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OvenMaster 06-30-2009 09:46 AM

Obama's popularity slipping??
 
Many of you guys know I live in one of the (if not THE) most liberal/Democrat states in the country. It's no surprise, then, that except for Ronald Reagan, presidential electoral votes have always been guaranteed for whoever the Democratic candidate may be.

Barack Obama has been president (as of this writing) for just five short months. Yesterday, I saw not one, but two bumper stickers that said "OBAMA SUCKS!"

If these cars were parked, it would be interesting to ask the drivers' opinions, but I'd probably get a punch in the mouth as a reply.

merrylander 06-30-2009 09:56 AM

Sore losers?

Grumpy 06-30-2009 12:17 PM

Or speaking the truth :)

Twodogs 06-30-2009 05:55 PM

I question libs quite frequently, and I've seen signs of his popularity slipping (at least for his policies). I don't think he or Pelosi are making any friends with this cap and tax crap.

Charles 06-30-2009 05:55 PM

Popularity
 
Well, he is dropping in the polls, Rasmussen in particular. I won't give the specifics as to how he's doing in my own personal poll, but it stinks.

Chas

Sandy G 06-30-2009 06:06 PM

So The Obamessiah has feet of clay, after all, just like any other politician. How about them apples ?!? On "Grouchy Old Cripple in Atlanta", Our Obamessiah is compared to a Post Turtle-You know he didn't get up there by himself, doesn't belong up there, doesn't know what to do while he IS up there, & you wonder what kind of a Dumbass put him up there to begin with...(grin)

noonereal 07-01-2009 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Twodogs (Post 2101)
I question libs quite frequently, .


Why not question an American who voted for Obama?

merrylander 07-01-2009 07:57 AM

It was really quite simple, faced with an old man approaching senility along with his trailertrash running mate or two intelligent guys I really did not have to agonize over my vote.

Grumpy 07-01-2009 12:08 PM

First time ive heard Intelligent and Biden used in the same sentence. :)

As far as yes, party men goes hes right up there near the top.

merrylander 07-01-2009 12:46 PM

Oh Joe does get carried away at times, but he really is up there on foreign affairs (ones involving governments, not women).

OvenMaster 07-01-2009 01:03 PM

I like Biden. His "gaffes" are what he's thinking. And may be even truthful. Why couldn't he have run for president?

And I had read just once (for some reason) an excellent five word assessment of Sarah Palin: George Bush in a skirt.

Charles 07-01-2009 02:30 PM

Palin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OvenMaster (Post 2127)
I like Biden. His "gaffes" are what he's thinking. And may be even truthful. Why couldn't he have run for president?

And I had read just once (for some reason) an excellent five word assessment of Sarah Palin: George Bush in a skirt.

Personally, I would have said "George Bush with tits".

Maybe that's why I kind of like her,

Chas

painter 07-01-2009 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noonereal (Post 2120)
Why not question an American who voted for Obama?



Ok...here goes...


Subject: Fwd: Why I Voted Democrat [I really didn't but somebody did]

I voted Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I've decided to marry my horse.

I voted Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn't obscene.

I voted Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.

I voted Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

I voted Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad guys will stop what they're doing because they now think we're good people.

I voted Democrat because I'm way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local police are all I need to protect me from murderers and thieves.

I voted Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday can tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.

I voted Democrat because I'm not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long as we keep all death row inmates alive

I voted Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves.. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as THEY see fit.

I voted Democrat because I believe liberal judges need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would never get their agendas past the voters..

I voted democrat because I'm sure that Left-Wing Educators have better influence on my Children's outlook on life than Parents.

I voted Democrat because my head is so firmly planted up my rear that it is unlikely that I'll ever have another personal point of view. :rolleyes:

Twodogs 07-01-2009 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 2121)
It was really quite simple, faced with an old man approaching senility along with his trailertrash running mate or two intelligent guys I really did not have to agonize over my vote.

Nice:rolleyes:

merrylander 07-02-2009 07:18 AM

Well like it or not we had just been through eight years of an unmitigated disaster of an administration. If that was not enough there were over 4000 damn good reasons for voting them out.

Grumpy 07-02-2009 09:58 AM

I did not like any of them but Obama is seriously running this country into a hole bigger then any we have ever seen. All in the name of bettering it.

