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whell 07-09-2022 06:56 PM

Arrested for threatening to kill Ted Cruz and others
 
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/houston-...nator-ted-cruz

"Every last one of your republican colleagues to have signed off on that platform is to be found, and is to be found and killed, be it by a bullet to the face or by the smashing of a brick in your skull. It is a civic duty of every American citizen or resident to see to it that every last one of your colleagues is to be killed. Killed. Be it by finding you in a public space or by trailing you to your very, by your very public homes. The addresses of which are public knowledge. You and every one of your colleagues is to be shot dead. Found and killed. You sick pieces of human scum will not have the (explicit) audacity to aggressive any further and to strip us of our rights like you did our grandparents so many years ago. You’ll be found and killed. As a civic do you have every American to do so (explicit). (explicit) Rafael. You piece of human scum."

The angry Left...

Chicks 07-09-2022 07:04 PM

Kinzinger, on Jan. 6 panel, shares profane threats sent to his office

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-jan-6-attack/

The angry, dumbass, idiotic far Reich MAGAMorons, a few of which post here, sadly.

bobabode 07-09-2022 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 408289)
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/houston-...nator-ted-cruz

"Every last one of your republican colleagues to have signed off on that platform is to be found, and is to be found and killed, be it by a bullet to the face or by the smashing of a brick in your skull. It is a civic duty of every American citizen or resident to see to it that every last one of your colleagues is to be killed. Killed. Be it by finding you in a public space or by trailing you to your very, by your very public homes. The addresses of which are public knowledge. You and every one of your colleagues is to be shot dead. Found and killed. You sick pieces of human scum will not have the (explicit) audacity to aggressive any further and to strip us of our rights like you did our grandparents so many years ago. You’ll be found and killed. As a civic do you have every American to do so (explicit). (explicit) Rafael. You piece of human scum."

The angry Left...

Have you even looked at the incredible torrent of threats and killings by the right? Heather Heyer? Any of the countless African Americans killed by the police at the slightest fucking provocation?

Grow the fuck up, Mike.

bobabode 07-09-2022 07:15 PM

Talk about a broad brush. This crap takes the cake.

Rajoo 07-09-2022 09:06 PM

Man gets 4-years for making racist threats to Obama and Rep. Waters
Stephen J. Taubert, 61, called a Capitol Police officer ‘n----r boy’ 30 times during an interview
https://rollcall.com/2019/05/01/man-...nd-rep-waters/

Obama election spurs race threats, crimes
Police have documented a range of alleged hate crimes, from vandalism and vague threats to at least one physical attack, since the election of Barack Obama.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna27738018

But for the racist right, they can't have any threats against one of their own? Even against a useless, spineless, gutless creature like Ted Who?

From Woman of the Year Liz Cheney. :D

Quote:

"Trump broke Ted Cruz," Cheney told the network. "A real man would be defending his wife, and his father, and the Constitution."
I realize this is whataboutism and its fun since I detest Cruz.

finnbow 07-10-2022 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 408289)
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/houston-...nator-ted-cruz

"Every last one of your republican colleagues to have signed off on that platform is to be found, and is to be found and killed, be it by a bullet to the face or by the smashing of a brick in your skull. It is a civic duty of every American citizen or resident to see to it that every last one of your colleagues is to be killed. Killed. Be it by finding you in a public space or by trailing you to your very, by your very public homes. The addresses of which are public knowledge. You and every one of your colleagues is to be shot dead. Found and killed. You sick pieces of human scum will not have the (explicit) audacity to aggressive any further and to strip us of our rights like you did our grandparents so many years ago. You’ll be found and killed. As a civic do you have every American to do so (explicit). (explicit) Rafael. You piece of human scum."

The angry Left...

“If you killed Ted Cruz on the floor of the Senate, and the trial was in the Senate, nobody would convict you.”

