Democratic Party Reflects?
 

Some like Rahm Emmanuel as the new DNC leader. (grin)
Apparently the Squad aren't enthusiastic about that idea... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...d778acca&ei=90

Nice! Nice! AOC is on the ball.

She is not waiting for things to set.

I had a good laugh...fish heads in the mail.

One thing I think the Democrat party did wrong was they let the Republicans define who they are. Once you let others define you, you're like Sisyphus and that stone just keeps getting heavier and the hill keeps getting steeper..

Most certainly and more importantly (imo) what they are.

Look at the way Trump and the Trumplicans lambasted Biden and his administration and Biden's best no response was a Jackie Gleason imitation.

The last three who lost, Gore, HRC and Harris could not convince a group of KG kids that Big Bird is their friend.

Simply put, the Democrats have no messaging at all and why they did well during Clinton and Obama administrations, these two were terrific orators and did their own messaging. The entire DNC brain trust needs to resign en masse.

Here is a very good column.

Donald Trump Is Already Starting to Fail

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/o...z-hegseth.html

An article designed to push early the failure mantra.

I see the issue with the Democrats being an old one. Where a uncomfortable truth with sacrifices no matter how much is the needed to be believed. Will lesson it being undertaken.
A lie that contradicts told long enough by many will be accepted as the gospel truth. Until to late it seems again and again throughout human history.
Again tearing down an idea is always easier then building one up.

And, the denial continues.

“Many voters headed to the polls convinced that border crossings are higher than ever before (they are not), violent crime rates are rising (untrue) and inflation is soaring (ditto). We will never know how much this garbage may have swayed voters…”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/20/o...ial-media.html

It is starting to sink in with me how post-truth we are, and what that means.

So the voters either 1) buy the garbage, or 2) see smart people as all liars and chiselers, so they vote for the dumb guy, or 3) both.

How many is the question. Too many is the answer.

What is disturbing is that you think the New York Times is the truth.

Old saying, figures don't lie but liars figure.

Major cities quit reporting crimes to the FBI data base. So, who knows what the crime numbers are.

People believe what they want to believe, that is their truth.

You think you are immune to it ?

Democratic Party Reflects?
 

The 3 points made in the NYT excerpt are factual and I fully grasp that MAGA gets confused and upset by facts.

I am immune from the belief that a sexual predator, lifelong fraudster, convicted felon and wannabe dictator driven by narcissistic rage to destroy the criminal justice system, DoD, the intel community, and medical research is a good thing for American democracy.

Dumb people want a dumb guy to vote for, smart people want a smart guy to vote for. It's sort of unusual for the country to split on this line, but we've managed to do it.

Even if you're immune to it, the dumb guy won. But I'm not convinced you're immune to it.

The "trust but verify" requirement is not longer applicable to those who live in social media.

"A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World While the Truth Is Putting On Its Shoes", (unknown origin).

If I claim that a steam locomotive is a clean burning engine as the name implies, how many would challenge me? I will just keep repeating "its a steam engine, it uses steam to generate power" over and over and over........

You realize you are in third place now behind Republicans and Independents.

There is a reason for that.

Oh, it's we are all stupid.

Sort of like pissing on the people's leg and telling them it is raining.

Over, and over, and over

Like the 2020 election was stolen because of widespread voter fraud?

I think it's largely a failure on the part of the Dems to recognize just who and what they're dealing with. I was watching (CNN?) and some liberal talking head was professing outrage at one of Trump's circumventions of (or outright disregard for) a government norm or tradition and I thought, "You just don't get it, do you? This is what they DO. That's the whole point of his administration and you should really quit your whinging and start thinking of ways to deal".

The people, after seeing up close one of the guys, recoiled in consternation. A "coup" was enacted. But lo and behold the guy is still in charge or is he?

You are so inexact in your thinking and use of words sometimes. Lots of people reacted in lots of ways, so generalizing that to 'the people' is grandiose rhetoric. Describing the many reactions as one emotionally-evocative 'recoiling' is inaccurate and manipulative. Calling the nomination change a 'coup' is a ridiculous distortion of the word. Harris was the legitimate choice of party delegates empowered to make that choice. And Biden is 'still' in charge because he absolutely is supposed to be, because there was no coup. Sheesh!

