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Ike Bana 09-21-2023 10:33 AM

Zelensky meets with Biden...
 
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Zelenskyy to meet with Biden, Congress as some Republicans sour on Ukraine support - CNBC 9/21/23
Why do they sour? Because they are assholes...to whom nothing matters but the next Republican primary. If their firstborn cost them a vote in a primary, they would cut their firstborn off at the knees.

finnbow 09-21-2023 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 424230)
Why do they sour? Because they are assholes...to whom nothing matters but the next Republican primary. If their firstborn cost them a vote in a primary, they would cut their firstborn off at the knees.

Because a Ukraine victory, aided by a coalition of western nations that Biden helped form, would be a massive geopolitical victory for Biden (particularly when compared to Trump's shameful blackmailing of Zelensky over defensive weapons).

Ike Bana 09-23-2023 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 424235)
Because a Ukraine victory, aided by a coalition of western nations that Biden helped form, would be a massive geopolitical victory for Biden (particularly when compared to Trump's shameful blackmailing of Zelensky over defensive weapons).

The Russians had their asses handed to them on a plate in Afghanistan by a comparatively ragtag pack of Mujahideen war lords. And it was a major contributing factor in the fall of the Communist bloc. Putin is terrified that a loss in Ukraine will end up the same way for him. Which makes this thing worth every penny it costs us. It's just too bad that the cost is so high for Ukrainians. But not a cost as high as a Russian victory.

Zeke 09-24-2023 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 424288)
The Russians had their asses handed to them on a plate in Afghanistan by a comparatively ragtag pack of Mujahideen war lords. And it was a major contributing factor in the fall of the Communist bloc. Putin is terrified that a loss in Ukraine will end up the same way for him. Which makes this thing worth every penny it costs us. It's just too bad that the cost is so high for Ukrainians. But not a cost as high as a Russian victory.

This, I can agree with.

Ike Bana 09-24-2023 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 424323)
This, I can agree with.

And some people say there's no god.

Just one more thing about this. The Republican members of Congress, who are insisting that funds to Ukraine end because Zelensky and Ukraine leadership are all nazis, are fucking traitors. They're not guilty of treason because their behavior doesn't fulfill the criteria for treason, but they are traitorous scum. And at this point, anybody who votes for any Republican for anything is a goddamn traitor as well. If these vote whoring politicians aren't actual MAGA, or actual members of the Congressional Freedom Caucus, they are at least looking the other way, and they're no better. A legitimate argument can be made that they're the worse sort of vote whores...worse than MAGA/Freedom Caucus vote whores.

Dondilion 09-25-2023 02:16 PM

Nazi receives a standing ovation at Zelensky's visit with Trudeau. Canadian parliament apologizes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW_JSJFdGas

Dondilion 09-25-2023 02:29 PM

Rand Paul asked for a Special Inspector General...(over a year).

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c50847...es-aid-ukraine

finnbow 09-25-2023 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 424363)
Rand Paul asked for a Special Inspector General...(over a year).

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c50847...es-aid-ukraine


Fortunately, nobody takes that imbecile seriously.

Ike Bana 09-27-2023 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 424371)
Fortunately, nobody takes that imbecile seriously.

You're being so nice limiting your reference to Dr.Paul as "imbecile." I see him more as malignant narcissist asshole Dr. Paul.

Ike Bana 09-27-2023 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 424362)
Nazi receives a standing ovation at Zelensky's visit with Trudeau. Canadian parliament apologizes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW_JSJFdGas

And your point being...this confirms the nazis are in control of the government of Ukraine. You're so MAGA...


And speaking of celebrated nazis...

Gather round while I sing you of Wernher von Braun,
A man whose allegiance, is ruled by expedience.
Call him a Nazi, he won't even frown.
"Ha, Nazi Schmazi," says Wernher von Braun.

Don't say that he's hypocritical,
Say rather that he's apolitical.
"Once the rockets are up,
Who cares where they come down?
That's not my department,"
Says Wernher von Braun.

Some have harsh words for this man of renown,
But some think our attitude
Should be one of gratitude,
Like the widows and cripples in old London town
Who owe their large pensions to Wernher von Braun.

Tom Lehrer, "Wernher von Braun"

Dondilion 09-28-2023 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 424447)
You're being so nice limiting your reference to Dr.Paul as "imbecile." I see him more as malignant narcissist asshole Dr. Paul.

Here is another imbecile:

Ro Khanna, a democrat congressman from California.

https://khanna.house.gov/media/in-th...nked-neo-nazis

finnbow 09-28-2023 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 424479)
Here is another imbecile:

Ro Khanna, a democrat congressman from California.

https://khanna.house.gov/media/in-th...nked-neo-nazis

A 5 year old article?