- Lindsey Graham (R-SC)

Joking aside, your attempt at equivalency is lame. Per the FBI, right-wing violence is the biggest domestic threat the nation faces. In fact, since 2015, right-wing extremists have been involved in 267 plots or attacks and 91 fatalities, the data shows. At the same time, attacks and plots ascribed to far-left views accounted for 66 incidents leading to 19 deaths. In other words, right-wing extremism is nearly 5X as dangerous as left-wing extremism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...errorism-data/

init4fun 07-10-2022 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 408294)
In fact, since 2015, right-wing extremists have been involved in 267 plots or attacks and 91 fatalities, the data shows. At the same time, attacks and plots ascribed to far-left views accounted for 66 incidents leading to 19 deaths. In other words, right-wing extremism is nearly 5X as dangerous as left-wing extremism.

Simple solution = get rid of extremists on both sides, and save the USA from 333 incidents and save 110 people ;)

Yes, the above statement IS tongue in cheek, but in reality I've long believed the only political party here in the USA should be "The party of the United States of America". People aligned with political parties WILL put party affiliation ahead of what's actually good for the country. Oh, and, while I'm talkin fantasy land, PACs should be outlawed as well. Let the so called "public servants" who have become "The ruling class" actually live on the base pay for whatever position they hold, without the whole "Nicky Pockets" deal goin on.

This is the reason I've never belonged to either party, in practice George Washington woulda had the whole lot of em shot for treason......

(some background on ol Nicky Pockets)

https://www.bostonherald.com/2014/01...rom-our-state/

init4fun 07-10-2022 08:18 AM

A bit of light reading of President Washington's beliefs regarding political parties......

https://www.mountvernon.org/george-w...tical-parties/

donquixote99 07-10-2022 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by init4fun (Post 408295)
Simple solution = get rid of extremists on both sides, and save the USA from 333 incidents and save 110 people ;)

Yes, the above statement IS tongue in cheek, but in reality I've long believed the only political party here in the USA should be "The party of the United States of America". People aligned with political parties WILL put party affiliation ahead of what's actually good for the country. Oh, and, while I'm talkin fantasy land, PACs should be outlawed as well. Let the so called "public servants" who have become "The ruling class" actually live on the base pay for whatever position they hold, without the whole "Nicky Pockets" deal goin on.

This is the reason I've never belonged to either party, in practice George Washington woulda had the whole lot of em shot for treason......

(some background on ol Nicky Pockets)

https://www.bostonherald.com/2014/01...rom-our-state/

Washington of course took a dark view of parties, but he certainly wouldn't have had any lot shot for treason. He didn't have any Whisky Rebellion participants shot, instead he pardoned the two that actually were convicted of treason and would have been hung.

Pio1980 07-10-2022 09:25 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Maybe this?

donquixote99 07-10-2022 09:30 AM

Just dipped a toe into the Boston Herald, where feature writer Howie Carr contributes column after column laced with stuff like this:

Quote:

"C’mon down, Brian Deese, director of Dementia Joe Biden’s National Economic Council. Last week, Deese was asked on CNN how long the American people would have to cope with outrageously high gas prices in the wake of a war in eastern Europe that nobody cares about."
This is the sort of analysis that informs conservative opinion these days?

init4fun 07-10-2022 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 408297)
Washington of course took a dark view of parties, but he certainly wouldn't have had any lot shot for treason. He didn't have any Whisky Rebellion participants shot, instead he pardoned the two that actually were convicted of treason and would have been hung.

Yeah, hung VS shot, and your right he wouldn't have..... But maybe shoulda?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 408298)
Maybe this?

pio, if this forum had likes, I'd give your post one here in a heartbeat ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 408299)
Just dipped a toe into the Boston Herald, where feature writer Howie Carr contributes column after column laced with stuff like this:



This is the sort of analysis that informs conservative opinion these days?

To be fair, Howie skewers both the right and the left equally, he pretty much hates all politicians for being, , , well, politicians :D

Chicks 07-10-2022 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 408299)
Just dipped a toe into the Boston Herald, where feature writer Howie Carr contributes column after column laced with stuff like this:



This is the sort of analysis that informs conservative opinion these days?

