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barbara 11-19-2024 08:20 AM

Mass Deportations
 
I do think illegal border crossings need to be addressed, but, my gut tells me that mass deportation is not the best way to deal with the issue.
So, I looked back at history when Eisenhower tried mass deportation to get some insight into how things worked back then.

Here is some information:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ration-wetback

https://www.history.com/news/operati...54-deportation

Oerets 11-19-2024 09:18 AM

If there were to be a penalty imposed onto the owners of businesses that employed and housed illegal immigrants. One with serious fines up to and including seizure of businesses and property. Imprisonment for repeat offenders also a option.

With no jobs no roof they might self deport. Or stop coming all together.

Noogies 11-19-2024 10:25 AM

Good topic for a thread. My own view is deport those who run afoul of the law ASAP and a path to citizenship for the others.

The same bipartisan border plan Trump quashed in order to campaign on the issue should be adequate to slow further influx to a trickle. Of course, Trump being Trump, he'll have to call it something else, like "The Great American Purity Plan".

Human 11-19-2024 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Oerets (Post 432956)
If there were to be a penalty imposed onto the owners of businesses that employed and housed illegal immigrants. One with serious fines up to and including seizure of businesses and property.

Not gonna happen.

My guess is very few will actually be deported due to the cost involved and the fact that businesses depend on this quasi-slave labor force.

Oerets 11-19-2024 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Human (Post 432959)
Not gonna happen.

My guess is very few will actually be deported due to the cost involved and the fact that businesses depend on this quasi-slave labor force.

Gotta have somewhere that is willing to take them back also.........

Noogies 11-19-2024 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Oerets (Post 432960)
Gotta have somewhere that is willing to take them back also.........

Not really. Just parachute them into their country of origin. :D

finnbow 11-19-2024 02:49 PM

If Trump's track record on the border wall is any clue (~50 miles of new wall), he may succeed in deporting a couple percent of the ~12 million of illegal aliens and claim success. He probably won't deport significantly more than Obama did (upwards of 500k per year). Unlike Obama, however, Trump will be as loud and cruel as possible. His base demands no less.

Dondilion 11-19-2024 05:47 PM

Millions of Americans of working age have voluntarily withdrawn from the work force. Additionally those who want to work are not drawn to the typical work of the undocumented. There are tremendous forces in the economy acting against mass deportation.
I believe Trump will just make some noise, take some photo ops and move on. Yet he seems to have a special thing against Haitians.

The irony is the president who did not make much noise deported a record number of people.

finnbow 11-19-2024 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 432970)
Millions of Americans of working age have voluntarily withdrawn from the work force. Additionally those who want to work are not drawn to the typical work of the undocumented. There are tremendous forces in the economy acting against mass deportation.
I believe Trump will just make some noise, take some photo ops and move on. Yet he seems to have a special thing against Haitians.

The irony is the president who did not make much noise deported a record number of people.

Pro tip: It ain't just Haitians. It's Latinos, Muslims and Caribbean or African Blacks. He's an equal opportunity racist.

Chicks 11-19-2024 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 432970)
Millions of Americans of working age have voluntarily withdrawn from the work force.

From that old commie organization, the US Chamber of Commerce:

Quote:

The Great Resignation worked its way into our vocabulary as the shift of our labor force started to become apparent—and the hashtag #quittok even went viral as social media users posted about quitting their jobs in search of more free time or better opportunities.

However, the story is more complex than individuals leaving their job. In fact, a more appropriate moniker for the high quit rates over the past few years is the "Great Reshuffle." More than 44 million Americans quit their jobs in 2023, and 3.4 million quit in January 2024 alone. However, the hiring rate has outpaced the quit rate since November 2020. This means Americans are seeking – and finding – better opportunities with new employers and in new occupations and industries.

https://www.uschamber.com/workforce/[email protected].

Dondilion 11-19-2024 07:16 PM

Basically there is a labor shortage. From the Chicks' linked article - post 10 - the labor force participation rate has dropped since prepandemic level and it further states that had the rate remained the same there would have been 2 million more people in the workforce.

barbara 11-20-2024 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Oerets (Post 432956)
If there were to be a penalty imposed onto the owners of businesses that employed and housed illegal immigrants. One with serious fines up to and including seizure of businesses and property. Imprisonment for repeat offenders also a option.

