Left Wing Wacko takes hostages
 

He's mean, he's green and he's making a scene!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38957020...me_and_courts/

"Nothing is more important than saving ... the Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels. The humans? The planet does not need humans.”

Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!!! Any guesses as to this dude's favorite movie?

Wacko yes, left wing - how do you jump to that conclusion?

I'm sure he voted for McCain. :p

Pete

Left wing? Does this sound like a left winger to you? Here's a taste:

5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)

Just sayin'

John

Let's see. He's big into the animal rights agenda, he says he experienced a "wakening" after watching Al Gore's movie, wants human sterlization and fertility control ala Communist China, wants to combat global warming, calls the US economy "dangerous"...

Doesn't sound like a Tea Party guy to me. :)

I think you find the kernel of # 5 in the wackiness of #2. Yup. Lefty.

Other parts of his "manifesto" do, including the part I posted. This guy is so all over the map that he'll probably be a Rorscach test for all sides. They'll see their favorite boogey man all over this guy. No doubt FOX and MSNBC will be helpful in this.

Let's just say that he's a nut. There's no point in trying to hang him around the neck of those with whom we have political differences. There's too much of that as it is but I have to say that, as a card-carrying, dues-paying member of Left Wing Whackos, Int'l, he ain't one of us.

John

I chose #5 because it has elements of Whackery, both Left and Right. As I said in another post, he's just a whacko. I pray everyone, including him, gets out of this mess unhurt.

John

I'd go with Dr. Doolittle.

Come on guys, this is just like that nut job that flew his Cesna into a building a few months ago. Everyone was trying as hard as they could to say he was a Tea Party guy. What if he was? I haven't seen a lot of them comiting acts of domestic terror.

Same with this guy. What if he has an Obama sticker on his Prius and contributes to the DNC campaign fund? What would that tell us? It would tell us that *this* crazy dude is a liberal. So?

Sounds like he had guns. So eveyone who has guns is a lunitic. He also watches cable TV. That proves that all people who watch cable TV are nut cases.

Give it a rest guys. This is stupid.

I'd say more left than right, but full-fledged wacko in any case - a dead one at that. I have not one ounce of sympathy for a guy that goes into a building with a gun and a bomb. As for his family, I extend my sympathies.

I think in cases like his, it's a matter of his pathology searching for a cause. I hope the lions, tigers and bears sleep well tonight.

I have a lot of sympathy for people like that. There must be terrible demons in their brain to drive them to that sort of desperate and deranged action. I wouldn't like to be them for one second.

That being said, sympathy is one thing. Tolerance is another. When someone does something like Lee did they need to be stopped before they can cause harm to another person. If that means a sharpshooter takes them out so be it. Quick and effective.

Me too.

John

While those who are most concerned in protecting our habitat are generally liberals, that does not make his statement about protecting animals left-wing. The right would likely argue that preserving particular species or wildlife areas should yield to economic progress, liberals tend to see value in things that can not be measured in dollars and cents. I sincerely doubt that many committed leftists value the lives of animals above the lives of human beings, or subscribe to the idea that the planet should be evacuated of humans. Frankly, I don't ascribe such ideas to the right either. The guy is nuts.

Regards,

D-Ray

I noticed he was Asian. I'm just sayin'. I'll be keeping an eye on *those* people now.

I think one of the things which separates Left from Right is the way in which we perceive the value of things. The Left tends to look at the intrinsic, immutable value of a thing in its own right. The Right, on the other hand, would tend to view that same thing in terms of its relative value, its worth as a thing to be exploited, not to be valued for its own sake. The best example of this I can think of is the way in which people regard our planet.

John

Yeah, an Asian-American who hated "immigrant pollution". :confused:

John

When it comes to the environment, it's the left who generally argues for a conservative approach. In other words, we caution against unknown consequences of failing to preserve a species or a habitat, or other aspect of nature that could be permanently lost without stopping and taking a step back to see where we are going.

Cap and trade appear to be an uneasy mingling of the principles of environmental preservation and principles of capitalism. The goal of the program is environmental, but the tools used are clearly capitalist. The energy users who develop and implement the most efficient system of preventing carbon emissions are rewarded by being able to sell off their carbon rights - the get paid for finding ways to make the least negative impact on the environment. The conservatives will be able to see the cost of emissions in dollars and cents - the measure of value with which they are most comfortable.

Of course the discussion of the general political leanings of environmentalists is not exclusive. There are plenty of otherwise conservative people who see the value of preservation and are serious about taking action. There are probably some on the left who would see the opportunity to engage in economic development for poor communities to be worth some amount of environmental degradation.

Regards,

D-Ray

So, those on the left can't enjoy baseball, because someone exploited a tree to make a baseball bat?

Exactly. Just like those on the right don't use highways because they're a waste of taxpayer dollars.

isn't a tree renewable?

I understand that unbridled capitalism just destroys a forest but with government controls we can have all the baseball bts we need without destroying the forest.

just sayin' :)

Well, he's dead now.

You said it better than I did. Agreed.