JJIII 07-02-2009 12:01 PM

I couldn't have said it better than "Painter" did.

Twodogs 07-02-2009 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy (Post 2149)
I did not like any of them but Obama is seriously running this country into a hole bigger then any we have ever seen. All in the name of bettering it.

and just think, it's only been 6 months :(

painter 07-02-2009 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Grumpy (Post 2149)
I did not like any of them but Obama is seriously running this country into a hole bigger then any we have ever seen. All in the name of bettering it.


I'm wondering if we will still call the Fourth of July Independence Day next year. You know...
Public and private events celebrating the history, government, and TRADITIONS of the United States. Independence Day is the national day of the United States. Something to think about.
A woman I know spent time in a concentration camp. She said we must be crazy not to see the signs of oppression. I guess she's right.

noonereal 07-03-2009 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painter (Post 2162)
I'm wondering if we will still call the Fourth of July Independence Day next year. You know...
Public and private events celebrating the history, government, and TRADITIONS of the United States. Independence Day is the national day of the United States. Something to think about.
A woman I know spent time in a concentration camp. She said we must be crazy not to see the signs of oppression. I guess she's right.

Seems like a gross over reaction to a swing in political direction.
That being said,
I hope I am right because I know of no American that pays attention to policy that is not concerned about the debt being accumulated.
Myself I believe health care is very, very long overdo. We should have led the world in this as we have with so much. Unfortunately,
I don't know if this is the time to do it.
I'd like to see Bush imprisoned for putting us in a place where our economy might not be ready for it now that we have the political will.

Grumpy 07-03-2009 01:34 PM

I caught a little blurb on the news last night, yes there was a 2 sec blurb not about MJ or kissing OB's ass, on how 16% of Canadians come to the US for cancer treatment due to over an 8 week wait for chemo. This little bit of info came from an ex clinton advisor.

Is they're nationalize HC system perfect ? No and neither is ours but something is seriously wrong with that..

Twodogs 07-03-2009 02:01 PM

I've heard several similar stories, even on simple injuries requiring MRIs and such. So, if they have hard working, contributing members of their society, waiting up to a year for MRIs, how can our system be worse. I guarantee you that if an illegal Mexican fell off a roof in my county today, he would get the MRI before the sun went down. That's even though, he never has , nor ever will pay one red cent of income tax to this country. In short, a hospital in Canada can turn you away, and a hospital in the USA can't.

noonereal 07-03-2009 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Twodogs (Post 2207)
I've heard several similar stories, even on simple injuries requiring MRIs and such. So, if they have hard working, contributing members of their society, waiting up to a year for MRIs, how can our system be worse. I guarantee you that if an illegal Mexican fell off a roof in my county today, he would get the MRI before the sun went down. That's even though, he never has , nor ever will pay one red cent of income tax to this country. In short, a hospital in Canada can turn you away, and a hospital in the USA can't.

It seems to me we are confusing two different issues.
Immigration and illegal aliens in the US is one problem,
Americans not having health care is another.

Twodogs 07-03-2009 02:20 PM

insert American with no health care in for illegal Mexican. It still works the same way.

merrylander 07-04-2009 07:32 AM

Here we go again with the "accounts" of Canadians coming here fro treatment, guess that AMA looby is working overtime.

True story; my niece had a rare type of cancer for which there was no treatment center in Canada so they sent her to Cleveland at Canada's expense. Canadians are by and large healthier than Americans and some forms of illness simply do not justify the expense of having beds and staff just in case.

There has been a problem in Ontario and British Columbia, Ontario due to the Reform party and BC due to the Social Credit party, both a couple of Republican wannabees. They wanted the Single Payer plan to cover their hospitals, forgetting totally that Single Payer is a health insurance plan and they no more cover tose costa than does US Healthcare or Aetna, et. al.

When the folks in those two provinces wake up and change their government they will be better off. It was fine in Ontario when the Big Blue machine was running things.

Oh BTW, Blue in Canada is for Conservatives, red is for Liberals, sort of the reverse of here.

So who would you rather have running health care, some civil servant that you can fire and who only makes $150,000 a year, or some grossly overpaid CEO who is more interested in profit than your health and who even his shareholders can't fire.