With no jobs no roof they might self deport. Or stop coming all together.

This reasonable suggestion has been floated around for years. I don't know for sure, but, suspect that these businesses donate generously to the re election campaigns of congressmen who have not acted on implementing penalties for hiring and housing illegals.

RickeyM 11-20-2024 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by barbara (Post 432955)
I do think illegal border crossings need to be addressed, but, my gut tells me that mass deportation is not the best way to deal with the issue.
So, I looked back at history when Eisenhower tried mass deportation to get some insight into how things worked back then.

Here is some information:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ration-wetback

https://www.history.com/news/operati...54-deportation

When it doesn't work out like he promised in his campaign he'll just blame Biden/Harris and Democrats in general. He knows his worshippers will believe it.

barbara 11-20-2024 02:08 PM

Of course. Trump will blame anyone he can when or if it does not work out as planned.

Oerets 11-20-2024 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by barbara (Post 432988)
Of course. Trump will blame anyone he can when or if it does not work out as planned.


More then likely in all accounting he will claim victory. Stating low number at the border, doctoring the information and statics reported.

A few show trials and news reports will be all it takes to convince his cult of his claims. We will still have them here and entering just no one will care as much now.

Rajoo 11-20-2024 05:06 PM

A setup for deportation is already in the works.

Texas offers 1,400-acre ranch to Trump to use as part of mass deportation plan

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In West Texas, the state bought a 353,785-acre ranch that borders Big Bend National Park for an undisclosed price. Texas Land Commissioner Dawn Buckingham said in a statement there are a variety of leasing options for the land, including for hunting, agriculture, mineral and soil carbon sequestration, a process that stores carbon dioxide from the atmosphere in soil.
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EL PASO, Texas – After years of Texas being the first stop for people illegally crossing the border, Lone Star State officials are volunteering to let President-elect Donald Trump use a state ranch as the last place immigrants set foot on American soil before being forcibly deported.On Tuesday, Texas Land Commissioner Dawn Buckingham offered Trump a 1,400-acre ranch near the border in South Texas to host a mass deportation facility. Buckingham bought the ranch earlier this year, she said, because the previous owner refused to let Texas build a border wall across it.
Of course, a 1.5 mile wall will be built.

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/10...y-border-wall/

https://www.statesman.com/story/news...n/76447857007/

Enophile 11-20-2024 05:17 PM

Call me when you see white people picking strawberries and lettuce in 14 dollars a head.

Arkansas has dipped into offering this sort of "career opportunity" to 14 year olds working in chicken plants to enrich Tyson. Mass deportation might make these incredible "opportunities" available to more future MAGA kids.

Keep 'em stupid and aggrieved seems to work.

RickeyM 11-21-2024 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Enophile (Post 432991)
Arkansas has dipped into offering this sort of "career opportunity" to 14 year olds working in chicken plants to enrich Tyson. Mass deportation might make these incredible "opportunities" available to more future MAGA kids.

Keep 'em stupid and aggrieved seems to work.

http://www.politicalchat.org/attachm...3&d=1732164858

It's beginning to make sense.

RickeyM 11-21-2024 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 432990)
A setup for deportation is already in the works.

Texas offers 1,400-acre ranch to Trump to use as part of mass deportation plan





Of course, a 1.5 mile wall will be built.

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/10...y-border-wall/

https://www.statesman.com/story/news...n/76447857007/

I have questions. Where did the funds for this acquisition come from? Where are the funds for this "let's kick out the migrants" operation to come from?

finnbow 11-21-2024 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 432990)
A setup for deportation is already in the works.

Texas offers 1,400-acre ranch to Trump to use as part of mass deportation plan





Of course, a 1.5 mile wall will be built.

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/10...y-border-wall/

https://www.statesman.com/story/news...n/76447857007/

Be the first in the neighborhood to host a concentration camp!


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