Trump Under Federal Indictment
 

"Former President Donald Trump has been indicted on seven charges relating to mishandling classified government documents and obstructing justice, according to CNN. Specific charges have not been revealed as of press time, although it has been confirmed that Trump will be traveling to Miami, Florida to respond to the charges, suggesting that will be the venue of the case.


It makes him the first sitting or former president ever to face a federal indictment." RS

https://www.rawstory.com/classified-...ts-2661024619/

Good.

I'll bet Pence and Desantis both have ear to ear grins right about now......

Trump of course is calling this "election interference" and whining about a "witch hunt/persecution" again...when in fact for perhaps the first time in his life, Donald J. Trump is being treated just like everybody else. If Trump was somebody else who isnt Donald Trump he would have gone to jail a long time ago.

https://www.themostlysimplelife.com/...ilent.jpg.webp

Not that anyone in their right mind expects him to be silent.

Der Pumpkinfurher is currently melting down in allcaps on his cheap imitation of twitter or maybe it's Steven Miller. :rolleyes:

A great old Jimmie Rodgers classic in Donny’s “honor”.

https://youtu.be/p3L2qf3q-ok

As Robert Reich so accurately points out, what actually matters in this country is how Americans behave when they walk up to their little voting station. What this indictment is going to do is rally the 46% of Americans who twice voted (and who will vote that way again next year, regardless of the Repubican candidate) for one thing only...what's in it for them. It may be financial benefits, it may be religious zealotry, it may be hate for the other, their bigotry, racism and xenophobia...it doesn't matter what combination.

What matters is that the decisions made on the ballots of the 46%'er's come out of everything that is wrong with human nature.

Robert Reich - Felon Trump
The Justice Department begins to do what it must do

Reich seems to think that the first indictment should have been the "seditious conspiracy" charge related to the Jan 6th riot. I don't think it would matter much. Nothing is going to change our fellow Americans on the other side of this culture war. That they will support what they choose to support makes them awful people, they can be kind to animals and commit other decent acts and still be terrible humans. The beasts the the bugs are more noble than we are.

Mankind is the missing link between apes and humans. Trump voters are all the proof we need to see that.

Oh Lordy, There Are Tapes
 

Trump was complaining in the meeting about Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley. The meeting occurred shortly after The New Yorker published a story by Susan Glasser detailing how, in the final days of Trump’s presidency, Milley instructed the Joint Chiefs to ensure Trump issued no illegal orders and that he be informed if there was any concern.

“Well, with Milley – uh, let me see that, I’ll show you an example. He said that I wanted to attack Iran. Isn’t that amazing? I have a big pile of papers, this thing just came up. Look. This was him,” Trump says, according to the transcript. “They presented me this – this is off the record, but – they presented me this. This was him. This was the Defense Department and him. We looked at some. This was him. This wasn’t done by me, this was him.”

Trump continues: “All sorts of stuff – pages long, look. Wait a minute, let’s see here. I just found, isn’t that amazing? This totally wins my case, you know. Except it is like, highly confidential. Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/09/polit...ion/index.html

Beyond blowing up Trump's excuse that he declassified everything in his head, this may lead to a superseding indictment for sharing national defense information.

Absolutely and...

The Rosenbergs suffered death by electrocution for violating the Espionage Act. One thing we don't know yet is who was allowed access to the heavily classified documents that were laying around all over his Mar-A-Lago residence.

And yet, he can still get the Republican nomination, and be elected even if convicted and imprisoned...AND THAT IF NOMINATED, 46% OF ASSHOLE AMERICAN VOTERS WILL CAST THEIR BALLOT FOR HIM A THIRD TIME.

The GOP has so indoctrinated their voting base, so changed their beliefs, so demonized Democrats and the Democratic party that they cannot not support tRump. In the 2020 election millions of voters who didn't ordinarily participate came out to vote. A larger percentage of those voted Democrat for president. The threat of tRump occupying the oval office again hopefully will bring out even more to vote. Hopefully most of them won't cotton to a convicted felon becoming president.