Grumpy 07-04-2009 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 2256)
So who would you rather have running health care, some civil servant that you can fire and who only makes $150,000 a year, or some grossly overpaid CEO who is more interested in profit than your health and who even his shareholders can't fire.

I think grossly overpaid CEO's and politicians are one in the same. Hate to say it but I see no way to make a nationalized heath care system work well and for the people of the US. Someone be it the gov or private industry will sock it too us one way or another.

merrylander 07-04-2009 03:06 PM

They already are, another of my wife's prescriptions just jumped $9.99 in one month.

Brett A 07-18-2009 02:30 PM

Of course Obama's popularity is slipping. It barely had anywhere to go but down.
I know so many people who projected so many of their own hopes and values on the guy that of course he's going to let people down. I don't see a story here.

Grumpy 07-18-2009 07:57 PM

Did I want to see the guy walk on water ? We all wanted what we feel is better for our country. Unfortunately whats better for some aint for others.

OvenMaster 07-19-2009 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Brett A (Post 2733)
Of course Obama's popularity is slipping. It barely had anywhere to go but down.
I know so many people who projected so many of their own hopes and values on the guy that of course he's going to let people down. I don't see a story here.

I still remember seeing a video clip on television soon after the election, where some black woman was saying that now that Obama was elected, she wasn't going to have any more troubles with her mortgage or paying for gas for her car.

I just stared at the screen, wondering how on earth people can be so stupid. I'd love to know who told her this, and how she's faring today.:cool:

Twodogs 07-19-2009 10:53 AM

Kansas City has been spared much of the unemployment woes of the rest of the country, but I swear, every person that I know personally who has lost their job in the last few months is a lib who voted for Obama (every single one). I always want to ask them how that hope and change thing is working out, but of course I don't. It sucks when anyone that wants to work can't find any.:(

noonereal 07-19-2009 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Twodogs (Post 2760)
Kansas City has been spared much of the unemployment woes of the rest of the country, but I swear, every person that I know personally who has lost their job in the last few months is a lib who voted for Obama (every single one). I always want to ask them how that hope and change thing is working out, but of course I don't. It sucks when anyone that wants to work can't find any.:(

My guess is that you are drawing a conclusion that people are losing their jobs as a result of the Obama policies. Correct?
Can you offer some connection?
Thanks

Brett A 07-19-2009 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noonereal (Post 2762)
My guess is that you are drawing a conclusion that people are losing their jobs as a result of the Obama policies. Correct?
Can you offer some connection?
Thanks

Yes, I'd like to hear how that's connected also.

Twodogs 07-19-2009 05:01 PM

I personally know one "bigshot" (I won't say the corporation) who has at least once, picked the layoffs by Obama bumper stickers in the parking lot. He said "Well, they wanted change".:D

merrylander 07-20-2009 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twodogs (Post 2767)
I personally know one "bigshot" (I won't say the corporation) who has at least once, picked the layoffs by Obama bumper stickers in the parking lot. He said "Well, they wanted change".:D

Which only reinforces my opinion of most businessmen.

Grumpy 07-20-2009 12:36 PM

As a business owner in Michigan the rest of the country is now feeling what we have known for years. Thanks to our democratic gubner who instituted much higher biz taxes years ago. Tax the shit out of businesses and chase them out of Michigan ? Lovely policy if you asked me

I only hope that Obama tries to stop the hemorrhage of jobs that past presidents allowed, and in some cases encouraged, in all states.

OvenMaster 07-21-2009 05:45 PM

Too late. I think China got all our jobs that were once in manufacturing.

Fast_Eddie 07-21-2009 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by painter (Post 2136)
I voted Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

Curious- what do you think of Ward Churchill?

painter 07-22-2009 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie (Post 2864)
Curious- what do you think of Ward Churchill?

The line you quoted as mine was part of a forward i received. Should have made that clear...sorry. I had never heard Ward Churchill's name previously but looked him up...
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/i...asp?indid=1835

The whole campaign was about Obama and Palin. When Hilary was eliminated...everyone focused on gossip and lies. We need to get back to intelligence and morality in Washington. When was the last time you heard a child say he wanted to be president when he grew up? As for Ward...enough radicals...already!!!

merrylander 07-22-2009 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by OvenMaster (Post 2858)
Too late. I think China got all our jobs that were once in manufacturing.


Probably why Wally World's purchases from there have tripled.


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