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Charles 06-30-2009 06:50 PM

Ron Paul
 
Like him or hate him, he currently has a bill on the table for an audit of the Federal Reserve...with app 240 cosponsors. Both sides of the isle.

Personally, I think this is a good idea. And I also think that the current plan to hand over even more power to the Federal Reserve without oversight is a lousy idea.

Have a pretty good idea how 'Ol Hickory would feel about this...he bet it all on stopping the central bank...and won.

Say Sandy, you were wondering how the turtle wound up on top of the post, well....

Chas

Twodogs 06-30-2009 07:37 PM

I like it too, and have no problem with Ron Paul whatsoever. I think he's a great American.

Charles 06-30-2009 08:15 PM

RP
 
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Originally Posted by Twodogs (Post 2110)
I like it too, and have no problem with Ron Paul whatsoever. I think he's a great American.


I would expect no less from a man with Ronald Regan as an avatar.

By the way, I concur,

Chas

Twodogs 06-30-2009 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles (Post 2113)
I would expect no less from a man with Ronald Regan as an avatar.

By the way, I concur,

Chas

Man, we could sure use Ronnie today.;)

Grumpy 07-01-2009 07:14 AM

Have to admit I don't know a lot about the guy but like that hes calling for an audit.

Sandy G 07-01-2009 03:22 PM

If history is any indication, the Fed will likely fight this...Not that they're doing anything wrong, but from what I've read & heard, they DON'T like to let "outsiders" know what they're up to...

Charles 07-01-2009 03:44 PM

The Fed
 
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Originally Posted by Sandy G (Post 2133)
If history is any indication, the Fed will likely fight this...Not that they're doing anything wrong, but from what I've read & heard, they DON'T like to let "outsiders" know what they're up to...

From what I've read, the Federal Reserve is a consortium of private bankers who are doing quite well loaning money to the Federal Government.

A lot of the founding fathers thought that one of the worst things, if not the WORST thing, that could happen to our nation would be to allow the money supply to be controlled by the international bankers.

Now maybe the Fed Reserve is a good thing, or maybe a bad thing. If they're as pure as the driven snow you would think that they would welcome the chance to open their books to the public...just to show what a great bunch of guys they are.

Now I suspect that there are more than a few of them how would rather this didn't happen...might just rile up the minions...who might just resort to the pitchfork and the torch. Might even inspire a few to go get Grandpap's ol' FN-FAL down from th' mantle and go asshole huntin'.

But not to worry, even it this passes, us dunderheads will never see the REAL books.

Chas

Sandy G 07-01-2009 04:04 PM

Don't aks me how I know this, but if one were to buy one of Buddie Gregg's surplus Fin-Fal lowers, ALL positions work...So I've heard...Harrumpf, harrumpff...(grin)

Charles 07-02-2009 03:25 PM

Buddie Gregg
 
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Originally Posted by Sandy G (Post 2135)
Don't aks me how I know this, but if one were to buy one of Buddie Gregg's surplus Fin-Fal lowers, ALL positions work...So I've heard...Harrumpf, harrumpff...(grin)

Ya lost me with the Buddie Gregg moniker...never heard of 'em.

I figger he's like ol' Dog, used to come up with AR lowers that suffered from the same affliction. Started makin' me nervous when he showed up with a MK1 Ciener. Made more noise than one would suspect, even usin' subsonic ammo...least that's what they tell me.

Wouldn't really know, as I must have been in church while all of this was happening. Don't much matter now, ol' Dog's gone to the better place. Up there with all of his old Airborne buddies.

Can't touch 'em now,
Chas

Sandy G 07-02-2009 05:05 PM

I forget Buddie's company's moniker, but he sure had about everything you needed for ys FAL or LAR...

noonereal 07-03-2009 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Twodogs (Post 2114)
Man, we could sure use Ronnie today.;)

I disagree. I think we needed him in the 80's as he took and swung the pendulum back to the right. Today that same pendulum needs to be swung back to the left. We will never be in the middle as we should be so we at least need to keep it rocking and not let it fall over by a radical swing to either side.

Charles 07-03-2009 12:58 PM

The only thing constant is change.
 