Sadly, The Federalist is where they go these days, right up there with the NRA's horrific propaganda site. Pure fascism, yet all the recent SCOTUS appointees came up through the Federalist ranks.

RickeyM 07-10-2022 10:39 AM

http://www.politicalchat.org/attachm...1&d=1657463103

If we took all the money out of politics and made it less lucrative than it is now we'd have very few of todays office holders willing to do the job. That IMO would probably be a good thing. Oh we could give the officeholders room & board plus living expenses but perhaps get rid of the ones who's job #1 is to get reelected.

RickeyM 07-10-2022 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 408289)
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/houston-...nator-ted-cruz

"Every last one of your republican colleagues to have signed off on that platform is to be found, and is to be found and killed, be it by a bullet to the face or by the smashing of a brick in your skull. It is a civic duty of every American citizen or resident to see to it that every last one of your colleagues is to be killed. Killed. Be it by finding you in a public space or by trailing you to your very, by your very public homes. The addresses of which are public knowledge. You and every one of your colleagues is to be shot dead. Found and killed. You sick pieces of human scum will not have the (explicit) audacity to aggressive any further and to strip us of our rights like you did our grandparents so many years ago. You’ll be found and killed. As a civic do you have every American to do so (explicit). (explicit) Rafael. You piece of human scum."

The angry Left...

Just what constitutes the "Angry Left"? Where's the line between the "Angry Left" the "Pissed Off Left" and the "Merely Annoyed" Left or do they all come under the same heading of the "Angry Left"?

Rajoo 07-10-2022 11:09 AM

In case anyone has forgotten who started down this road.

https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/mt...hairs%20NJ.jpg

Yes, some could argue that this is as benign as bulleted text, but then again cross hairs are associated with guns and violence.

Chicks 07-10-2022 11:28 PM

https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...69169864_n.jpg

whell 07-11-2022 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 408290)
Kinzinger, on Jan. 6 panel, shares profane threats sent to his office

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-jan-6-attack/

The angry, dumbass, idiotic far Reich MAGAMorons, a few of which post here, sadly.

The name-calling as opposed to the discussion technique is used when someone has nothing of value to add to a discussion....and is used by a few who post here, sadly.

whell 07-11-2022 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 408291)
Have you even looked at the incredible torrent of threats and killings by the right? Heather Heyer? Any of the countless African Americans killed by the police at the slightest fucking provocation?

Grow the fuck up, Mike.

Whataboutism.

Sure I have. But as your post demonstrates, folks here are far more interested in focusing on "threats and killings by the right", and mentioning such behavior when it occurs "by the left" is not terribly welcome.

The "countless African Americans killed by the police at the slightest fucking provocation" are discussed here in detail. Yet, the increase in police fatalities in the line of duty is way up, and not discussed much at all.

Hell, the ongoing increase in gun violence not directed at cops, and not directed randomly or in "mass-shootings", is so out of control is some cities - the cities these officers work in - that the city is calling in the Feds to help with enforcement.

"As of today, we’ve had 320 people shot in the city. Last year on June 6, we had more than 420," (Detroit Mayor) Duggan said. "We had more than 100 of our residents murdered this year. When you can have an 11-year-old girl in a home with a grandmother and five other children ... dancing joyously in the house and have a bullet come through and kill you, it hits very hard. It hits me personally, it hits the chief personally."

"Grow the fuck up"? I thought you were better than that. Oh well.

whell 07-11-2022 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 408294)
[I]

Joking aside, your attempt at equivalency is lame.


...as is your attempt to change the subject.

whell 07-11-2022 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 408299)
Just dipped a toe into the Boston Herald, where feature writer Howie Carr contributes column after column laced with stuff like this:



This is the sort of analysis that informs conservative opinion these days?

Sounds like that same stuff one might get from MSNBC, CNN, Washington Post, New York Times etc. on any given day.

whell 07-11-2022 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 408303)
Just what constitutes the "Angry Left"? Where's the line between the "Angry Left" the "Pissed Off Left" and the "Merely Annoyed" Left or do they all come under the same heading of the "Angry Left"?

