know whether someone with that mindset would hate being isolated from the rest of society as much as I would. For me, however, the thought of such an isolated life would be worse than death.

Regards,

D-Ray

BlueStreak 10-12-2010 12:53 AM

Achilles,
Dude, that first sentence is about the longest I have ever seen!

On topic, now;

I posted something once before about a giant blender in the courtroom.......

Dave

d-ray657 10-12-2010 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 41888)
Achilles,
On topic, now;

I posted something once before about a giant blender in the courtroom.......

Dave

Only if it is a green defendant. Note: it is an interactive video.

Regards,

D-Ray

noonereal 10-12-2010 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 41880)

I'll consider myself fortunate to have never been able to imagine what is in the mind of a serial killer, or simply why someone would take the life of another without a second consideration.

There is no deterrence. It's like a gay person trying to lead a straight life.

noonereal 10-12-2010 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Achilles (Post 41878)
The worst punishment that a person can recieve other then the death sentance is Life. But for those who have done multiple wrongs and in the end have had more then one life sentece is stupid at the least, the goverment should find a better way to deal with a person who has done something that requires them to judge this, because in reality say its a serial killer and he gets four life sentances
what will that do to him its the same as one and that makes it feel as if only one person got justice. shouldn't they come up with a more harsh to say the least punishment that could be distributed if ur not going to give a person the death penalty?

What do you want to accomplish?

JJIII 10-12-2010 07:53 AM

Do we, as a people, really want to punish someone or do we want to protect ourselves from any more harm at the hands of someone? I personally believe that the punishment will come from a higher authority than here on earth. At the same time I resent having to feed and house some of the a$$holes we have in prisons now for the rest of their lives. The death penalty smells a lot like murder. Just because it is allowed by law doesn't change the final outcome.

(:confused: Can you tell?)

d-ray657 10-12-2010 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 41898)
Do we, as a people, really want to punish someone or do we want to protect ourselves from any more harm at the hands of someone? I personally believe that the punishment will come from a higher authority than here on earth. At the same time I resent having to feed and house some of the a$$holes we have in prisons now for the rest of their lives. The death penalty smells a lot like murder. Just because it is allowed by law doesn't change the final outcome.

(:confused: Can you tell?)

At least we can tell that you have thought about it, and that you haven't given in to a knee jerk reaction one direction or another. To me, to punish someone who has taken a cold calculated decision to take the life of another with another cold calculated decision to take a life, puts society in the role of the murderer.

I have similar questions about involvement in war. We train young men and women how to take the lives of others, and then put them in a situation of kill or be killed. It seems sadly ironic to me that people who don't trust the government to administer a health insurance system are more than willing to trust the government to make life or death decisions in international conflicts and in criminal administration.

Regards,

D-Ray

piece-itpete 10-12-2010 08:20 AM

Murder is the unlawful killing killing of another human without justification.

Since a state execution is by definition lawful, it is not murder.

Just my .02.

Pete

JJIII 10-12-2010 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 41900)
Murder is the unlawful killing killing of another human without justification.

Since a state execution is by definition lawful, it is not murder.

Just my .02.

Pete

I didn't say the definitions of the two words were the same. I said the outcome was the same.

piece-itpete 10-12-2010 08:28 AM

Just my 02 J. Yes, dead is dead.

Some of these scum deserve it imo, but it's not my opinion that makes it so :)

Pete

finnbow 10-12-2010 10:28 AM

I'd say exile them to a desert isle, maybe Cleveland.:D

piece-itpete 10-12-2010 10:34 AM

Hey! Don't be layin' any steamers on me! :D

Pete

BlueStreak 10-12-2010 10:57 AM

In the courtroom;

Spread plastic sheeting on the floor, table and chairs around the accused. When the death sentence is declared, the bailiff steps up and pumps two rounds into his head. (Bullets are cheaper than prison.)

If he lives he gets an appeal----that would be two more rounds. And so on.:)

If it turns out to be the wrong guy....Ooops! But the next guy gets the same deal.

If it's me? Guess I no longer have to worry about how I'm gonna pay for retirement now, do I?

Dave

piece-itpete 10-12-2010 02:39 PM

Not too much different than stringing them up next daybreak :)

My dad used to say, 'Justice is for the strong'. I'll have to ask him exactly what he meant.

