The Reasons MAGAts Still Support Trump
 

It’s a challenge for many of them, especially those who identify as people of faith, to reconcile what they claim to value—integrity, honor, truthfulness, decency, compassion—with the fact that they support a misogynist who has cheated on his wives and sexually abused women; threatened judges, prosecutors, and election officials; used hundreds of millions of dollars in military assistance to pressure a foreign leader to dig up dirt on his political opponent; catalyzed a violent insurrection and engaged in a multipart conspiracy to overturn the lawful results of the 2020 presidential election; dined with white-supremacist and anti-Semites; cheated on his taxes; lied pathologically; routinely used cruel and dehumanizing rhetoric; and promoted political violence...

First, Trump supporters deny the worst things he has done. Jury verdicts against him are always unfair; impeachments are unjust partisan acts. Investigations of him that have found wrongdoing, all of them, are “WITCH HUNTS.” ...

Second, Trump supporters catastrophize the threats of the left... What we’re talking about isn’t just fear; it’s a sense of desperation and impending doom...

Third, Trump and his supporters are frantically trying to portray President Joe Biden as more corrupt than his predecessor. If Trump is an innocent man forever being framed, Biden is the head of a “crime family,” according to Trump, who labeled a set of unproven allegations against Biden as “Watergate times 10.”...

A fourth justification that supporters of Donald Trump have constructed is that his presidency was an unqualified success, that Trump did practically everything right. There is plenty of evidence to the contrary...

If a decade ago you had told Trump supporters that this is the kind of man they would defend, that this is what they would become, most of them would have been horrified. At this stage, though, for Trump supporters to call him out would be to call out themselves, and that’s too painful for too many people. The greater the ethical compromises we make, the fiercer our justifications become—and the angrier and more frustrated we get at those who won’t go along for the ride.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...n-hall/674142/

It appears that the author has been reading Whell's post for the past several years. I suppose if you get your "news" from the wingnut angertainment complex, you can't help but start believing this nonsense.

Imma just leave this here...

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TOP DEMOCRATS ARE WRONG: TRUMP SUPPORTERS WERE MORE MOTIVATED BY RACISM THAN ECONOMIC ISSUES

No doubt there are issues of democracy vs autocracy...and all the glaring political issues. But IMHO the MAGA are bigots, in every way possible. Some hate black folks the most, some hate Jews the most, some hate LGBTQ more than others...but they are all haters. They hate Muslims, they hate Asians, they mostlyhate anybody who isn’t a white supremacist christian nationalist.

Trump came through the window that former President Clinton opened.

Don't forget the contribution of the man you admire so much, Vladimir Putin. That said, your comment doesn't address the content of the article which explains why Trump supporters still support him despite his myriad faults (while Hillary has been out of the picture for over 6 years).

I guess the article could add another item to the four listed in the article - they still like Trump because they, like Trump, admire the kind of authoritarianism put in place by Putin and would like something similar here (this would capture your rationale).

You and Whell have much in common. Both make absurd comments. Difference is, Whell backs his comments with copious amounts of BS. You simply make absurd statements with no rationale whatsoever.

Whell is the most accomplished poster on this here site. He for the most part sticks to the essence of the issue while employing tremendous patience.

I try for self-explanatory brevity.

What you have in common is Whell's unquestioned loyalty to Trump and your unquestioned loyalty to Trump's patron, Putin. Whell supports his fealty to Trump with stuff plucked from the right-wing angertainment complex whereas you no longer provide any supporting rationale for your comments as it would emphasize your fealty to a murderous war criminal.

In short, what you have in common with Whell is a willingness, even a need, to support and defend your favorite authoritarian. Birds of a feather ...

PS - Your comment about Hillary in response to an article about why Trump supporters still support him despite his manifest character flaws and rampant criminality was hardly self-explanatory. It was indeed brief, however.

Many still support Trump, despite his many negatives, essentially because he was the first major politician to voice (notice voice) consistently the angst they experienced re the hollowing out of the American industrial center.

White folks especially those who thought they were special cannot still believe what corporate America did.

Off-shoring was/is a trauma.

Whereas Trump did nothing to actually address these issues, Biden has (e.g., Trump's "Infrastructure Week" became a punchline). That said, your analysis is faulty. Trump's support did not (and does not) derive from his industrial policy because he really didn't have one beyond whatever nonsense Peter Navarro (hired via an Amazon search by Jared Kushner) was babbling. And the results of this "policy" was greater unemployment, budget and trade deficits.

Trump's appeal derived from the appeal of authoritarianism to his base and the fact that he gave his followers license to show their hatred for pretty much everyone other than Christian Nationalists and his willingness to "fight" against all of these perceived enemies (Muslims, blacks, LGBTQ, immigrants, historical allies (in favor of despots) ...), something that had fortunately gone out of favor for the past several decades.

Thanks for the link. About 1/4 through ...

Whell more than holds his own and you are more often than not obtuse in your responses to Dondilion. For me, your self righteous declarations of patriotism and freedom are a bit much considering the corporate military police state in which we Americans dwell.

Trump came up through a backed up toilet.

As before, I hardly believe anyone can think as you do. We live in seperate cognitive universes. Your assessments are, in my view, intensely colored by political bias. Those who you feel are on 'your side' are not subjected to anything like critical thinking.

I can see self-explanatory, but I don't think the explanation is what you think it is.