With the GOP's cult of zombies overlooking or plainly ignorant of how our justice system works. There are steps to bringing charges with judges lawyers grand juries.
Letting it slip is the cult on they way they would be running and investigation and prosecution. From on high with no filters to the steps taken, just do what the leaders desire. Retribution retaliation on political opponents.

Coming soon if they gain control again.

I really dont think that's all that much different from what the Democrats do. Trying to influence/indictrinate people to vote for them.

The behavior is the same, the difference is the content. GOP content is all shit...I hate what they want. Last time I che ked, I hate eveey bit of it.

Theyre all vote whores, its a parliament of whores as P.J. O'Rourke suggested many years ago.

And...after having Trump take a number of giant shits on him, DeSantis is defending Trump on the indictment...vote whoring to ridiculous extremes.

Why Ron? Because they have no case you stupid son of a bitch. If a federal prosecutor had a case they thought they could win, Hillary and Hunter would have been indicted a long time ago. If and when they do, there will be an indictment.

Agreed, its ME first (to get reelected), party next (to help me get reelected) and country last (you have nothing to do with my reelection). As for the constituents, show me the money or get lost. End of the day, its not the candidate quality that matters, its the money they can raise. Herschel Walker is a recent example, one of the worst candidates money can by.

That may be true at the local level, and even for the US Congress but I don't believe Dems would support a Presidential candidate that does not respect the Constitution, democracy & the law.

"WASHINGTON — Former President Trump was indicted on 37 charges, including 31 counts of violations of the Espionage Act, as part of special counsel Jack Smith’s investigation into the mishandling of classified documents from the Trump White House
The 49-page indictment, released Friday by the Department of Justice, details that Trump stored boxes containing classified documents in various Mar-a-Lago locations, including a ballroom, a bathroom and shower, his office, his bedroom and a storage room." LATimes

https://www.latimes.com/politics/sto...uction-charges

Old 'Two Scoops' won't be getting any ice cream in the pokey.

The last governor of MD Larry Hogan is a Repub. No way he could have gotten elected without widespread Democrat support. However he came out against tRump's impeachment so I'd never vote for him again for any office.

Yet another person who aligned himself with Trump and lied on his behalf is now indicted. Looks like he got bad legal advice. Had he cooperated with DOJ, he would easily obtained immunity. He was Trump's valet and was just moving boxes around upon orders. But he did draw a six figure salary (from Trump's PAC) and probably did not want to give it up. His legal bills are also being paid by the PAC.

In the order of probability I think this case is the easiest to prove and convict on. The Jan 6th case would probably be the hardest one but with Mark Meadows rolling over on him it would be much easier.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Everything Trump Touches Dies

And the legal advice he receives will not be in his best interest.

Sad part is that this guy Walt Nauta hails from a small town in Guam, good family background, 20 years service in the Navy who was Trump's valet in the WH and then retired from the Navy to continue the same job in Trump's MAL as a civilian. Yes, a six figure salary for a valet would be great enticement, but now he is certain to be convicted for having lied repeatedly. Sad, but no one forced him to go work for Trump. having been in the WH and seeing so many careers ruined, he should have known better or its the call of MAGA.

Full PDF of the charging documents are here - Thanks to the Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/docum...nline_manual_4

What is happening to Trump should've happened to that scumbag Dick Nixon back in the early '70s. Letting Tricky Dick walk led directly to der Pumpkinfurher thinking he could do anything and get away with it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbu...h=50955ebe661d

""Suddenly Resign After Indictment—Latest Shakeup To Legal Team: Here’s The Timeline Of Changes""


Rats and sinking ship......

I so look forward to Whell defending his Dear Leader for this. He is likely waiting to hear some wingnut pundit to parrot.

Oh he won't come out and defend DJT directly. He will attack those he feels unfairly persecuting tRump since he's the best ever and does nothing wrong in his eyes. Once he gets sufficiently briefed on Reich-wing talking points.