Pete

Dirtycommy 11-02-2010 01:28 AM

You see the reason that Death Penalty isn't a deterrent is because in a lot of ways it's similar to a life sentence, you get 10,000 appeals in which, the lawyers, the judge, even the bailiff are all paid out of our pockets. Seriously I garruntee that if we gave people only a couple of appeals and had them properly executed in a matter of weeks after being sentenced I bet you'd see a drop in serious crimes after the first 500 are killed. The only thing wrong with this is the question "Wat if we kill someone who's not guilty?" Well hardly ever do we convict someone of murder who is not guilty and even if it was me who was that 1 in a billion guy wrongly accused sentenced to death, I wouldn't care if it meant that thousands of terrible people get whats coming to them

noonereal 11-02-2010 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirtycommy (Post 43041)
You see the reason that Death Penalty isn't a deterrent is because in a lot of ways it's similar to a life sentence, you get 10,000 appeals in which, the lawyers, the judge, even the bailiff are all paid out of our pockets. Seriously I garruntee that if we gave people only a couple of appeals and had them properly executed in a matter of weeks after being sentenced I bet you'd see a drop in serious crimes after the first 500 are killed. The only thing wrong with this is the question "Wat if we kill someone who's not guilty?" Well hardly ever do we convict someone of murder who is not guilty and even if it was me who was that 1 in a billion guy wrongly accused sentenced to death, I wouldn't care if it meant that thousands of terrible people get whats coming to them

First off there are no solid statistics as to wrongful conviction but most studies show it to be in excess of 10% which is shockingly high.
Studies on police tactics and the power of suggestion as well as memory studies show that the 10% error rate may be a significantly low estimate.

Second, most murders are not committed folks like you and me and the laws have a negligible effect on capital crime because it is not a part of a reasoned process by the criminal. (appeals or no appeals)

merrylander 11-02-2010 07:13 AM

People are tried by a jury of their peers, meaning I suppose people just like us. We none of us are perfect so innocent people sometimes find themselve in the wrong place at the wrong time. For this reason and no other I am against the death penalty.

noonereal 11-02-2010 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 43102)
People are tried by a jury of their peers, meaning I suppose people just like us. We none of us are perfect so innocent people sometimes find themselve in the wrong place at the wrong time. For this reason and no other I am against the death penalty.

Same here.

Brother_Karl 11-02-2010 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 43102)
People are tried by a jury of their peers, meaning I suppose people just like us. We none of us are perfect so innocent people sometimes find themselve in the wrong place at the wrong time. For this reason and no other I am against the death penalty.

Very well put.

finnbow 11-02-2010 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirtycommy (Post 43041)
You see the reason that Death Penalty isn't a deterrent is because in a lot of ways it's similar to a life sentence, you get 10,000 appeals in which, the lawyers, the judge, even the bailiff are all paid out of our pockets. Seriously I garruntee that if we gave people only a couple of appeals and had them properly executed in a matter of weeks after being sentenced I bet you'd see a drop in serious crimes after the first 500 are killed. The only thing wrong with this is the question "Wat if we kill someone who's not guilty?" Well hardly ever do we convict someone of murder who is not guilty and even if it was me who was that 1 in a billion guy wrongly accused sentenced to death, I wouldn't care if it meant that thousands of terrible people get whats coming to them

Studies have shown the deterence derives from the certainty of punishment, not the severity. Accordingly, if you were certain you'd be caught for a murder you committed, a sentence of 20 years, life, or death would have the same effect.

d-ray657 11-02-2010 07:40 PM

But if you've watched enough cop shows, you know that the threat of a death penalty provides a significant tool in getting co-operation from a murder suspect, especially if there is a partner in crime upon whom the murder could be blamed. We all believe everything we see on TV, right?

Regards,

D-Ray

finnbow 11-02-2010 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 43237)
But if you've watched enough cop shows, you know that the threat of a death penalty provides a significant tool in getting co-operation from a murder suspect, especially if there is a partner in crime upon whom the murder could be blamed. We all believe everything we see on TV, right?

Regards,

D-Ray

Only on The Colbert Report.:D


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