How much crap
 

do we have to take from these little bastards before we vaporize their asses? I know, we can't do that sort of thing, but I get tired of hearing about how they are gonna kick America's ass. :mad:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090625/...koreas_nuclear

fire shower of nuclear retaliation my ass

What response?
 

If the North Koreans (or anyone else) managed to hit the US with a nuclear weapon, I don't see any way the administration could avoid hitting back, no matter what the consequences. But what if the North Koreans tried and failed? Would the attempt alone justify a nuclear response, with the possibility of China being drawn in?

I think as long as we follow international law we will not have to worry about drawing anyone else in. I believe we will with Obie at the helm.

This situation somewhat reminds me of one of those wonderful old MGM cartoons of the '40s, w/Kim Yuck Foo playing the Bad Widdle Boy who is teasing & annoying a Lion, until the very end of the cartoon, when the Lion is laying there w/a satisfied grin on his face, & the voice of the Widdle Boy from INSIDE the Lion goin'-"I been a Bad Boy..." Kim needs to understand that he is messin' w/a VERY big lion, indeed...

It is going to be interesting to watch if he fires that missile toward Hawaii and we shoot it down. Then I suppose he will rant and rave like Dinnerjacket in Iran and demand an apology. Obama should give him the finger.

I honestly dont want to see anything happen to provoke a response from us but IF this scenario did happen id love to see the one rob described play out.

Unfortunately we would probably just apologize and look like the pussys we have become.

That sleeping giant Japan awoke on Dec 7th 1941 had its balls cut off and given to the UN so long ago he no longer remembers what they look like....

When did this happen?

I think a world poll would put us near the top of the list for being aggressive.

I think those three pirates would argue the point if they could.:rolleyes:

Sadly quoted for truth.:(

The Clinton Administration.

Take a look at your history books kiddies, Republican administrations don't exactly have a great track record when it comes to winning fights. It was Congress and the GOP led CIA that screwed up Bill's shot at bin Laden. If the missiles had been launched when originally planned bin Laden would be history. Then Rummy screwed up at Tora Bora . . .

Advisers or not Bill is the one who should shoulder that responsibility.

So who should shoulder the responsibility for ignoring all the warnings about bin Laden prior to 9/11? Who is to blame for ignoring FBI field operatives warnings about foreign arabs taking flying lessons? I think there is plenty to go around.

I realize the Clintons are about as popular as skunks at a picnic (Mellon Scaife sure got his money's worth) but the budget was balance, my 401k was worth something and new jobs were created. We are currently now just where we were in 2000 and still slipping.

The problem I have with clinton is folks idolize him for financial reasons but no one holds him accountable for any of the middle east which after all is one of the main stepping stones to being where we are now.

You need to check out some other investments. I was able to get every penny back and then some, and with very low risk stuff. There's a lot of good opportunitys out there right now (think stimulus cash).;)

Fallout?
 

If North Korea was hit by a nuclear weapon could the fallout reach China? I know nothing of weather patterns, but if prevailing winds did that, how would China respond?

I don't understand what your question has to do with my post?:confused:

What if???
 

Originally Posted by noonereal:
I think as long as we follow international law we will not have to worry about drawing anyone else in. I believe we will with Obie at the helm.

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Originally Posted by Combwork:
If North Korea was hit by a nuclear weapon could the fallout reach China? I know nothing of weather patterns, but if prevailing winds did that, how would China respond

Collateral damage. TwoDogs original post painted a "what if?" scenario; "How much crap do we have to take from these little bastards before we vaporize their asses?". Question may have been rhetorical but it's a point that's been made before and it raises an interesting side issue; how hard can 'we' go in response to a perceived or actual threat without considering damage to third parties and the consequences of that damage? Let's look at another "what if" scenario. What if the Mexican government fell, a hard line junta took over and proceeded to take the piss out of everyone? One way or another it went too far and got hit with a single nuclear missile. Maybe not a big one, but irrespective of how accurately it was targeted, how would the USA react if the fallout drifted in over Texas?

but if we followed international law, would not China be part of the decision making process? If we were attacked directly so that we needed to respond directly China would be notified of exactly what our intentions were.
Hence I don't think our actions would drawn in anyone else.
If we pull and Iraq in that part of the world then your question is a concern.

