Ohio Votes Today
 

"Ohioans vote on whether to make it harder to amend state constitution

Ahead of a November vote on abortion rights, Republican lawmakers want voters to make it more difficult to amend the state constitution. The outcome will have tremendous implications for the fate of abortion rights in the state.

Ohio voters headed to the polls Tuesday to decide whether to make it harder to amend the state constitution in a special election that has tremendous implications for the fate of abortion rights in the state.

For more than a century, Ohio voters have been able to amend the state constitution with a simple majority. The measure up for a vote on Tuesday would change that threshold to 60 percent.

If voters approve the amendment, they will set a much higher bar for passing a constitutional amendment guaranteeing abortion rights that is scheduled for November. Because of those stakes, Tuesday’s election has become a proxy fight over abortion." WP

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ue-1-abortion/

When you can't win, change the rules. That's the GQP way.
(btw, no paywall on this story)

With 33.5% counted, YES 36.8%, NO 63.2%

Early count tilts toward the big cities, of course, but I don't think the YES vote was very energized. We'll see.

The Ohio Republican's attempt to cancel voter power to amend the state constitution has failed. With 70% of the vote in, 57% have voted NO. https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/...n/70542152007/

Good news, Don. Thanks.

If you can't beat 'em cheat 'em.

The Repubes will pull some other filthy trick before OH voters can enact a constitutional amendment to enshrine the right to abortion. Like our boy Whell, they are a nasty, vindictive bunch of moronic assholes, who will stop at nothing to get their way - voters be damned.

It would be a wake up call to any rational minded public servant to amend their thinking some after such a stunning defeat. One so totally unexpected when first put forth. Doing what they hoped would stack the election in their favor.

Will this happen? Double down and get more narrow minded will they be. Until this cancer infecting our country, one of hate and division is dealt with by voting them out of any positions of authority. This will not happen over night.

If this had passed in effect 40% of the voters would of controlled changes to amendments to the constitution.

But the unborn has no vote.

Duh. And what your plan to remedy that (other than a clever quip)?

Mind your own fucking business.

The good old USA, where a baker can refuse to deliver a wedding cake to a gay couple, but an American woman is forced to deliver her rapist's baby

Here's a nice summary on the vote and the political ramifications of the vote from the New York Times...

Ohio Voters Reject Constitutional Change Intended to Thwart an Abortion Rights Amendment

If only your party cared as much about them after they're born as they do before they are born.

American conservatives are hypocrites. The "sanctity of all life"? Fucking really? Unless you're an intellectually impaired, mentally ill, black man on death row...and then all life isn't so sacred anymore. Or if you're a Muslim kid living in some hovel in Afghanistan when the drone operator is given the "fire" order. They don't care about the pre-born any more than they care about the pre-school, particularly when the pre-schooler has a little more melanin in their skin. Or as George Carlin used to say...

Pre-born vs. Pre-school

This is all about sexist power and control over American women. Power and control over American LGBTQ. Power and control over non-christians. Power and control over non-whites. Six out of ten white Americans voted for Trump in both elections...I am officially disgusted and ashamed of my race.

If one is not born yet, how does the fetus vote. Or for that matter, we have a minimum voting age to prevent fetuses from voting.

In the Ohio GOP’s scam referendum, the majority backed majority rule

Hope this holds true since other Red states with one party rule are also considering similar moves which is to take away the power of the people, aka anti-democracy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...n-republicans/

It's a backhanded way of saying a fetus has no defense against us mean evil "pro-death" people.

The issue is beyond party. it points to a gigantic gap in moral cadence. My many years tell me that it is suffused with inconveniences. Such as an impediment on one's way to the top, or as simple as children making too much noise.

Republicans are ignorant fucking children making too much noise.

Decisions made by a woman and her doctor are none of your fucking business. Mind your own fucking business.

This also goes for the content of counseling sessions of confidentiality protected minors...none of your fucking business. Mind your own fucking business.

It's as simple as one group imposing their beliefs and so-called morals on everyone else. Like it or not our country is based on majority rule and the majority favors abortion being available. As so witness by the vote in Ohio which fanged the GOP's attempt to scuttle that..

