First Presidential Debate '24
 

Anybody watching?

I tuned in about 25 minutes ago. Same old lies from the convicted felon. Joe's not speaking as sharply as I've seen him but the MAGA will still lie and say he was doped up. Of course no MAGA's will change their minds. Hopefully and undecideds will see the convicted felon for the slimeball that he is. Democrats opinions of him will be reinforced.

Checking back in. Donny is lying harder than he ever has. Which is saying a lot.

Donald told not big lies but astronomical cosmic lies. Biden was unable to counter the lies, he was confused and ineffective way too much.

That was bad. Sure, Trump lied. Incessantly. But Biden looked addled and confused. Ill.

Ugh.

Well the tRumplicans can't say Biden was "jacked up" on something.

Before we go, Convict said: “Hispanics are coming in to USA and taking Black jobs…”

WHAT THE FUCK IS A BLACK JOB!? I need answers!

Huh? WTF? Spasibo, Dos Vedanya.


V. Zelensky

It was truly agonizing to watch Joe struggle against the whining con man's signature fountain of grievances and lies on repeat, blaming the country's ills on immigration and the Biden admin.
Big fumbles included letting the Jan 6 Pelosi nonsense pass uncontested, not pointedly blaming Trump for failure to pass the bipartisan border bill, and not perusing his overt organized attempts to deny and overturn the election results.

At least CNN made money...:rolleyes:

Looked at the wife and commented, "That fucking racist piece of shit went there? WTAF...?"

Last nights debate reinforced the need for a plan B for the Democrats. While there is still time to coalesce around another candidate.

Biden looked bad giving plenty of ammo for Trump to use going forth. Trump looked to be enjoying Biden's struggles. Face this fact Trump lies not matter how big a whopper they are matter not to his supporters. Plan he needs not a plan, to keep their support. Ideas come and go thru his lips like corn thru a goose.

Biden's voice was weak and he looked very tired. Little compassion will be shown to this honorable honest man who has given so much of his adult life in the service to our country.

No comparison to the other and his life spent taking everything possible for himself. Still wanting more and more thinking only of what benefits Trump.

I wondered if the moderators were "ordered" not to go after tRump's myriad of lies? The media not doing this is partly why we are where we are.

Biden just reenforced all the concerns about his age in bold letters. He looked like a man who isn’t going to make it until 2025, never mind four more years of a very very stressful job.

Trump didn’t answer a single question but looked much more vital while lying and blustering.

I will of course vote for Joe but now think we do need another dem candidate. Is that even possible at this late stage?

Smart move for Biden and the party leaders would be waiting till the convention. Then have Biden step back due to some sympathetic reason. Harris also leaving the ticket open to younger people like Newsom Beshear even a Fetterman or a Whitmer as VP.

I think it was announced beforehand that there would be no real-time fact checking.

I blame Jill. She's the only one with the authority to talk him down from running for a second term and she should have done it at least two years ago.

It's not too late.

OH

MY

GOD!

The Democrats are the gravediggers of the American democracy.

Unless they nominate a candidate who is not as close to the graveyard as Biden.

I know what I'm talking about. I had been caring for a 97 years old mother until last February. I watched the decline of her mental state for many many years very closely.

However, when I posted here for the last time a couple of weeks ago I exactly expressed what I am expressing now.

Confirmation. A sad confirmation. I wish it would be else.

WAKE UP DEMOCRATS!!!!!

It takes a very special person to walk away from the power of the Presidency. Most are force to leave by term limits or being voted out. So infatuating must the power of being considered one of if not the most powerful person on the planet.

We shall see if Biden will be like LBJ and see the writing on the wall. Hopefully handing the reins to someone more able to carry the ball to the end zone.

... but whom?

My post 15 had my picks.

Post #15 by my count.

Regardless, those choices are either unwilling or not viable. If the Dems had anybody suitable who wanted the job, he or she would have been trotted out last year.

Was on my phone at the time and born with fat fingers and Dyslexia. Would you know my wife came out to the truck just as I was finishing up also.....

OOPS!

Thanks have since updated....

Also my thoughts on why Biden had no competition. Out of respect and love for the man thinking he can win.

Last night showed he may not very well be the one. Time to say Joe you have served the country with honesty pride integrity selflessness all these years. Do you really want to remembered by history like RBG and stay too long?

Disagree. Sitting presidents run unopposed, the fear being that a down and dirty primary fight will divide the party. I do not agree, since we will always wonder who else will be a better candidate, but it is what it is in a Duopoly.

We, the Dems, need a star. Joe ws our star in 2020 but we need a younger candidate to assume the mantle. Although I'd vote for Harris for pres. in a heartbeat over any Repub out there I don't think she's electable. IMO the party should have been grooming Joe's replacement all along. A plan B if you will.

All that said, I'm with Bill Maher:

"I'd vote for Biden's head in a jar of blue liquid before I'd vote for Donald Trump."

Everybody is comparing the difference between Biden's performance during the debate and his fiery performance the next day. I haven't heard anyone mention that he was reading off of a teleprompter in N.C..

Apples to oranges.

I have -- a talking head on Chris Wallace's CNN show this morning pointed out exactly that, with the same conclusion.

There's a marked difference between reading off a prompter and dodging and weaving, thinking on your feet and reacting to challenges in real time.

I understand loyalty and wishful thinking.
Nice when there is time for it.

This is a fight between the light and the dark. No time for good intentions over the tough decisions needing to be made. Close to equal segments of the country have picked their man. Neither one in a majority so those left are the deciding voters.

The Biden voters would in all likelihood move to a center left replacement candidate if handled with respect to along with his support and consent. Picking up a younger candidate with little time for the propaganda disinformation machines to do their dirty work the better. Could be the difference needed for a win.

Then the saga will continue as we continue to vote for the lesser of the two evils, a choice by default. I too will vote for Biden, but very begrudgingly only since I live in NV.

But a lot of others who are not dug deep in politics or future of our democracy will stay home and not vote. Yesterday, less than 40% of the people voted in Iran for their president, I see that happening here too in the not too distant future. Not comparing Iran to USA by any means, I would not step my foot in Iran.

Raising money has become more important than expending their resources in promoting candidates. From this large of a fund raising operation, wonder how much money goes into actual campaigns.

I don't see Biden's dropping out attracting magamobsters, maybe attracting the undecided clueless who don't comprehend the threat to the Republic that project 2025 and it's beneficiary poses.

First and foremost, either candidate will have a VP ready to step in if necessary, who do you trust to serve the Nation and it's Constitutional principles?
Second, amongst the greatest powers a President posesses are the ability to appoint competent independent advisors, and to delegate authority when required, who do you trust to serve the Nation and it's Constitutional principles?

The Libertarians don't seem to think much of Project 2025...

https://reason.com/2024/06/28/projec...s-second-term/

An excellent take on the debate. If nothing else many of my fellow democrats need to stop wetting the goddamn bed.

I'm worried for the simple fact of where I live. On the border of two states KY and In. Surrounded by low level voters who only get for the most part their info from the ads run by campaigns or I dear say FOX Newsmax ..... even Facebook X .....

Most all the youngsters I know don't care who wins with the choices we have now.. All want someone younger!

The Dems are backing Biden and so will I but it is time to be thinking of a plan B!

Professor Alan Lichtman has a better track record than anyone of picking winners, by far. He says debates and campaigns don't even matter. Biden wins (probably). But if the Dems replace Biden, they lose (probably). https://www.channel4.com/news/if-bid...allan-lichtman

Yep. Thanks DonQ.