Dondilion 09-28-2023 06:35 AM

About Rep. Khanna.

https://khanna.house.gov/about/about-rep-khanna

As I pointed out in another post Bernie Sanders's job is to corral the energies of people like Khanna and make them useless. This one seems to have been too energetic.

Dondilion 09-28-2023 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 424480)
A 5 year old article?

Indeed! It means he had an early insight and historical knowledge.

finnbow 09-28-2023 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 424482)
Indeed! It means he had an early insight and historical knowledge.

Four years later:

Washington, DC – Rep. Ro Khanna (CA-17) issued the following statement on Russia's invasion of Ukraine:

"President Putin's invasion of Ukraine is a blatant violation of international law. He is responsible for the death and destruction that will continue so long as he continues this assault on global peace and security. My heart is with the people of Ukraine who did not want this violence and have done nothing to deserve it. Many innocent civilians are suffering because of Putin's illegal actions.

At the Munich Security Conference, the United States, Ukraine, and our allies reaffirmed our commitment to defend Ukraine's sovereignty. We are united against Putin and his oligarchs and I support the severe and immediate sanctions President Biden announced today to isolate Russia from the global financial system.

Dondilion 09-28-2023 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 424483)
Four years later:

Washington, DC – Rep. Ro Khanna (CA-17) issued the following statement on Russia's invasion of Ukraine:

"President Putin's invasion of Ukraine is a blatant violation of international law. He is responsible for the death and destruction that will continue so long as he continues this assault on global peace and security. My heart is with the people of Ukraine who did not want this violence and have done nothing to deserve it. Many innocent civilians are suffering because of Putin's illegal actions.

At the Munich Security Conference, the United States, Ukraine, and our allies reaffirmed our commitment to defend Ukraine's sovereignty. We are united against Putin and his oligarchs and I support the severe and immediate sanctions President Biden announced today to isolate Russia from the global financial system.

Nothing here about Azoz or the expansion of funding to Zelensky.

Zelensky has pissed off a lot of people with his ingratitude and huge sense of entitlement. Washington is going to ease him out I suspect through a call for elections. Even his wife is calling for elections. He threatened to sue the Poles and Poles now say that they are not going to give him any more weapons.

The debacle in Canada forced many people to be informed about the particular nazi problem in Ukraine. Now the Republicans will shout more, some Democrats will shed their fear of being called Putin's stooges, and ordinary folks whose loved ones fought the nazi scum are going to unite loudly against giving this guy any more dollars. Furthermore, as debt engulfs the American people this giveaway is increasingly not feasible especially as an election year draws near.

The imbecile Rand Paul has been calling for a Special Inspector General. I believe any sane taxpayer would approve his call given the huge amount of funds and arms involved.

Pio1980 09-28-2023 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 424485)
Nothing here about Azoz or the expansion of funding to Zelensky.

Zelensky has pissed off a lot of people with his ingratitude and huge sense of entitlement. Washington is going to ease him out I suspect through a call for elections. Even his wife is calling for elections. He threatened to sue the Poles and Poles now say that they are not going to give him any more weapons.

The debacle in Canada forced many people to be informed about the particular nazi problem in Ukraine. Now the Republicans will shout more, some Democrats will shed their fear of being called Putin's stooges, and ordinary folks whose loved ones fought the nazi scum are going to unite loudly against giving this guy any more dollars. Furthermore, as debt engulfs the American people this giveaway is increasingly not feasible especially as an election year draws near.

The imbecile Rand Paul has been calling for a Special Inspector General. I believe any sane taxpayer would approve his call given the huge amount of funds and arms involved.

What Ukrainian Nazi problem?
Putin has reprised Hitler's expansionism by invasion, the "Nazi problem" is with his behavior and his supporters' slavish acquiescence. Here, history both echoes and rhymes, including the airborne "night of the long knives" re Wagner and Putin's chief rival.

RickeyM 09-28-2023 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 424486)
What Ukrainian Nazi problem?
Putin has reprised Hitler's expansionism by invasion, the "Nazi problem" is with his behavior and his supporters' slavish acquiescence. Here, history both echoes and rhymes, including the airborne "night of the long knives" re Wagner and Putin's chief rival.

I'd like to hear about this "Ukrainian Nazi problem" too. Maybe Dondi will share the Reich-wing version of history thus prompting us to see Vladimir's side of things.