The country is not based on majority rule.

Which country are you talking about? Mother Russia? Because all democracies are based upon majority rule with minority rights guaranteed.

In the words of Thomas Jefferson (someone who knows a bit about the rules upon which our country is based):

All . . . will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect and to violate would be oppression.

https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/g...nority-rights/

Tell that to Mrs Clinton.

At its very core the country abhors majority. That is why it makes it so hard for majority to execute an agenda.

Only the president can be elected by a non majority due to the bizarre EC.
Legislative and governorship positions are all voted in by a majority even down to the county level.

So in general, this country is a majority ruled country.

Abhor a majority? That's some Lake Wobegon shit, Dondi. No matter how you slice it, there will always be a majority and a minority. My only conclusion is that you support minority rule, the exact opposite of democracy. Given your support of Putin, I can't say that I'm surprised.

As for the difficulty in executing an agenda, that's by design. The Founders did not want to make it easy for a despotic clown like Trump to run roughshod over the country. Indeed, that's what our Revolution was about.

When was there a national referendum on any issue?

Weak sauce, Dondi. Pitiful actually.

You live in a state that truly believe in majority rule via its frequent ferendums, call backs and such.
However the country on a whole does not.

The California Supreme court protects us from illegal referendums. You have a very skewed idea of how government works here. BTW Which former Soviet republic were you raised in?

Look up California Prop 8 & 187 for examples.

What obtains or what is structured is that akin to rule by elders. The "elders" can put aside the wishes of the majority and the elders have life tenure.

National referendum on critical issues is the essence of majority rule.

Tyranny is tyranny.

:cool:You are bogged down in Soviet arena.

I am not. Legal referendums are the closest to majority rule. No one is referring to illegal referendum.

Abortion is an issue used by both parties for political ends.Why not put it directly to the people?

Yes, a national referendum on abortion.

Impossible, the Scotus left to individual states overturning Roe vs. Wade. How do you have a national referendum if its not binding on individual states?

Might as well go with the polls, latest Gallup is 69% pro abortion.

But forced birthing is a red meat issue for the Red states. This is why residents of individual states are holding ballot referendums.

With this vote going down like this. Elected officials would rethink their approach. To modify or double down...

They have it appears doubled down! Heard reporting where it is being suggested they try it again during the upcoming Senate/Presidential election thinking higher chances of passing...

It will be interesting to see which Repukes embrace this and which run away from it.

Granting legal personhood to a fertilized egg, zygote, embryo, or fetus is fraught with unintended complex consequences.

"Steve Bannon raged while interviewing a priest on his podcast following this week's Republican defeat in a vote in Ohio, arguing that unless the anti-abortion movement reorganizes itself, top GOP donors will begin pulling their money from activist groups.

"These are not left-wing places, Kansas and Ohio, brother. I mean, you're not going to get more MAGA," Bannon told Frank Pavone, a laicized Catholic priest and the national director of anti-abortion group Priests for Life, during Wednesday's episode of Bannon's War Room podcast. "Ohio is the bastion of MAGA."

Bannon went on: "I'm telling you that if [the anti-abortion movement] doesn't get organized, and I mean organized quickly, there's a lot of voices in the donor community and others saying, 'Hey, you know, what are we doing here? Because these guys are a drag right now when we can't afford it.'"

On Tuesday, voters in Ohio, which has become a Republican stronghold in recent elections, rebuked a GOP-backed effort known as Issue 1, shooting down a measure that would have made it harder to pass future amendments to the state constitution. Although the issue of abortion was not directly on the ballot, the vote sets up a showdown in November, when an amendment enshrining abortion rights in Ohio's constitution will come up for vote. Issue 1's defeat has been largely seen as a proxy win for abortion-rights advocates." NW
cont. below
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...71ccd0b7&ei=48

Lovely to hear Steve Bannon melting down like the conjob snowflake he is.
Overreaching GQPers are getting a serious civics studies lesson administered by American women and their allies.

What is it with these people? The majority of Americans, Republicans included, are in favor of abortions being available. Why are they so dead set on getting them outlawed?