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bobabode 05-16-2023 10:47 PM

JAX, Florida Elects A Democratic Mayor
 
'Florida Democrats flip the Jacksonville mayor’s office in a major upset'

"Democrat Donna Deegan won the Jacksonville mayoral race Tuesday night, a shocking upset that hands Florida Democrats a major shot of energy less than six months after they were trounced in the 2022 midterms and considered left for dead by the national party.

Deegan came into Election Day as the decided underdog against Republican Daniel Davis, who is the head of the city’s chamber of commerce and had a significant fundraising advantage. He was endorsed by Gov. Ron DeSantis, but that support was lukewarm. The governor did not do events with Davis or put his political muscle behind his candidacy.

With all of the city’s 186 precincts reporting, Deegan had a 52-48 advantage over Davis, who was vying to replace current Republican Mayor Lenny Curry and was term-limited.

“Everyone said it could not be done in Jacksonville, Florida,” Deegan said, according to video of her victory speech. “We did it because we brought the people inside.”

The city of Jacksonville's official Twitter account sent a tweet congratulating Deegan Tuesday night, writing, "We look forward to your leadership and vision as you help guide our City into the future."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...1ac53822&ei=12

One hopes the DNC will take note. Florida isn't a total wasteland. Maybe...

Rajoo 05-16-2023 11:41 PM

^^And tomorrow, DeSantis will terminate the Jax city council and appoint his own council members.

Ike Bana 05-19-2023 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 418903)
^^And tomorrow, DeSantis will terminate the Jax city council and appoint his own council members.

And cut off all state funded services to residents therein...including medicaid, "Just let 'em all fucking die." said Ron DeSantis.

Oerets 05-19-2023 02:28 PM

IIRC there are Republicans not only "WOKE" Democrats on Medicaid and receive $$ from the State....

Dondilion 05-19-2023 03:39 PM

The guy is a dummy...he is banning maths books. WTF.

bobabode 05-19-2023 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 419013)
The guy is a dummy...he is banning maths books. WTF.

and you're still voting for Republicans...smh

Dondilion 05-19-2023 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 419020)
and you're still voting for Republicans...smh

I support issues, not parties. Overall the two sides are horrible. For instance, look how many years they have the debt ceiling clown show in operation.

bobabode 05-19-2023 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 419025)
I support issues, not parties. Overall the two sides are horrible. For instance, look how many years they have the debt ceiling clown show in operation.

Respectfully, your 'bothsiderism' here in this case is horse shit, Don. A cop out, if you will.

The only clowns in the debt ceiling nonsense have always been the Republicans.

Remember 10 years ago when they shut down the government including all the national parks and museums? Voters came back and gave the rightwingers a drubbing at the voting booths.

Dondilion 05-19-2023 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 419027)
Respectfully, your 'bothsiderism' here in this case is horse shit, Don. A cop out, if you will.

The only clowns in the debt ceiling nonsense have always been the Republicans.

Remember 10 years ago when they shut down the government including all the national parks and museums? Voters came back and gave the rightwingers a drubbing at the voting booths.

This debt ceiling started in 1917.
The creation of debt is bipartisan.

The question is whether any party is willing and prepared to stay within the ceiling?

Oerets 05-19-2023 06:12 PM

You know cutting spending only goes so far. Sometimes increasing income is required.

If the average person is not earning enough they take a second part time job, work over time... sell off stuff.

The government needs to look at adding revenue thru leases and taxes.

Rajoo 05-19-2023 06:20 PM

Raising of the debt ceiling is an annual ritual and remains so.
But every once in a while, the idiotic reactionary wing of the GOP rears it ugly head and sabotages the economy. Question is why and its rhetorical. Idiots will be idiots and they don't have the balls to control spending at the budget or appropriations level.

These idiots vote against spending and then take credit when it is approved over their own objections.

Dondilion 05-19-2023 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 419034)
Raising of the debt ceiling is an annual ritual and remains so.
But every once in a while, the idiotic reactionary wing of the GOP rears it ugly head and sabotages the economy. Question is why and its rhetorical. Idiots will be idiots and they don't have the balls to control spending at the budget or appropriations level.

