Mass Murder In Maine At Least 16 Dead
 

Fucking mil-spec weaponry should never be sold to civvies. This twisting of the Second Amendment is a suicide pact.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/202...&pm_medium=web

Can't help saying it, puts a cherry on a perfect day, emphasizing the world of Republican making we have here.....

Yes a day when a MAGA insurrectionist gains control of the house speaker ship and a recent hospitalized mentally ill assault weapons trainer attacks and kills our citizens.....

What's new?

The amount of guns out there essentially makes anti gun legislation meaningless.
Furthermore, everytime there is a gun incident people buy more guns. WTF!

Throwing hands up and doing nothing except thought and prayers....

Until serious action happens with gun legislation and enforcement. I'm not ready to give up hope we can fix this. Other countries when faced with this problem seem to be able to combat the problem.

The love of guns is strong in this country, stronger then the love of human life....

I don't think there's much we can do about nut jobs with homicidal tendencies until they act but we can and should make it harder for them to carry out such atrocities. Every time some slob says "they could just as easily mass murder with a club or a knife" I want to slap them silly.

Maine has no law requiring firearms dealers to initiate background checks prior to transferring a firearm.

The second amendment has become a poorly thought out/poorly defined suicide pact fantasy for profit, one basic failure by the FFs. Another was failure to define qualifications and limitations on the Presidency, too much faith in the rationality of the populace.

I've asked, over and over, on every current events forum that I have ever inhabited, for a rational and operationally feasible way to get guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. Nobody liberal or conservative has ever been able to provide a way. There are just as many "nut jobs" per capita in the EU as there are in the US. Why do we have 22 times the number of gun homicides per capita as in the EU? Because handguns and assault weapons or "war weapons" are virtually impossible to get in the EU. Most republican politicians have refused to support handgun restrictions on the legally blind for christ's sake.

From what I've read, this guy had a domestic violence history. For sure anybody who has a recorded history of domestic violence problems, and anybody who has ever had a court order of protection placed on them, should not be able get their hands on any gun of any kind.

What the fuck...eh?

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Earlier this year a number of Republican members of Congress wore controversial new pins on their lapels in the shape of miniature AR-15 rifles

Permanently!

https://apnews.com/article/maine-sho...2ad4b26f4b78cd

What we know about the mass shooting in Maine so far

We know who's on the NRA payroll and now they're bragging about it.

Two things bother me regarding this senseless killing. tThe suspect was treated or mental health reasons for two weeks this year, yet he is allowed to possess an assault weapon.

Its been well over 12 hours since the first shooting at the bowling alley, yet the killer is at large. Multiple towns are shut down and do hope he is located soon. Still wondering how LE lost track of him.

1. The human material is basically the same across the globe. Americans are not innately a crazier race than Europeans.

2. There are enormous differences in the rate of firearms homicides and suicides in the US and Europe, to include the extreme events called 'mass shootings.'

3. Point 2 must be the result of particular aspects of the social environment in the US. Efforts to reduce gun violence here should focus on this. Accusations that Americans are particularly awful people are not helpful. What we have is laws and culture that are in some ways awful.

4. If we are to stay a democracy, changing laws and culture is a complex, time consuming project. But immediate attention to helpful legal changes may give limited good results. Background checks and red-flag laws can be implemented in more places. Laws limiting the distribution of the most dangerous types of weapons should be sought as possible.

5. Changes in more people's cultural ideas, ideology, and consequent support of legal and behavioral changes is needed, but getting it will be a very slow process, requiring unusually enlightened leadership.

I'm not arguing any of this. But i have to say something about having to be patient with the people of this country when it comes to doing the right thing about much of anything...much less our history of democratized gun carnage. Its like we are a country full of preadolescent middle school children who have to be fed change in emotionally tolerable doses, lest we start stomping our feet, kicking holes in walls and breaking windows.

The Dunblane massacre took place at Dunblane Primary School in Dunblane, near Stirling, Scotland, on 13 March 1996, when 43-year-old Thomas Hamilton shot dead 16 pupils and one teacher and injured 15 others before killing himself. It remains the deadliest mass shooting in British history. And within a year with the approval of the British people, Parliament outlawed possession of handguns and any other firearms outside of long barreled hunting rifles and shotguns. Never happened there again.

Perhaps Great Britain has enough maturity in their electorate to get this done.

Been meaning to stream this;
Listen to: Introducing 'The Gun Machine' Ep. 1: The U.S. gun industry's surprising origin story - https://one.npr.org/i/1204631961:1204631963

Great Britain's civilian population was essentially disarmed.