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Originally Posted by noonereal (Post 2177)
I disagree. I think we needed him in the 80's as he took and swung the pendulum back to the right. Today that same pendulum needs to be swung back to the left. We will never be in the middle as we should be so we at least need to keep it rocking and not let it fall over by a radical swing to either side.

Well, it's swinging to the left, all right. Hope it reaches the the limit of it's arc pretty quick.

Chas

merrylander 07-03-2009 01:17 PM

I respectfully disagree about needing him and Reaganomics, trickle down to me was more like being pi**ed on.

neophyte 12-16-2011 07:08 AM

As one who doesn't suffer buffoons, hypocrites, and pandering phonies well, I couldn't bring myself to expose myself to last nights GOP debate for the duration. Fortuitously, I peeked in just as the question of foreign policy, and our illegal war du jour with Iran came up. In my eyes, Ron Paul distinguished himself as the only one present with even a remote grasp of reality in regards to this topic. Kudos for not only having cogent thoughts and ideas on the matter, but also for having the balls to speak out for sanity. Well done.

Bigerik 12-16-2011 01:15 PM

I have a lot of respect for the man. I don't agree with everything he says, but at least he stands for something. And we will know where the buck stops.

finnbow 12-16-2011 01:18 PM

As a person who takes a liking to all sorts of eccentrics, I kinda like him too. But, he's far too flaky for the office he's seeking.

piece-itpete 12-16-2011 01:21 PM

I'm with you Finn.

Pete

BlueStreak 12-16-2011 01:23 PM

It's his flakiness that I admire. That, and the fact that he has the balls to question his own vile, pernicious, obssessed and deranged party.

Dave

neophyte 12-16-2011 01:40 PM

It both surprised and delighted me to hear the truth being spoken at that gathering about our "foreign policy", gunboat diplomacy being a far more accurate descriptive term for it.I can now take one of this group seriously. I am certain he hasn't the chance of a fart in a whirlwind of being elected POTUS, flaky or not. He spoke up against the wars of adventure that continue to plague this country, and will continue to until the fanatic militarism that infected our government 70+ years ago loses its grip on our country and minds. Any wisp of hope he may have had vanished when he said what he did. He sure gained my respect.

finnbow 12-16-2011 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by neophyte (Post 83251)
It both surprised and delighted me to hear the truth being spoken at that gathering about our "foreign policy", gunboat diplomacy being a far more accurate descriptive term for it.I can now take one of this group seriously. I am certain he hasn't the chance of a fart in a whirlwind of being elected POTUS, flaky or not. He spoke up against the wars of adventure that continue to plague this country, and will continue to until the fanatic militarism that infected our government 70+ years ago loses its grip on our country and minds. Any wisp of hope he may have had vanished when he said what he said. He sure gained my respect.

Though he wasn't as outspoken about our overseas military adventurism as Paul, Huntsmann's response to the foreign policy questions was along the line of "we need to focus on rebuilding our country's economic might again, as economic might will translate to a strong, influential foreign policy." He also seemed to dis the GOP's first inclination toward gunboat diplomacy, but in a more nuanced, thoughtful manner. Accordingly, he stands no chance with the GOP faithful.:o

bhunter 12-16-2011 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by neophyte (Post 83251)
It both surprised and delighted me to hear the truth being spoken at that gathering about our "foreign policy", gunboat diplomacy being a far more accurate descriptive term for it.I can now take one of this group seriously. I am certain he hasn't the chance of a fart in a whirlwind of being elected POTUS, flaky or not. He spoke up against the wars of adventure that continue to plague this country, and will continue to until the fanatic militarism that infected our government 70+ years ago loses its grip on our country and minds. Any wisp of hope he may have had vanished when he said what he did. He sure gained my respect.

Seventy years ago? You really would support the isolationism encompassed in the War Neutrality Act of the late 1930s. That would also be counter to all Presidents since FDR. Isolationism may have been appropriate before technology made the world a much smaller place; however, today with the economic interconnectedness, it is foolhardy to assume that events elsewhere have no repercussion here. Those very international ties are largely responsible for the increased standard of living both here and abroad that has occurred over the last century. One thing is clearly certain, Europe and Asia would be decidedly different if we maintained an isolationist policy over those seventy years.

bhunter 12-16-2011 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 83243)
I'm with you Finn.