Dondilion 09-28-2023 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 424486)
What Ukrainian Nazi problem?
Putin has reprised Hitler's expansionism by invasion, the "Nazi problem" is with his behavior and his supporters' slavish acquiescence. Here, history both echoes and rhymes, including the airborne "night of the long knives" re Wagner and Putin's chief rival.

True! However, that does not mean that Ukraine is without a Nazi problem. And "nazi" affects emotionally millions of people all over the world.

Many from all corners of the world say with pride, my father, or grandfather fought the nazis. They have oral and physical connections.

Now there is an actual person, a Ukrainian who was a member of the 14th Division Galician Waffen SS. This was a division that did some serious injury to Poles, especially Polish Jews. He was given a standing ovation in the Canadian parliament. How the F did that happen. Someone who was going to meet two heads of state had to be seriously vetted. They knew who this guy was but the fact that he fought Russians was the overriding factor.

Near the end of WW11, the Brits sent thousands of these fellows to different parts of its commonwealth. This Galician division went to Canada. Over time they reinvented themselves, did some revisionist history, and developed a big clout in Canada. There is still a vibrant connection between the Ukraine nazi diaspora and the resident nazis.

The Poles are calling for his extradition and Trudeau is saying the whole thing is Russian misinformation, disinformation, propaganda, etc.

Dondilion 09-28-2023 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 424490)
I'd like to hear about this "Ukrainian Nazi problem" too. Maybe Dondi will share the Reich-wing version of history thus prompting us to see Vladimir's side of things.

What do you say about a Special Inspector General?

RickeyM 09-28-2023 09:53 AM

That's it? Some 94 year old guy is honored for fighting the Russians in defense of his country. Sure the 14th Division Galician Waffen SS did some serious injury to Poles but I've read that the Ukranians of the division didn't participate in that. If Ukraine has a NAZI problem so do we. Wanna guess how?

RickeyM 09-28-2023 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 424493)
What do you say about a Special Inspector General?

Rand Paul's calling for a Special Inspector General? The attempt to scuttle U.S. aid to Ukraine? The attempt to enable Putin's murderous assault on Ukraine and it's people? Sorry Bunky but the majority of Americans, as do I, want to support Ukrainians defending Ukraine and shittly little backdoor attempts to crap on that... I'll pass.

Dondilion 09-28-2023 10:06 AM

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...ar-ncna1290946

Ike Bana 09-28-2023 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 424493)
What do you say about a Special Inspector General?

It's political bullshit out of pedophile sex trafficker Gaetz. That's what I fucking have to say.

But it's refreshing that you admit that it's a fucking nazi hunting expedition.

Dondilion 09-28-2023 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 424497)
Rand Paul's calling for a Special Inspector General? The attempt to scuttle U.S. aid to Ukraine? The attempt to enable Putin's murderous assault on Ukraine and it's people? Sorry Bunky but the majority of Americans, as do I, want to support Ukrainians defending Ukraine and shittly little backdoor attempts to crap on that... I'll pass.

I am specifically asking about a special Inspector general. This is irrespective of the imbecile Rand.

Do you want no one to oversee the taxpayer's fund?

finnbow 09-28-2023 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 424501)
I am specifically asking about a special Inspector general. This is irrespective of the imbecile Rand.

Do you want no one to oversee the taxpayer's fund?


DOD and State both have an IG.

Ike Bana 09-28-2023 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 424498)

The nazi problem is real all over Europe. It's no worse in Ukraine than it is in France...particularly the south of France.

European Ethno-Nationalist and White Supremacy Groups

So qwitcher bullshit attempts to make a case for Putin saving Europe from fascism.

Ike Bana 09-28-2023 10:42 AM

I got an idea for dealing with the European-ethno nationalist, nazi, neo-nazi, problem in Europe. Detention camps for anti-Semites. Lock 'em up.

Dondilion 09-28-2023 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 424496)
That's it? Some 94 year old guy is honored for fighting the Russians in defense of his country. Sure the 14th Division Galician Waffen SS did some serious injury to Poles but I've read that the Ukranians of the division didn't participate in that.

Are you serious? I assume you have read about the SS.

Ike Bana 09-28-2023 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 424505)
Are you serious? I assume you have read about the SS.

Of course I have. I also know all about the
Company C, 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment and Company B, 4th Battalion, 3rd Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade, 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division, at My Lai, Vietnam on 16 March 1968.

One of the ways that Romanian men and Ukrainian men avoided being murdered by the Waffen SS, was to cooperate with the Waffen SS. The American boys were in no danger of being killed when they walked into My Lai that day...they just did it for the fun of it.

