Abortion Duel
 

As predicted by some legal experts when the Catholic Court of the US outlawed Roe vs. Wade, its going to create a mess. Here is one.

A Texas (Trump) judge who had been licking chops to judge on this case finally ruled that the FDA approval of the two pills were botched so the pills are no longer safe to use. It had been safe to use for over twenty years but now this judge says.

Not so fast ruled a federal judge in Washington.

Wisely, the TX judge has given the FDA time to appeal his decision, but the Washington ruling is in effect. Will be very interesting how the SCOTUS decides on this and doubt they can sit on this.

Moving forward I believe that rulings on abortions for Federal judges in Red states will be totally ignored by the Blue states and we will eventually have a total disconnect between the two.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-mifepristone/

https://www.axios.com/2023/04/08/was...on-pills-texas

Two (Wrong) Mifepristone Court Rulings in One Day
https://reason.com/volokh/2023/04/08...gs-in-one-day/

IOW, this idiot TX judge's ruling has about as much strength as one of Whell's posts.

Justice Dept. is appealing the Texas Federal court ruling arguing that the plaintiff's were not harmed by the pill, so no legal standing. Bet the appeals court will stay this decision and let the anti abortionists refile an amended lawsuit. Doubt the Christian right will back down that easily.

This is going all the way to the bottom, oops the top! To the Supreme court baby!

Medical experts should make medical decisions. Legislators should legislate. And republicans should shed the whole MAGA trump thing and go back to being real republicans.

Wow, there is an abortion pill!

That explains why so many areas are devoid of children.

A whole generation missing, canceled.

It's not abortion pills. It's birth control pills.

Takes two to tango.
The other sex involved in a pregnancy can take effective steps to prevent it from happening too.

Don't want kids get snipped!
Wear something... :rolleyes:
Take some responsibility man..:rolleyes:

The patient is too far gone to be saved. It's the tRumplican party now. The non-infected members of the party are leaving or have already left. The sad part is that it will take a large segment of our republic down the toilet with it.

Birth control pills are before conception. Abortion pills are after conception.

But, the whole Roe V Wade ruling made no sense because you really have to make bizarre mental contortions to find a right to abortion in the constitution.

It is just not in there. Pro or con.
Elected leaders need to make laws.

Some circuit court judge can determine that termination after conception is technically abortion.
But, seems meaningless in most states that don't prohibit abortion for several weeks at least.


North Carolina where I live has a Republican Legislature with a veto proof majority and we have 20 weeks to figure out what you want to do. Nothing has changed.

Never happen. On the other hand, birth control on demand for the ones who otherwise give birth is one of the most revolutionary changes of the 20th century, and there is precious little discussion about it. But it is certainly a big contributor to the world-wide decline in birthrates in high and middle-income countries, that has put dozens of countries in the 'below replacement' birthrate category.

My point was just to respond to the assertion that abortion pills have had a huge impact on birthrate. They have not. The other pills have.

OK. I see Desantis signed a bill to limit abortion to six weeks.

Hell, some women normally may go six weeks between periods occasionally.

I think that is a little extreme. I also think an abortion the day before or during birth is extreme.

I think 15 to 20 weeks is a balance probably 80% of the population can deal with. Less the fanatics on both sides.

Family planning and birth control is what has impacted the birthrate.

In India, population increase became unmanageable until the education level improved. Today in cities, families in educated households, hard pressed to find more than two children, concept being 'replacing ourselves'.

Also the SCOTUS stayed 5th Court of Appeals and for now the two pills are legal till this Wednesday. The Catholic Court while repealing Roe vs. Wade, kicked the abortion controversy to the states and now its back in the court since this involves the FDA, a federal matter.

Third trimester abortions are only done when the mothers life is threatened AND the fetus is not viable. When the fetus is viable it will be delivered surgically, not aborted.

"I also think an abortion the day before or during birth is extreme."
Needs more straw...

As usual, he is rabble rousing. Abortions after 20 weeks are extremely rare and usually due to medical reasons, not a yea/nay choice by the women.

Said nothing about the reason why, just a period society might agree on.

Anti-abortionists would have people believe that there are abortion doctors out there murdering babies at birth.

So, when confronted with your shitfilled lie you dissemble with some lame excuse. You really haven't changed one bit after getting a new lease on life, Robbie m'lad.

Since Roe vs Wade we had consensus about abortions until the Catholic Supreme Court decided to upend Roe vs Wade and leave it up to the states. Why now must a single Federal judge decide for the whole country? Or for a Forced Birthers court of appeals partially side with this judge, again deciding for the whole country when its now up to the states?

My issue is not just with abortion but activist judges not leaving this up to the states. And we know this is to prevent women from states which ban abortions seeking abortions in other states.

It was a can of worms from the beginning. Even Ginsberg said it was"bad law" . Not that it was a bad idea to give women the choice, just that it was not in the Constitution.

The whole idea of activist judges is something new to me, or maybe I just missed it. They do not make law being the intention I presumed. Just interpret what the legislative branch decides.

Seems like at this point in history the legislative branch does not have the balls to make a decision on much of anything.

"Not in the constitution only started with repeal of R vs W and I believe its a term Allioto's penned. Constitution is interpreted by the SCOTUS, its their job.

Where is the word gun in the constitution.
How does the SCOTUS equate corporations with we the people?
Where is lobbying with unlimited money stated in the constitution other than an expansion of the right to petition?

She said no such thing. Educate yourself before posting blatant lies. Are you Whell's brother? :confused:

https://www.newsweek.com/ruth-bader-...scotus-1702948

Newsweek LOL.

You do realize Katie Couric intentionally omitted that part of her responses in their interview because it did not fit the narrative.

Educate yourself, or not.

Who the hell said anything about Katie Couric? :confused:

For your education, Justice Ginsburg, whose name you can't even spell correctly, never said it was "bad law". She said it was decided incorrectly, and would be overturned. She was 100% correct. It should have been decided on a stronger basis of law, as it will be, eventually.

So, decided incorrectly and overturned is something different than bad law.

I see. I don't really give a shit how you spell her name. I did respect her.

N.C. Republicans pass 12-week abortion ban, setting up showdown with governor

What is interesting with this bill is the way this was passed and to make matters worse, a House member just switched parties (D-->R) giving the Repubs super majority to override the certain veto by Gov. Roy Cooper (R). Interestingly only about 30% of NC residents are anti abortion, so much for our vaunted democracy.

This is how MAGA is done if anyone is wondering. Screw you if you don't like it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-abortion-ban/