My understanding is that Tridents can be equipped with non nuclear warheads just as cruise missiles are. Of course I still wish thay had not stopped development on the cobalt bomb, that could solve the mideast problem.

Don't you mean the Neutron bomb?

The cobalt bomb was designed to eliminate all life on earth.


Anyone ever wonder if this was built and is classified?

I don't think that works........
 

Notifying China of what our intentions were isn't making them part of the decision making process; it's informing them of a decision already made. If the decision was made to hit NK with nuclear missiles in response to an attack on the USA, China couldn't prevent it but it could react if thousands of its people died because of it. It's not a question of how could they react, it's how would they most likely react.

It's interesting. I grew up at a time when nuclear missiles were thought of as a deterrent; if the deterrent failed they'd have not served their purpose. But now we could be up against our worst nightmare; trying to face off countries lead by people who as long as they think they have an escape route don't care what happens to their own countries or worse still, the genuine fruitcakes who don't care if they die as long as they take the 'Great Saten' (plus its allies) with them.

The problem is if these freaking lunatics in these small nations like NK, do something like send a bomb to Hawaii, all we will do, because we are a nation of bleeding heart maybe we can talk to them about it, pansy asses.

We can't respond and bomb their asses off the face of the earth, because that wouldn't be nice. That would be inhumane. We might hurt their feelings.

When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor the whole country got up and said they will pay for this, and they did, and so did many of our men and women in the fight to stop them.

Now, when our enemies kill thousands in this country, we invade another country some think was totally unrelated to the 9/11 bombings, get mired in BS, blame everyone for not seeing the signs, and our sons and daughters die, and no one pays but us.

I used to say that if someone did damage to our homeland we would all stand up and scream for revenge, but I think I was wrong.

We flew our flags for a few months, rallyed behind our leaders, mourned the dead, watched families grieve, and eventually let it fade away into the recesses of our minds, until the next televised Senate Sub Committee Meeting on the next revelation that someone else lied to us.

That's about the size of it I reckon. Sad as hell.:(

Uh-Huh... What a shame.

A deterrent only works on rational people. And once the cow's out of the barn, we're gonna play hell gettin' it back in.

I can see mushroom clouds in the future, always have. Nature of the beast.

Chas

:confused: Are you suggesting that Iraq had something to do with 911?

The shame of it is that when those sons and daughters come home in a casket they sneak them in in the dead of night. Britain and Canada greet them at the airport, the route of the hearses are lined with people in silent honour, police and firemen stand and salute the cortege. We need to be reminded of the awful cost, at least Jim Lehrer silently shows their pictures at the end of his newscasts, Florence and me have simply sat and wept at the waste of beautiful young, and not so young, lives.

I have seen that on the News Hour. It is just gut wrenching to see that. I get a lump the size of a golf ball in my throat when I see that.

Silently they lay in there graves, while their families are tormented by the grief of losing a loved one. God Bless them all.

The idea of the cobalt bomb was to do an air burst upwind of the area. The radioactive cobalt has a certain half-life so that by the time the wind has blown it over the area all the people eventually die but once the radio activity is gone the infrastructure is still there, albeit a bit dusty.

If NK's idiot leader does actually send a missile at Hawaii it is a quite simple matter to take out all his launch sites with cruise missiles and conventional warheads. It would not surprise me one bit that there are CM ships afloat with all the co-ordinates already programmed.

Why everyone seems to think a Democratic president would be a pushover is simply more GOP mythology, Wilson, Roosevelt and Truman did a pretty good job near as I recall. I'm sure the Somalian pirates don't think the current one is a pushover.

Of course the country I came from never lost a war so maybe I am predjudiced.

because agenda is more important than fact.

The study of mythology was one of my hobbies some years back, it's a wonder that did not make me register as a Republican.:D