Did I say Democrats don't respect the Constitution, democracy & the law? No, I did not. I clearly stated that I believe there isnt much difference between Republican and Democrat vote whoring political election strategy. I was very clear that there is a difference, which is everything the Republican politicians and Republican voters want is shit, based on racism, sexism, bigotry, anti-Semitism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia, and fucking "thoughts and prayers" over a classroom full of dead six-year olds. It's all shit...I hate all of it. It's been shit since Nixon...I have not cast a vote for any Republican for any office since Nixon.

But regardless of party, party platforms, and party policy, they're all vote whores. They all lie for votes. It's their job to lie for votes. Obama lied for votes...he told us he would reign in the DEA prosecutions of marijuana users and medical marijuana users, and he didn't. He lied about that, he flipflopped about gay marriage, he didn't get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan like he promised. So...Obama is my favorite Presidential vote whore.

PS - I don't respect the Constitution.

Walter Nauta

Ode To Walter

That fella Nauta shoulda' oughta
Had rolled over on tRump
Now his future has taken a dump
He thought if he stayed true his worth would swell
The chances of that are now shot to hell
In time his tale will tell
Of his stay, poor Walter, in the Graybar Hotel
Siding with Donald, Walter
Didn't go so well.

Radio silence on the indictment from the resident MAGAmorons. Has anyone read the 44 page indictment document? I think I'll sit down today, pop open a few cold ones and give it a read.

If Nauta doesn't flip on Trump, he's a fucking fool. He's gotta know that Trump would throw him under the bus in a nano-second if it appeared to Trump that it would benefit him in the slightest.

And if he flips...Trump judge or no Trump judge, it's over for the deranged orange animal.

And, if Trump showed any of the classified Department of Defense documents or nuclear weapons documents to any of his Russian pals like Kislyak, or any of his family, in particular Kushner, or associates like Stone, Manafort, Flynn or Bannon, who are in bed with the Russians, it should be the Rosenberg outcome for Donald.

Although this is America, where we are happy to execute Jew violators of the Espionage Act, but not a serial sociopathic grifter, serial sexual assault perping pedophile former president serial violator of the Espionage Act...no fucking way.

So here's one more thought about Trump, he put a lot of time and energy into creating a positive relationship with Putin. Why would he do this? Because he feared that down the road, something like this would happen to him, that a lifetime of despicable behavior topped off by his traitorous presidency would finally catch up with him.

So I suspect that Putin has a condo down the hall from Snowden's place, just wating for his pal, Donald.

It may already be too late for Nauta. Through his lawyer he said give me immunity or indict me. Then he was indicted. Jack Smith doesn't indict loosely.

Come on, give the guy a break. Trump was just leaving interesting reading material in the bathrooms and Ballrooms for his many guest!

Interesting material that got a lot of people working for us killed, it appears. There was a big spike in that in 2021.

Plea deals can change. Nauta can agree at some point and the indictment can change. But if he wants complete immunity from any prosecution it would have to be some pretty remarkable testimony.

Nauta answered Jack Smith's subpoena, gave testimony and then continued to work for Trump. This in itself is quite suspicious, what didn't he tell the grand jury that he should have told them. I believe that good attorneys do not ask questions unless they already know the answer. Nauta should know who had access to these documents or who else the Moron bragged about and/or showed them his cache. And what about the Trump family and hangers on, or Junior and Kushner who could not get security clearance.

The biggest question is why did Trump's two lead attorneys Jim Trusty & John Rowley on this case resign immediately after the indictment was handed out. Must have to be a serious disagreement with Trump. It cannot be the money since all these legal expenses are paid by his PAC which is brimming with cash.

Here is something quite interesting. Trump aide Molly Michael fully cooperated with the DOJ in their investigation, got rattled by the investigation and quit. Nauta stayed on, got indicted for his troubles whereas Michael is allowed to walk away. Seems these two communicated regularly and their phones hold a lot of text communications and pictures.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...es-molly-evan/