Civilian armament is an American culture.

So are mass murders.

Indeed!

However, I am pointing to the basic reason for the better Brits' govt results.

Riddle me this....

Just what measures has the United States done to stop this?

Other then make it easier to own them.

Nothing!



Until real laws are enacted and enforced throughout the nation nothing will change.

There has even an ongoing effort to defeat any and all red flag restrictions (which, imo, should prohibit possession for life) by the usual suspects.
Feeling safer that the neighborhood nut job with the arsenal gets his war toys back?

Of course, Moose Wattle aka Maine has no red flag laws. Frack 'em along with New Hampshire....

Cold, you say? Don't give a shit.

Our occasionally sensible gun laws in California are being rolled back by the wingnuts squatting on the SCOTUS in DC. So much for "states rights", eh peckerwoods?

Anything that isn't designed to kill deer should be loaded on a barge and dumped off the continental shelf or turned into rebar.

Pukeworthy. McConnel and Susan Collins are two of the US Senators that I have nothing good to say about them. Today when asked if she would support an assault weapon ban said she would rather ban high capacity magazines! What a useless flake.

Someone Compiled Maine Shooting Suspect's Twitter History—And It's A Who's Who Of MAGA
https://secondnexus.com/maine-shooti...d-twitter-maga

Of course it is.

Got that in before whell could dispute did ya'?

Last night Stephen Colbert spoke on the subject in his monolog, 6:40 in. He also touched on a salient point @ 8:30 of the same monolog covering just about every Repub do nothing (and a few Dems) in Congress.

https://youtu.be/C__x_wuG8s8?si=xGpA3UfOqbFbr8Nh

In other words...better fucking words, the people of this country are fucking idiots. And I'll say this...the only reason why we don't have handgun and assault weapons bans is because there are too many liberal Democrats who love their fucking guns. If liberal Democrats rose up with one voice demanding the outlawing of handguns and automatic/semi-automatic weapons there would be no way to stop a ban. But too many Democrats love their goddamn guns. (And we're stuck with the fucked up Supreme Court we have.)

It's the same thing with abortion laws. There are just too many devout and otherwise deluded christian liberal democrats who can't accept that medical decisions made by a woman and her doctor are none of their fucking business.

Posted May, 2023

Shot at the goddamn bowling alley fer christ's sake.

I've been going bowling Friday nights with a friend of mine. My wife is a little uneasy about that now. She hasn't said anything outright and I know it's not logical but she is concerned, if only a little.

Did Maine gunman Robert Card target deaf friends?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...15-others.html

Ronald Reagan on background checks and banning AK-47s
https://youtu.be/bjqa0c2BdVg?si=gC5CF3gw5-v8BNVi

Ronnie is supposedly a hero to today's "conservatives". Why don't they listen to his common sense argument against assault weapons and for background checks?

The murderer was found dead by a self inflicted gunshot on Friday night.



https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/lew...-23/index.html

My professional clinical opinion is...

Want to kill yourself? Kill yourself first motherfucker.

I've long been thinking it's likely that hate propaganda, engineered to get people to fear for all they hold dear, due to the evil plans of 'the others,' can create acute mental illness in some people. It might be good to hold them liable when such persons act out violently.

I think this is now the crux of the problem. Even if laws are correctly enforced 99.9% of time that still leaves enough folks with bad intent slipping through the cracks.

I see no viable solution, given the current political climate. Maybe some years down the road it will change.

It won't be an easy 'just pull in all the guns' exercise like England and Australia. But there are things, red flag laws and restrictions on semi-autos with large ammo capacity, that can do quite a lot of good, start the trend in the right direction. Just throwing up hands and saying 'It's impossible!" is wrong, problems that can't be immediately solved can at least be mitigated!

The requirement of a background checks for all gun transfer/sale for free at a police station or registered retailer. Funded by license and training charges for firearms.
Also the requirement of liability insurance for firearms to cover injuries in such tragedies as the one in Maine.
Put the "well regulated" back into the second for one.
I have zero issues with the outlawing of any and all magazines of over six rounds. Picked six due to revolvers.

This is from a sixty some odd year gun owner and operator.

It's not that complicated. EU doesn't have this problem. Most of Asia doesn't have this problem. It's a people problem. Americans from the United States are fucking nuts. It's the only country on earth that has made a lifelong commitment to maintaining democratized gun carnage.

What this 5 cent cigar needs is a good country.