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Twodogs 06-11-2009 12:14 PM

Just curious (sincerely)
 
I'm wondering if any Obama voters are re-thinking their vote? It seems to me that he's pretty much living up to his campaign promises, but do they still seem like good ideas? I didn't much care for either choice last year, so this isn't a "Republicans are great" thing at all, I'm just genuinly curious.

merrylander 06-11-2009 02:06 PM

Considering that it all hit the fan just before he took office the pressure must be enormous. So far I have not seen anything that would make me change my vote. Mind you some of the folks in Congress were they running in my district would need to be worried.

As I have noted before, in Canada I was a paid up member of the Conservative Party, but I guess my definition of conserve is different than the GOP's so I mostly vote Democrat.

I am a little annoyed that they seem to have taken Single-Payer off the table but folks are so brain washed on that subject I suppose it was to be expected. I mean they squack about the gummint dictating what sort of health care you will get. Did not stop them from getting in between a woman and her doctor. I think I would rather have some civil servants with no dog in the hunt dictating my health care than some overpaid CEO worried about the shareholders.

Charles 06-11-2009 03:35 PM

2nd thoughts
 
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Originally Posted by Twodogs (Post 1536)
I'm wondering if any Obama voters are re-thinking their vote? It seems to me that he's pretty much living up to his campaign promises, but do they still seem like good ideas? I didn't much care for either choice last year, so this isn't a "Republicans are great" thing at all, I'm just genuinly curious.

I was told once that in an election you are given a choice between two SOB's that you would have never picked in the 1st place, if you REALLY had a choice.

I have talked to one fellow who is having 2nd thoughts on Obama. The rest of my Democratic friends wouldn't say so even if they did.

Personally, I don't care for labels such as conversative, liberal, or libertarian. I have something in common with all of them, and really don't fit into any catagory.

I'm of the what's mine is mine...keep your mitts off of it, I'll leave you alone...but you'd best return the favor, I'll take care of my own affairs...why don't you do the same, and if I want any s..t from you...I'll squezze your head political realm.

Unfortunately, neither political party seems to agree with me.
Chas

noonereal 06-11-2009 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Twodogs (Post 1536)
I'm wondering if any Obama voters are re-thinking their vote? It seems to me that he's pretty much living up to his campaign promises, but do they still seem like good ideas? I didn't much care for either choice last year, so this isn't a "Republicans are great" thing at all, I'm just genuinly curious.

Interesting question.
I voted for Obie by default, I had voted republican in every Presidential election since 1976 but in 2000, 2004 and 2008 the republican party I had supported no longer existed hence I never cast a vote for Boy George or McCain. McCain lost his sole (IMHO) and placing Palin on the ticket was beyond belief. That being said I have been pleasantly surprised at the intellectual approach Obie brings to the office and I think long term it will serve us well.
The thought of having a Jerry Springer wannabe as Vice president of this great country still angers me and it would take a train to make me reconsider.

In summation, I am very pleasantly surprised that he is changing the course of our country at a time that it needs changing. I never though he would be as instantly impactive and certainly not in such positive way.

noonereal 06-11-2009 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 1537)

I am a little annoyed that they seem to have taken Single-Payer off the table .


They never had it on the table, ridiculous.

Twodogs 06-11-2009 04:09 PM

Interesting replies. One of the things that got me to thinking about this is the fact that many of my fellow union members have been grumbling about it. Granted, most of them never read a paper or watch the news, and just vote for who the union endorses. I just can't understand why someone would be upset now, being that Obama seems to have run a fairly honest campaign (at least as honest as any politician I've seen). So far, the only thing that "really" worries me is the deficit spending. If it's true that we have to pay the money back with interest, I don't see how it's going to happen. Granted, I'm just a very regular guy working for wages who knows nothing about economic sciences, but it sure sounds like we keep digging the hole deeper. Surely they won't just start printing money, like some news folks would have us believe.:(

Charles 06-11-2009 04:19 PM

What??????
 
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Originally Posted by noonereal (Post 1543)
Interesting question.
I voted for Obie by default, I had voted republican in every Presidential election since 1976 but in 2000, 2004 and 2008 the republican party I had supported no longer existed hence I never cast a vote for Boy George or McCain. McCain lost his sole (IMHO) and placing Palin on the ticket was beyond belief. That being said I have been pleasantly surprised at the intellectual approach Obie brings to the office and I think long term it will serve us well.
The thought of having a Jerry Springer wannabe as Vice president of this great country still angers me and it would take a train to make me reconsider.

In summation, I am very pleasantly surprised that he is changing the course of our country at a time that it needs changing. I never though he would be as instantly impactive and certainly not in such positive way.

The "intellectual approach"? A "Jerry Springer wannabe"?

You can say what you want about Palin, but at least she can deliver a speech without a teleprompter.

Chas

noonereal 06-11-2009 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles (Post 1546)
The "intellectual approach"? A "Jerry Springer wannabe"?

You can say what you want about Palin, but at least she can deliver a speech without a teleprompter.

Chas

Wow, I take it you disagree with me.

Do you feel that Palin is a serious candidate or that Obie is a hollow shell or both?

noonereal 06-11-2009 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Twodogs (Post 1545)
the only thing that "really" worries me is the deficit spending. (

I think we need to be worried and very watchful.