Well, just in this thread alone, I've been called an idiot, a dumb-ass, and a moron, and told to "grow the fuck up". Sounds like some folks have some anger issues to me...along with the usual issues like the inability to stay on topic.

Not Insane 07-11-2022 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 408340)
Well, just in this thread alone, I've been called an idiot, a dumb-ass, and a moron, and told to "grow the fuck up". Sounds like some folks have some anger issues to me...along with the usual issues like the inability to stay on topic.

That's how it tends to work here. The primary weapons of the left are:

ad hom attack
projection
deflection.

And just to put the last nail in their coffin, please show me the equivalent to this video where, regarding calls for violence (or lack thereof) Republican leaders self own as well as democrats do:

https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/s...90897922453504
And here is a similar but a bit longer compilation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J31rXRjryFA

In all seriousness, I'm not seeing it anywhere.

One of my favorite comments under one of those videos so speaks to what I've been saying for years is this: "The Democrats mantra is, 'Accuse others of what we are doing.'" That's why leftists calling me a fascist is so comical.

Not Insane 07-11-2022 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 408336)
The name-calling as opposed to the discussion technique is used when someone has nothing of value to add to a discussion....and is used by a few who post here, sadly.

Have you noticed the left brings up "average" people making threats, which can be easily compiled from the fringe of all sides. But I challenge them to come up with anything similar to the compilation of statements made by the left's LEADERSHIP that I included in my previous post.

You can always find nut jobs on the dark fringe of every side of an issue. But that doesn't mean everyone that politically agrees with them is a nutjob. But when their leadership slides into that dark abyss, they have a serious problem, and may want to "rethink their lives".

Fortunately, most of us do exactly that as we mature. But some never mature.

Not Insane 07-11-2022 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 408339)
Sounds like that same stuff one might get from MSNBC, CNN, Washington Post, New York Times etc. on any given day.

My mantra: Never trust a source that had to pay Nick Sandmann a settlement.:D

Rajoo 07-11-2022 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Insane (Post 408346)
My mantra: Never trust a source that had to pay Nick Sandmann a settlement.:D

Poster child (quite literally) and inspiration for the movie "Making of a MAGA Moron"?

Not Insane 07-11-2022 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 408350)
Poster child (quite literally) and inspiration for the movie "Making of a MAGA Moron"?

Your post reminded me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t8YdTzHTp4

BTW, his mother is a personal friend of my wife's friend who lives in the area. We've talked about it at length. I'm privy to some fun details that I really am not at liberty to share. ;)

Chicks 07-11-2022 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 408337)
Whataboutism.

Yes, your thread is exactly that.

Federalist, libertarian Cruz has been hated by his fellow senators on both sides of the aisle for years, as he's a complete a$$hole. Even his conservative law professor has called him a fool.

Not Insane 07-11-2022 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 408353)
Yes, your thread is exactly that.

Federalist, libertarian Cruz has been hated by his fellow senators on both sides of the aisle for years, as he's a complete a$$hole. Even his conservative law professor has called him a fool.

Two things: All threads are "whataboutism". That's why they get started. And regading senators on both sides, yep. Kinda like Trump.

When you are not part of the uniparty, the uniparty doesn't like you. I prefer to judge senators by their records.

finnbow 07-11-2022 12:29 PM

Arrested for threatening to kill Ted Cruz and others
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Insane (Post 408355)
Two things: All threads are "whataboutism". That's why they get started. And regading senators on both sides, yep. Kinda like Trump.

When you are not part of the uniparty, the uniparty doesn't like you. I prefer to judge senators by their records.


What uniparty? If you are so far to the right that you think that AOC and MTG (as well as Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders) share the same ideology, you are either a died-in-the-wool fascist or stupid enough to accept every idiotic meme from the wingnut outrage/infotainment complex (or both).

finnbow 07-11-2022 12:43 PM

Arrested for threatening to kill Ted Cruz and others
 
Here is a interesting and disturbing take on the GOP and its descent into the use of political violence to achieve its aims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...tic-breakdown/

Chicks 07-11-2022 12:44 PM

This defines the Insane Clown and his ilk:

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Christian_fascism

whell 07-11-2022 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 408353)
Yes, your thread is exactly that.