BTW, I have several friends and a neighbor on the Montgomery County SWAT team. These dudes are good and extremely well trained & professional (unlike their counterparts in Prince Georges County). I used to deer hunt with a couple of them. In fact, I may see one of them at the pool tomorrow. His insights may prove interesting.

Of course not but your dismissive response does a pretty good job of confirming my original suggestion.

John

I'd be interested to learn what he has to say. And, yes, those PG county cops have been real cowboys for as long as I can remember. They were horrible in the '60s when I lived there. So were the Arlington County cops. Bunch of redneck assholes.

John

I asked a question to clarify a pretty broad brush statement that didn't make much sense to me. A question doesn't constitute a response.

Okay, let's use the tree and the bat. It's a fairly useful metaphor for my point.

An environmentalist, who I'm sure would be a Left Winger in your eyes, sees the tree and the bat. He sees that the tree qua tree has a value intrinsically and even that it has a "right" to exist - or rather that trees collectively do - simply because as part of creation (Creation?) they have innate and intrinsic value.

He also sees that a tree can have extrinsic value as a source of raw material for baseball bats. That being said, I believe that if the environmentalist were to learn that the production of baseball bats was going to spell the end of trees he would start to rethink this whole baseball bat thing because he would place a priority on intrinsicity.

Now, let's consider an industrialist, whom I would consider a Right Winger, and his regard for trees. I believe he sees them only as future baseball bats with a value determined solely by their value as a raw material. They have no value in any other sense. If he were faced with the end of trees he'd begin calculating how many bats or years of production he could get out of the raw material before they were gone. That way he could begin planning his next venture. Or he might just plow ahead, not thinking about the future until he made his last bat.

We see this mentality at work all the time. In its most basic form we see it in cattle ranching in the Amazon Basin or charcoal production in Madagascar. Both practices are spelling the end of the native forests in these places.

By the way, I'm only half serious about this. It's fun to try to make the case, though, and far preferable to trying to decide whether this poor guy in Maryland was a Right Winger or a Left Winger.

John

LET'S JUST CUT TO THE QUICK, RIGHT WING NUTS ARE JUST PRIMAL AND CAN'T SEE PAST THEIR IMMEDIATE NEED. tHE LEFT IS MORE CEREBRAL, FURTHER ALONG ON THE EVOLUTIONARY SCALE. :D

So, the only reason that the Forestry Industry is by far and away the largest planter of trees is that the what to assure continuity of raw materials for production? Henry Ford was, then, just an exception to the rule, by acting on the belief that land use was pivotal (his legacy is still in practice today)? How are the entrepreneurs and industrialists who are investing in renewable and green energy sources reconciled with your above statement?

And Theodore Kaczynski would be the pinnacle of this evolutionary scale? :D

It's possible to take the tree metaphor too far - and I think I have. I think you get the drift, however, and can think of your own examples of industrial ravaging of the planet. One example would be Exxon Mobil's ongoing destruction of the Niger Delta. Another would be Haliburton's "fracking" operations.

Henry Ford was indeed an exception. He wanted to have his auto manufacturing as self-contained as possible. To that end he had his own iron mines and even his own rubber plantations in Brazil. I'm not aware, however of anything especially "green" about those operations. He was quite a visionary in many ways. (Of course, he was also quite the SOB.)

I think those industrialists engaged in renewables must be those few Left Wing industrialists, the exceptions that prove the rule. ;)

Look, I told you I wasn't sold on this idea. ;)

John

No, you didn't. You intentionally asserted an undeniably extreme position as a response to his post in an effort to make him look like he was saying something he didn't say. That's all fine and dandy, but don't pretend like you did otherwise. If you were honestly confused by his straightforward post you're not nearly as smart as I thought you were.

Hell, it's what he always does. I hardly even notice any more.

John

Let's see, from all the posts I can then conclude that if you are concerned about the environment you are a left winger but if you don't give a damn about the environment you are a right winger. Works for me.:rolleyes:

BTW the sole reason the lumber industry plants trees is survival, and they plant them mainly because they practice clear cutting and that sucks.

OK, forget the baseball bat. How about the marine fisheries industries? They succeeded in wiping out the codfishing industry on George's Bank, the most prolific fishery in the world. They also wiped out the oyster fishery in the Chesapeake (with help from pollution from the agricultural industry). Then they proceeded to try and wipeout the blue crab and striped bass fisheries in the Chesapeake.

You'll never guess who saved the blue crab and striped bass fisheries in the bay. Government!:eek: (with the commercial fishing industry kicking and screaming the entire time). They had a hell of a time keeping Virginia from dredging up female crabs during the winter in their spawning areas though.:confused:

:eek: ...

Yes, I did. I may not have telegraphed my intention too well, however. Sometimes it helps to do a "reductio ad absurdum" to illustrate when something doesn't quite make sense.

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I've never claimed to be the sharpest knife in the drawer, either! :D

Fordlandia
 

My own mention, and relative ignorance, of Ford's rubber production efforts led me to fire up the Google machine. What I learned speaks volumes about industrial imperialism, American arrogance and indifference to environmental ignorance.

John

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