These idiots vote against spending and then take credit when it is approved over their own objections.

With the ballooning debt, there is a need for a serious attitude to the ceiling. The ceiling should engender fiscal discipline. I agree the Republicans by and large are posturing, but at least they are drawing attention to continuing bad practices.

donquixote99 05-19-2023 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 419037)
With the ballooning debt, there is a need for a serious attitude to the ceiling. The ceiling should engender fiscal discipline. I agree the Republicans by and large are posturing, but at least they are drawing attention to continuing bad practices.

Is that what you will say when they crash the economy? They were political gangsters and thugs who tried to grab unearned power by holding the US and world economy hostage, costing us all untold billions and trillions, but at least they were calling attention to certain bad practices?

Rajoo 05-19-2023 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 419037)
With the ballooning debt, there is a need for a serious attitude to the ceiling. The ceiling should engender fiscal discipline. I agree the Republicans by and large are posturing, but at least they are drawing attention to continuing bad practices.

Ceiling is just a final tally of the amount authorized to borrow and is based on the final (deficit) spending and its after the fact. It's the spending that needs to be managed line item by line item during budget negotiations and then revenues need to be addressed to support the spending. But these are seldom done which then creates an annual debt ceiling crisis.

donquixote99 05-19-2023 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 419040)
Ceiling is just a final tally of the amount authorized to borrow and is based on the final (deficit) spending and its after the fact. It's the spending that needs to be managed line item by line item during budget negotiations and then revenues need to be addressed to support the spending. But these are seldom done which then creates an annual debt ceiling crisis.

Only because we choose to inflict this 'debt ceiling crisis' upon ourselves. In sensible countries, spending is decided upon, and revenue is decided upon, and the debt is what results, no meaningless ceiling exists.

Dondilion 05-19-2023 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 419039)
Is that what you will say when they crash the economy? They were political gangsters and thugs who tried to grab unearned power by holding the US and world economy hostage, costing us all untold billions and trillions, but at least they were calling attention to certain bad practices?



Both sides have participated in a massive printing spree and have only been saved by the fact the dollar is the reserved currency of the world.

donquixote99 05-19-2023 09:14 PM

If you compare the US economy to other global economies, we can afford it. And even if there is an issue. that makes the gangsters now holding the economy hostage the good guys?

Mark B 05-19-2023 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 419037)
With the ballooning debt, there is a need for a serious attitude to the ceiling. The ceiling should engender fiscal discipline. I agree the Republicans by and large are posturing, but at least they are drawing attention to continuing bad practices.

Repubs are certainly experts when it come to bad practices.
  • Refusal to tax sufficiently to pay for necessary programs? Repubs see NO PROBLEM.
  • Pollution and climate change causing havoc? Repubs see NO PROBLEM.
  • Lack of banking and market regulations AND (oh so clever of Repubs) enforcement understaffed & underfunded? Repubs see NO PROBLEM.
  • Infrastructure turned to shit? Repubs see NO PROBLEM

Rajoo 05-20-2023 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark B (Post 419045)
Repubs are certainly experts when it come to bad practices.
  • Refusal to tax sufficiently to pay for necessary programs? Repubs see NO PROBLEM.
  • Pollution and climate change causing havoc? Repubs see NO PROBLEM.
  • Lack of banking and market regulations AND (oh so clever of Repubs) enforcement understaffed & underfunded? Repubs see NO PROBLEM.
  • Infrastructure turned to shit? Repubs see NO PROBLEM

And then the dumb shit idiots knee cap IRS making it easy for well heeled people to avoid paying their fair share of taxes. Dumb.

And here is another kicker from the very same dumb shit idiots.

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It is in this climate that Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW) releases the 2023 Congressional Pig Book. This year's release exposes 7,396 earmarks, an increase of 43.9 percent from the 5,138 in FY 2022, at a cost of $26.1 billion, an increase of 38.1 percent from the $18.9 billion in earmarks in FY 2022.
https://www.cagw.org/reporting/pig-b...n%20FY%202022.

