Liz Cheney for President?
 

Do you think Liz Cheney will run for president if/when she loses her current position?

Do you think she would have a chance at the presidency?

Yes if she got the Republican nomination, but she won't. If she ran third party she'd get some Republican votes, and some independent votes that would have gone Democratic. Don't know which side she'd hurt more. But if both major party candidates had real high negatives (say, Trump vs Biden) she might actually win that way.

She may indeed run in an effort to get on the debate stage with Trump and/or other MAGA candidates and rip them a new asshole for their dishonesty and criminality, but she has no chance in today's GOP where dishonesty and criminality seem to be essential qualities in a candidate.

You both make good points.

I don't think she has a chance in 2024, but perhaps later. I would hope that she challenges Trump for the nomination in 2024 though, it can only help her since she will gain nation wide recognition, always a plus for an ambitious politician.

Should be very interesting if she picks Trump apart citing misdeeds from all of the ongoing investigations. Like why did you steal government documents? Why did you incite your supporters from the January 6th rally? Wonder though how the GOP will respond if no one else challenges Trump for the nomination.

If TFG were free to run again there is zero chance he'd appear in a debate with Liz Cheney for that very reason. As a third party candidate I think hurt the GOP more. I think she'd get more Independents and sane Repubs that can't bring themselves to vote Democrat than Democrat crossover voters. This could work against tRump or any trump-like candidate

Not to mention that it takes $$$$ to run for Prez. Not only has she blown through a sizable chunk of money for her re-election bid, she'd then need to attract donors in a hurry between now and 2024.

I don't see her attracting that many donors, especially the deep-pockets types that are needed by national candidates. I think she has more name recognition among Dems than Repubs, and the only thing most Repubs know about her is that she and her family hate Trump. Hating someone else is hardly a campaign message that will galvanize and motivate donors, or voters for that matter.

Untrue.

She is likely to finish the race with a substantial unspent war chest, reflecting both the ease with which she raised money from anti-Trump donors across the country and the futility of dumping millions of dollars into a lost cause. Three weeks ago, she still had $7.4 million in the bank in a state where TV ads are cheap.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ture-rcna43046

If Trump were a typical political animal, I'd agree with you. He's not, though, and I think he'd salivate at a chance to be on a debate stage with her. Whether it would be to his detriment or not, one can only speculate.

It used to be that men going after women in a debate didn't play well on TV: I'm thinking Rick Lazio for example. I think a lot has changed in our society between 2000 and today.

Indeed. Cruelty and misogyny are now considered desirable traits in today's GOP.

OK, stipulated. I still think as a national candidate she'd be at a fundraising disadvantage, and $7.4 MM is chump change compared to what has been spent in recent US Prez elections: https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ng-since-1979/

I agree that she has no chance in today's proto-fascist GOP. It prefers unhinged lunatics like MTG, Boebert, Kari Lake, Stefanik and Blackburn who are willing to go on stage and debase themselves with lies, fealty to the party crime boss, and unwavering adherence to the Big Lie.

You go, boy! :rolleyes:

Truth hurts, eh?;)

Does not bode well from someone looking for meaningful discourse. What is your "excuse" for Defund "FBI" or for "Shooters Grill" with wait staff sporting side arms?

Not if you prefer alternate facts.

He would love to be able to go after Cheney the way he went after Hillary in their first debate. Anyone hosting such a debate would take steps to curtail this. Also I think Cheney would be ready for Donny as predictable as he is. Also I think she would not be as concerned as Hillary with being polite.

Guess we"ll never know. Looks like Cheney lost BIG tonight.

Which simply proves that there are a whole lot of incredibly ignorant, gullible fools who are allowed to vote. Shameful.

Which will leave her freed up to campaign for the WH and losing to a tRumper can be seen as a plus to the non-cult crowd.

I was going to say "gullible magamegamorons", you are a tad more charitable.