Pete

I'm with both you and Finn. Paul has some good ideas, but then he morphs into this strange crazed uncle persona.

neophyte 12-16-2011 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bhunter (Post 83260)
Seventy years ago? You really would support the isolationism encompassed in the War Neutrality Act of the late 1930s. That would also be counter to all Presidents since FDR. Isolationism may have been appropriate before technology made the world a much smaller place; however, today with the economic interconnectedness, it is foolhardy to assume that events elsewhere have no repercussion here. Those very international ties are largely responsible for the increased standard of living both here and abroad that has occurred over the last century. One thing is clearly certain, Europe and Asia would be decidedly different if we maintained an isolationist policy over those seventy years.

Isolationism is as impossible as it is impractical in these times. The incessantly meddlesome policies of the militaristic fanatics that have controlled our foreign policy and led us into our current level of disrepute with the nations we haven't bought off,intimidated or generally coerced into doing our bidding is at the far and extreme other end of the spectrum. All other nations besides American and Russia had had enough war and destruction at the end of WW2, and let it go. The profit incentive here proved too addictive for those here that fattened their coffers in the global conflict. Every nation in the world knows this besides our own, it seems. In my half century on this planet, we have moved from one undeclared, criminal war to another, and Iran is next. It's pathetic and inexcusable, as well as the primary reason we're in such a state of decline.

BlueStreak 12-16-2011 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 83253)
Though he wasn't as outspoken about our overseas military adventurism as Paul, Huntsmann's response to the foreign policy questions was along the line of "we need to focus on rebuilding our country's economic might again, as economic might will translate to a strong, influential foreign policy." He also seemed to dis the GOP's first inclination toward gunboat diplomacy, but in a more nuanced, thoughtful manner. Accordingly, he stands no chance with the GOP faithful.:o

When speaking to that crowd one must limit oneself to monosyllibic words and short sentences. Hence their love affair with sloganism and sound-bites. Comparisons of oneself to St. Ronnie and "The Founders" will score points too.

Dave

finnbow 12-16-2011 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 83294)
When speaking to that crowd one must limit oneself to monosyllibic words and short sentences. Hence their love affair with sloganism and sound-bites. Comparisons of oneself to St. Ronnie and "The Founders" will score points too.

Dave

I was joking with my son as I watched it last night that we should have a drinking game based upon taking a drink every time Reagan was mentioned. It would have been one of my drunker moments.

piece-itpete 12-19-2011 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by neophyte (Post 83265)
Isolationism is as impossible as it is impractical in these times. The incessantly meddlesome policies of the militaristic fanatics that have controlled our foreign policy and led us into our current level of disrepute with the nations we haven't bought off,intimidated or generally coerced into doing our bidding is at the far and extreme other end of the spectrum. All other nations besides American and Russia had had enough war and destruction at the end of WW2, and let it go. The profit incentive here proved too addictive for those here that fattened their coffers in the global conflict. Every nation in the world knows this besides our own, it seems. In my half century on this planet, we have moved from one undeclared, criminal war to another, and Iran is next. It's pathetic and inexcusable, as well as the primary reason we're in such a state of decline.

So the US gaurenteeing regional stability in various theaters around the world has nothing to do with it? After ww2 human nature changed everywhere except here and the USSR?

That seems pretty simplistic neo.

Pete

Bigerik 12-19-2011 01:43 PM

Kinda like the middle east is stable now?

piece-itpete 12-19-2011 02:05 PM

Damsite more than if we didn't keep Saddam from building his stalinistic empire. At least everyone can use the Strait of Hormuz.

Pete

Bigerik 12-19-2011 02:21 PM

That is questionable....

finnbow 12-19-2011 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 83440)
Damsite more than if we didn't keep Saddam from building his stalinistic empire. At least everyone can use the Strait of Hormuz.

Pete

The Strait of Hormuz are controlled by Iran, not Iraq. It's 500 miles from Iraq.

piece-itpete 12-19-2011 02:38 PM

Two seperate issues illustrating one point.

Pete

Eliterg 12-26-2011 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Twodogs (Post 2110)
I like it too, and have no problem with Ron Paul whatsoever. I think he's a great American.

Agreed :)


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