Federalist, libertarian Cruz has been hated by his fellow senators on both sides of the aisle for years, as he's a complete a$$hole. Even his conservative law professor has called him a fool.

Interesting that, in your view, this apparently justifies the threat to kill him.

finnbow 07-11-2022 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 408359)
This defines the Insane Clown and his ilk:

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Christian_fascism


Fascism is a well-defined ideology which (rightly) suffers from tons of historical baggage. Accordingly, the American far-right readily and willfully accepts, promotes, and praises the tenets of fascism, but adamantly opposes the use of the word to describe their chosen ideology and their leaders who ascribe to it.

finnbow 07-11-2022 01:04 PM

Arrested for threatening to kill Ted Cruz and others
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 408362)
Interesting that, in your view, this apparently justifies the threat to kill him.


It seems to me that supporters of the Trump brand of fascism and its attendant political violence have no standing to criticize the exceedingly less frequent instances from the left. Moreover, conservative politicians openly cozy up to those on their side who support political violence (Proud Boys, 3 Percenters, sovereign citizens), whereas Democratic politicians do not. Hell, the biggest incidence of political violence in over 150 years has been called tourism and peaceful protest by the GOP.

Chicks 07-11-2022 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 408362)
Interesting that, in your view, this apparently justifies the threat to kill him.

Um, what!? How the hell did you get that!?

Rajoo 07-11-2022 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 408358)
Here is a interesting and disturbing take on the GOP and its descent into the use of political violence to achieve its aims.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...tic-breakdown/


Thanks for the link Finn. This situation is exacerbated by the fact a lot of people in Law Enforcement and even the Secret Service are Trumpers. The GOP candidate for governor of Nevada currently Sheriff of Clark County (Las Vegas) is a certified MAGAt.

PS: We are now legal residents of Nevada though I still have my business in CA.

Rajoo 07-11-2022 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 408362)
Interesting that, in your view, this apparently justifies the threat to kill him.

As usual, you are rabble rousing.

But since a deep freeze drove Cruz to seek asylum in Cancun, wonder what a death threat could do. Move back to Canada perhaps.

donquixote99 07-11-2022 01:25 PM

One of many insights from Finbow's WP link:

Quote:

Russia is propagating an alternative model. It’s a White, Christian, traditional hierarchy, very masculine, led by a strongman — and they’re spreading that model globally, through satellites like Hungary, and through online white-supremacist movements that they back.

whell 07-11-2022 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 408357)
What uniparty? If you are so far to the right that you think that AOC and MTG (as well as Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders) share the same ideology, you are either a died-in-the-wool fascist or stupid enough to accept every idiotic meme from the wingnut outrage/infotainment complex (or both).

Show me the "right-wing" equivalent of the cancel culture. It doesn't exist. The left has weaponized rhetoric such that certain opinions are just not welcome, and people who utter those opinions are demonized and in many cases, their livelihoods are impacted.

Similarly, show me the "right-wing" equivalent of folks parading outside the homes of SCOTUS judges attempting to intimidate or influence their decisions. Protest is great, go protest outside the Supreme Court building. And, of course, it seems to be just fine with Merrick Garland and the DOJ, because...

Show me the right-wing equivalent of the attorneys general of several blue states publicly stating that they will not enforce the law, and covering themselves by twisting the definition of "prosecutorial discretion" to cover their actions.

In Garland's case, he stated that authorities would "take all appropriate actions to further enhance the security of justices and the court." I guess Garland thinks that "appropriate action" is no action, particularly if that means brooming the protestors out of the neighborhood. "Prosecutorial discretion", I guess.

Speaking of SCOTUS show me the right-wing equivalent of a US Senator standing on the steps of the Supreme Court and threatening the Justices, as Schummer did. Or a President calling the Supreme Court "extreme and dangerous" in an international press conference.


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