Human brains are equipped with some of nature's finest circuitry for the purpose of ensuring we don't do things that could get us ostracized from our community. In Wyoming, that means you don't vote for Liz Cheney this time.

I guess that circuitry disconnects the brain from the backbone?

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images...uh_400x400.jpg

More often than not.

Stephen Bush @stephenkb

"What does her defeat tell us about the future of US democracy? The clearest message is that the Republican party has become an authoritarian cult."

@EdwardGLuce on the GOP and the defeat of Liz Cheney:

The truth that set Liz Cheney free
Her lonely stance against Donald Trump was seen as treachery by today’s cult-like Republicans
https://www.ft.com/content/9c4e8691-...3-c75c992297f8

5:40 AM · Aug 17, 2022·Twitter Web App

MAGAMorons. Simple, despicable, misinformed fools.

"Democrats enamored of Liz Cheney seem to have amnesia,
I admire her loyalty to the Constitution and her efforts to reform the Republican Party. But I won’t be blinded by her light."
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...-run-rcna43504

Liz Cheney is principled and courageous, and has been essential in the current crisis. I'm fully aware of the defects in her worldview, but the above is true nonetheless.

I don't get it. Liz Cheney before the second impeachment voted with tRump and Repubs 93% of the time, she and her family have been Repub conservatives for life yet Reich-Wing media and tRump apologists love to say she and her family have a lifelong hatred for him.

She will be vindicated once we get details on the documents Trump stole from the WH. Newsweek, not always reliable anymore, is reporting that one of the docs had payroll info of our foreign intelligence.

Usually I expect something like this on NYT, so still a bit suspicious. Or if true, its probably too late.

https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-t...ayroll-1733230

Aside from all the cult politics and other distractions, I just don't think voters would vote a woman into the office of president. I don't think we are there yet.

Hillary won the popular vote by 2.9 million. We're there; the antiquated Electoral College, which favors the Redneck states, isn't.

She's a RINO because the party left conservative Replubicans for fealty to an incompetent unfit dictatorial demagogue as the Trump party. She hasn't changed, nor those like her left holding the Conservative Replublican standard. The magamorons richly deserve their standard bearer as everything he truly is.

I'm there Barbara. Gender does not factor into who I vote for.

It may come down to Liz as the anti-Trump traditional Conservative Republican VS a DeSatantis Trump fringe radical without Trump's baggage, the Con's vs the conn'ed.
(The typo is a Spell check Freudian slip, and I'm leaving it as-is)

I admire Liz Cheney for her dedication to the Constitution and the rule of law.

While I don't agree with her ideology, I believe she would be a good President.

I trust if Liz does make a try for the presidency, she will have sense to go third party from the get-go, and skip getting clobbered in the Republican primaries first.

I will disagree. She voted with/for trump 93% in the House and raised money for his re-election. Perhaps the insurrection rubbed her the wrong way or she has had an awakening, but if she is a representative of the GOP, she will bring all their baggage to the table. And the GOP is controlled by the Federalist Society.

If she runs as an independent, she will siphon a lot of the women and idealist votes.

Perhaps not so much, if constantly reminded of her support of regressive policies.
Nonetheless, she is at least in normal range of rationality compared to the Trumpists.

I don't trust the GOP and their dirty tricks, in fact less now with the constant Social Media buzz.

Let's not forget, Kerry getting swift boated for looking French, a veteran who had fought for this country. Hillary got Benghazied for being married to a Clinton.

They will spin and brand Liz Cheney as a lifelong Soshialist. I would not put it past them to photo-shop a picture of her sitting on Obama's lap. :mad:

As long as Trump gets the headlines and Liz lives in their echo chamber, they will paint Trump as the great savior.

Does Pence figure into this as another not-Trump/ not-Dem' alternative candidate to the Trumpist KKKlandidates?

That 93% Cheney supported represents the conservative Republican agenda which does not violate the Constitution or the law. While I disagree with the conservative Republican agenda I recognize it as a legitimate political philosophy.