So...what's your fucking point? That human males can be inhumane? Thanks so much for your fucking politicized insight.

RickeyM 09-28-2023 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 424506)
Of course I have. I also know all about the
Company C, 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment and Company B, 4th Battalion, 3rd Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade, 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division, at Mai Lai, Vietnam on 16 March 1968.

One of the ways that Romainian men and Ukrainian men avoided being murdered by the Waffen SS, was to cooperate with the Waffen SS. The American boys at Mai Lai were in no danger of being killed...they just did it for the fun of it.

So...what's your fucking point? That human males can be inhumane? Thanks so much for your fucking politicized insight.

Thanks Ike, with your help maybe we can yet educate Dondi. If we can wean him off the Reich-wing alternative facts and revisionist history that is.

RickeyM 09-28-2023 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 424501)
I am specifically asking about a special Inspector general. This is irrespective of the imbecile Rand.

Do you want no one to oversee the taxpayer's fund?

No one overseeing taxpayer's funds? Is that something like the "open border"? IE more Reich-wing blathering.

donquixote99 09-28-2023 04:17 PM

So, for totally soft, based on nothing but opinion reasons, you want to cut Ukraine off. It is nothing but soft opinion to call Zelenski 'entitled,' and thnk opinions of personal style should drive policy. It is nothing but soft opinion to imagine the emotional reactions of millions to the existence past and present to some vague number of 'Ukrainian Nazis' should drive policy. All I see here is rationale, motivated reasoning, a reaction against Ukraine, and for Russia although that is left unstated. The conclusion is driving the argument. It certainly isn't data based.

Dondilion 09-28-2023 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 424515)
So, for totally soft, based on nothing but opinion reasons, you want to cut Ukraine off. It is nothing but soft opinion to call Zelenski 'entitled,' and thnk opinions of personal style should drive policy. It is nothing but soft opinion to imagine the emotional reactions of millions to the existence past and present to some vague number of 'Ukrainian Nazis' should drive policy. All I see here is rationale, motivated reasoning, a reaction against Ukraine, and for Russia although that is left unstated. The conclusion is driving the argument. It certainly isn't data based.

Are you against the call of the embecile Rand for a Special Inspector General?

Dondilion 09-28-2023 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 424508)
Thanks Ike, with your help maybe we can yet educate Dondi. If we can wean him off the Reich-wing alternative facts and revisionist history that is.

It is one thing to descend into a murderous state of mind, it is another when your official duty is to carry out the Final Solution.

Get some education on the SS.

finnbow 09-28-2023 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 424519)
It is one thing to descend into a murderous state of mind, it is another when your official duty is to carry out the Final Solution.

Your boy Putin is actively engaged in genocidal acts and war crimes right now. What's behind your reflexive defense/admiration of Putin and his actions in Ukraine? Spill the beans.

Dondilion 09-28-2023 05:13 PM

https://www.politico.eu/article/volo...action-center/

Dondilion 09-28-2023 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 424520)
Your boy Putin is actively engaged in genocidal acts and war crimes right now. What's behind your reflexive defense/admiration of Putin and his actions in Ukraine? Spill the beans.

Nowhere here have I expressed admiration for his actions in Ukraine. What I have asked for is realism which to my mind is supported by top active officers of the United States Military.

I have stated that Putin did well to extricate Russia from the terrible nineties and also to prevent Balkanization.

Ike Bana 09-28-2023 05:48 PM

QUOTE=Dondilion;424362]Nazi receives a standing ovation at Zelensky's visit with Trudeau. Canadian parliament apologizes.[/QUOTE]

So Dondi wants to throw shade on Zelensky and Trudeau for a celebration of a guy who may have been a former nazi. I got to thinin' how many other nazi scientists got themselves off the hook after the war and with the help of the Smithsonian here's what I found out.

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So it came to pass that 71 years ago today, 88 Nazi scientists arrived in the United States and were promptly put to work for Uncle Sam.
And Dondi is all upset that this old man was cheered. Well here are 88 nazis that our government let off the hook in the most notorious act of genocide in world history.

While Dondi plays politics.

Ike Bana 09-28-2023 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 424523)
Nowhere here have I expressed admiration for his actions in Ukraine. What I have asked for is realism which to my mind is supported by top active officers of the United States Military.

I have stated that Putin did well to extricate Russia from the terrible nineties and also to prevent Balkanization.

Putin is a fucking polonium smoothie murderer and war criminal. And you're pissed off at Zelensky and Trudeau. I know all about American men like Dondi. Sitting across from me in treatment rooms with no clue what sort of shitbags they are.


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