Oerets 05-20-2023 06:38 AM

Close to the top of the list of debts the government owes. Money borrowed from all of the workers Social Security payroll deductions since 1940.

The problem now is arising, less will be coming in then goes out a month. When it was more the extra was borrowed instead of raising taxes.

Wanna bet on the who will get stiffed?

donquixote99 05-20-2023 06:53 AM

Reagan's big increase in social security taxes was billed as assuring the future of the program. But it was just disguised income tax on the working class, making up some for GOP cuts on the upper end.

Ike Bana 05-20-2023 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 419013)
The guy is a dummy...he is banning maths books. WTF.

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 419020)
and you're still voting for Republicans...smh

Absolutely, Bob. Why? Really...this guy has to ask why???

I'll tell you why...because DeSantis knows how fucking racist, sexist, LGBTQ-phobic, and bigoted his constituency is and that it will get him re-elected as Governor and possibly elected President. These stupid fucking white supremacist christian nationalists find a politician willing to ban books (doesn't even matter which books) and that politician gets their fucking vote.

These are the 46% of American voters who cast their ballot for a sociopathic grifter hostile/malignant narcissitic rapist pig twice, and will do it a third time. And Dondillion has to ask why a politician will pander to them? Fucking really?


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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 419025)
I support issues, not parties. Overall the two sides are horrible. For instance, look how many years they have the debt ceiling clown show in operation.

The hell you support issues. Did you vote for a Republican candidate for any office in 2022? If you did, you're a goddamn hypocrite. The entire Republican party has decided to look the other way behind it's own traitorous sedition...vote for any one of them and you're a party to their traitorous behavior. There's no difference between the parties...my ass.

The rag that is the US Constitution makes it possible for politicians to threaten a default on this country's obligations if they can't put through bills that will get their vote whoring asses through the next primary season. And that really isn't the fault of either party...it's the fault of the stupid fucking electorate that puts up with it. Because...this country is getting exactly the government it deserves. The American electorate is a fucked up as the Russian electorate...in some ways even more.

Joseph de Maistre — 'Every country has the government it deserves.'

Oerets 05-20-2023 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 419048)
Reagan's big increase in social security taxes was billed as assuring the future of the program. But it was just disguised income tax on the working class, making up some for GOP cuts on the upper end.


From the get it has been seen as theirs to spend now money, not for the workers later!

donquixote99 05-20-2023 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Oerets (Post 419050)
From the get it has been seen as theirs to spend now money, not for the workers later!

True. Of course the federal government has no sensible way to save money for later, since they are always running a big deficit anyway. So Social Security taxes 'funding future benefits' have always been a scam. If there is a dedicated tax for social security it should be enough to cover that year's benefits and no more. And it should be a progressive tax like other income tax, not a flat tax shouldered by the working class and excluding the top end.

Ike Bana 05-20-2023 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 419037)
With the ballooning debt, there is a need for a serious attitude to the ceiling. The ceiling should engender fiscal discipline. I agree the Republicans by and large are posturing, but at least they are drawing attention to continuing bad practices.

Republican vote whores are playing bullshit politics with the issue of the debt ceiling. The only thing these vote whoring seditionists care about is the next primary season. Fiscal discipline? Are you fucking insane. Did Congressional Repubicans have a problem with the debt from the Trump tax reductions on corporations and the rich? No...not a fucking word. And while Trump was president they were happy to increase the debt ceiling without a fucking penny of spending cuts...fucking vote whoring hypocrites. And you vote for them. And let's not forget, the GOP is the party where the majority of the US House Republicans would have discarded the Electoral College vote. It's fucking sedition. Do you deny it? Yes or no. Was is a fraudulent election? Yes or no.

Just stop the bullshit spinning. The parties are not the same. The Democratic party supports the systems that maintain our democratic republic. The Republican party does not. You say there's no difference...my ass.


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