I am ventilating the complexity of certainty. Sheesh is the correct response. (Note coup is in parentheses).

Full of sheesh seems more appropriate, my Rus friend...

DonQ I am still waiting to see or hear from the formidable Dem representative Jim Clyburn.

We have heard from him recently, on Fox on Nov 18th specifically:

The Gentleman seems insightful and well-spoken to me.

Quote sourced from Mediaite.

Thanks! Good to know my favorite Dem is still active.
Mr. Clyburn is at times a real clue in the thrust of national politics and especially that of the Dems.

Actually, it is just more name calling and no explanation of how or why their policies were enacted or how or why the Trump policies are going to hurt them.

Which is why every demographic including his swung .

Hello zerojunk I was looking for him to be very vocal/active in the recent campaign. Rep Clyburn is very influential with a very solid block of Democrats. He was the politician who helped Biden get over the hump at critical time in Binden"s first attempt to become the nominee.
I might be wrong but I got the impression he was sitting out the recent campaign. Probably due to his age, or probably he did not like the fact that his man was pushed. Note I am not using the word "coup".

Or could it be that Biden needed Clyburn for the Black vote and Harris didn't (or at least thought she didn't)? Also, Clyburn was all about helping Biden with the South Carolina primary because he was behind at that point and needed a jolt. Because of the circumstances, Harris didn't need to win any primaries.

I think democrats are over thinking king the reasons why they lost.
Too many voters fell victim to Trumps lies and lost their moral compass during the process.

Clyburn made Biden president in exchange for making a "black" woman VP. My understanding anyway. Otherwise it may have been quite likely Bernie Sanders.

So, whatever. Biden had dementia shortly. Harris was a terrible candidate.

If Michelle had wanted to do it, she would be President Elect.

A thought occurred to me. Dump got in in 2016 because a lot of voters did not think he could win but just stayed home rather than pull the lever for Hillary. She garnered enough votes to win the popular vote but that damn Electoral College... Here in 2024 did something similar happen to prevent Harris from winning the election? We know trump's worshippers would crawl over broken glass to vote for him but did enough people in key areas simply sit this one out? Is that the real elephant in the room?
Just a thought.

It was tough for me, Rickey.

I pulled the lever for Harris, even though I didn't want the first 'First Man of the United States' to be an individual with 'Jewish' heritage.

(The new found, shear hatred of racists is still pure HATRED.)

I knew my vote would be tossed out, because I live in 'Red State'.

We have a Democrat Governor, Laura Kelly. I have Sharice Davids in the House of Representatives, I guess my vote counted on that level, because she won. But at the presidential level, my vote was tossed (and I knew it was going be tossed). I was born in the State of Kansas. I'm going to die here, why it's Red, I have no idea.

It's a bizarre world. I love the actor, Denzal Washington. He's not in denial about being a racist.

I don't hate Jewish people, I just can't believe .06% of the world's population 'control' everything.

You asking if Democrats stayed home because of what was happening in the supermarket, or they did not like political intrigue involved in the Obama/Biden/Kamala matrix, or, or,....

Massive NONSENSE.
Your post #33 reeks of antisemitism.

Since we don't have a like button.

Trump did "ok" for people to wear their hate on their sleeve.

They don't control everything, with or without quotes. Their influence is outsized, because their culture of some Jewish groups got good at meritocracy early. They promoted their smart people. They have been assimilating fast into US culture. The anti-jews, in almost any dimension, are the Christian Nationalists, but they aren't worth supporting on this basis, they are if anything more totally pro-Israel than our Jews.

Don't be anti-semetic. No group is worthy of hate.

Thank you, DonQ. All schmaltz aside, you're a good egg and a credit to this forum.

Yes, he did.

I'm sure there was more than a couple of reasons. I'm just speculating about a possible one. It could temper that "the Dems gone too far left" narrative.