Charles 06-11-2009 05:25 PM

I think
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by noonereal (Post 1547)
Wow, I take it you disagree with me.

Do you feel that Palin is a serious candidate or that Obie is a hollow shell or both?

I don't think that Palin is as bad as you think. And I doubt that Obie is as bad as I think.

Personally, I don't want either one behind the wheel. Out of 300+ million people, can't we do better?

Chas

Sandy G 06-11-2009 06:08 PM

I'm just waiting for some wiseacre to make a snarky comment about PrezBo's kids-and see the Shyte Storm that follows. Funny how Palin's kids are apparently fair game...Jenna & Barbara Bush caught a fair amount of flak, but Chelsea was Off-Limits, too. OK, so PresBo's kids ARE too young, & so was Chelsea, but ALL the kids oughta be Off-Limits.

noonereal 06-11-2009 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy G (Post 1552)
I'm just waiting for some wiseacre to make a snarky comment about PrezBo's kids-and see the Shyte Storm that follows. Funny how Palin's kids are apparently fair game...Jenna & Barbara Bush caught a fair amount of flak, but Chelsea was Off-Limits, too. OK, so PresBo's kids ARE too young, & so was Chelsea, but ALL the kids oughta be Off-Limits.

This might explain why,

http://www.wowowow.com/files/imageca...alinSQUARE.jpg


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_196838.html


http://www.politico.com/blogs/annesc...ew_on_GMA.html


http://www.beanstockd.com/beanstockd...ss-for-gq/5164

etc etc etc

I don't see anything written about the little ones or the one in the service.
Just the one that wants the attention.

Twodogs 06-11-2009 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy G (Post 1552)
I'm just waiting for some wiseacre to make a snarky comment about PrezBo's kids-and see the Shyte Storm that follows. Funny how Palin's kids are apparently fair game...Jenna & Barbara Bush caught a fair amount of flak, but Chelsea was Off-Limits, too. OK, so PresBo's kids ARE too young, & so was Chelsea, but ALL the kids oughta be Off-Limits.

Letterman is a no class cocksucker (IMHO). As for Palin, I actually voted for her in the presidential race. I vowed that I wouldn't vote for any man who voted yes for the first bailout. I didn't want to stay home or vote for Obama, so she was the obvious choice.:)

noonereal 06-12-2009 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Twodogs (Post 1555)
Letterman is a no class cocksucker (IMHO).

And you are certainly entitled to that opinion but consider that Letterman's joke is a stereotype that plays upon the sexuality of Sarah Palin's looks and the behavior of her children. He was parodying the Palin clan. Did he take it too far?, yes. However, he could not say these things about her or her family with any degree of credibility if there didn't already exist an atmosphere in the media that reinforces some truthfulness about the Palin clan's behavior--relative to the jokes that were made. That's why people laughed. If he had said the same things about Michelle Obama, the Obama daughters or Hillary & Chelsea; people wouldn't laugh at it. Because there isn't any behavior in their lives to be parodied, that would make the joke funny.

Charles 06-14-2009 03:12 PM

Political Jokes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by noonereal (Post 1568)
And you are certainly entitled to that opinion but consider that Letterman's joke is a stereotype that plays upon the sexuality of Sarah Palin's looks and the behavior of her children. He was parodying the Palin clan. Did he take it too far?, yes. However, he could not say these things about her or her family with any degree of credibility if there didn't already exist an atmosphere in the media that reinforces some truthfulness about the Palin clan's behavior--relative to the jokes that were made. That's why people laughed. If he had said the same things about Michelle Obama, the Obama daughters or Hillary & Chelsea; people wouldn't laugh at it. Because there isn't any behavior in their lives to be parodied, that would make the joke funny.

"You know why Chelsea Clinton's so ugly? It's because Janet Reno is her father." Senator John McCain

McCain, to his credit, did apologize for his joke. And I don't think his joke was ever meant to go public.

Letterman is a hateful prick. No wonder he never got The Tonight Show. Jay Leno, or Johnny Carson he ain't.

wajobu 06-19-2009 07:27 PM

As to the OP...

I voted, and I'm not looking back. Anything is better than Bush-Cheney--they should be tried for war crimes and thrown in the slammer. Considering the crappy hand that Obama was dealt, I'd say that things are going well. Change, real change hurts, and it isn't going to be easy, and I wouldn't mind one bit if I paid some more taxes for good programs.

Healthcare needs to be fixed. If we hadn't made at least three adjustments in coverage and deductibles in the last 8 years the cost of our health insurance would now exceed our mortgage payment--that's just plain unacceptable. Our insurance is now at $5K deductible and we only have major medical--hospitalization, no other coverage. At some point we will be paying for coverage with unlimited deductible and no benefits..."protection money"--essentially highway robbery...the system MUST change and the insurance lobby needs to get out of the way.

I think that there should be a NATIONAL minimal major medical coverage for catastrophic hospitalization...if you want more, buy more "reinsurance" privately. That's my system, and everyone would benefit.

merrylander 06-20-2009 06:52 AM

Considering the mutterings coming from the Hill I sincerely doubt that we will see any reformation. Why would Congress reform healt care, they have a beautiful plan - at our expense, sometimes referred to as CheneyCare.


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