My declarations are more about my preference for democracy over autocracy, something MAGAt's don't seem to share. And if it's self-righteous to defend democracy from autocratic threats and enabling lies from MAGAWorld, color me guilty. I'll continue to heap abuse on Trump supporters at every turn.

As for my obtuse responses to Dondilion, he has had many a post over the years demonstrating a strong admiration for Putin and what he has done in Russia, something he has cooled off on a bit on since Putin's bloody Ukrainian debacle. Now his support for Putin is a bit more guarded/coded. But I haven't forgotten.

As for the US being a military police state, I'll take issue with that having been to quite a number of actual military police states over the years including most of the Warsaw Pact and Soviet Union in the 1980's, some of our allied juntas in Central America at that time, Egypt under Mubarak and Kenya under Moi. We are a far cry from that though I'll readily admit that Trump, given his druthers, would indeed turn the US into a fascist police state if he could considering his frequent appeals to political violence and his statement about wanting to terminate the constitution.

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Thanks D. That's the funniest thing I've seen here and a long, long time.

For starters I believe that Trump benefited exceedingly from the the tolerance and support shown to former president Clinton.

Trying to comprehend the minds of this seemingly strong man love cult. We are blind in understanding those who fail in feeling the pain and have compassion for others not like them.

They are enamored by bullies and yes even lairs grifters con men thief's and sex addicts have a place in their esteem.

Where the other major party a offender will voluntarily on a transgression accept blame and exit.

Good one!

I support him because he simply got screwed by the establishment.

And, if you think the U.S.A is better off with a senile grifter at the helm then vote for him again. Sort of how it works.

There might be a good reason for the "Establishment" to want someone gone.......

Like being a life long criminal and wanna be dictator.

Holding ones own is not the same as making a convincing argument. What he does is sparring wearing a borrowed MAGA helmet.

Ask him if he plans to vote for Trump and instead of a Yes or No answer, you will get a treatise on FBI.

LOL, 10x

Always you think it vitally important to attribute the success of the MAGAs to faults of the Democrats. As if the problem isn't the fascists among us, it's making sure we assign the blame correctly.

He doesn't hold his own anyway. He just has mastered the troll trick of acting as if he does. He's wrong at least 90% of the time, often spectacularly so, the better to attract responses. Showing him up is a shooting-fish-in-a-barrel sort of sport.

This is the only time you have posted anything that made me laugh out loud.

whell's posts are rambling FAUXNOOZE based editorial opinion. There's more conspiracy theory bullshit per paragraph in a whell post than I have ever seen anywhere else.

This guy has more sneaky whataboutism skills than I have seen anywhere.

Oh yeah? Whatabout _________?
Obama
Clinton
Clinton
Carter
LBJ (Nixon committed treason...oh yeah? Whatabout LBJ???)
JFK
Etc., etc., etc.

Right now stuck in the "whatabout the Clintons" rut.

Here is High/Low presidential ratings: (Wiki)

Biden 57/37
Trump 49/34
Obama 68/38
Bush 90/25 (the 90 is a short lived post 9/11 blip)
Clinton 73/37

More importantly, Clinton left office with a 65% approval rating. So what did he get away with again??? Yet another ridiculous whataboutism.

Note, Trump never got above 50% and the Republicans keep mentioning the Trump agenda.

Trump, the adjudicated sexual predator and porn star paramour, benefited from Clinton's consensual dalliance with an intern? Where the hell did you come up with ridiculousness conclusion?

There, fixed it.

Newt Gingrich's Unintentional Burn Of Donald Trump Is Priceless
https://news.yahoo.com/newt-gingrich...111133282.html

“One of Trump’s great advantages is he talks at a level where third, fourth and fifth grade educations can say, ‘Oh yeah, I get that. I understand it.’” Gingrich told host Laura Ingraham on her Fox News show.

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Truer words were never spoken, eh Whell? :D

Wedging off such voters and getting them to vote as a loyal block is the dream of demagogues!

Prove my assertion...a wall to wall defence of Clinton. No wonder Trump thought he had a very good chance even as a vulgar outsider.

Years of Clinton thrashed the presidency; the people became inured to substandard behavior.

Next to admitted habits of sexual assault (grab them!), the dalliance with Monica seems practically sweet and innocent. Not the ruin of the Republic, so much. But that's just an opinion.

And an interesting difference is that Clinton showed shame for his (legal) behavior, whereas Trump bragged about his (illegal) behavior.

Bill owned up to it and apologized. I don't know if he actually meant it or not who knows but he showed contrition for it.

What wall to wall defense of Clinton? The Monica dalliance which was consensual and he got impeached for it. EOS.

Did you see where he had a 65% approval rating when he left office? That's wall to wall approval.

That was great encouragement for Trump but I suspect much anguish for Juanita.

You mean his substandard behavior as a husband? Who fucking cares? Because his performance as President was certainly monumentally better than the performance of the last half dozen Republican presidents we have had. His behavior as a husband wasn't even all that bad...compared with some.

For instance? Here's some fucking for instance...

President George W. Bush added $5.85 trillion to the national debt, a 101% increase from the $5.8 trillion debt at the end of Clinton's last budget for fiscal

So Clinton's behavior made Trump into sexual predator? You keep repeating the Clinton Clinton chorus line without acknowledging that Clinton left office with 65% approval rating whereas Trump's never got higher than 49%. You are comparing a highly effective CIC to a Moron who needs to be locked up for his crimes.