Roe v Wade: The lighter side
 

I would have thought, especially with the ramped-up sensitivities on this issue, that a comedian couldn't get away with making jokes about the subject of abortion. This guy does it, and it's actually well done and funny as hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhWlzOrsSUU

Just sharing this to show at least one example that levity in discourse - not pointed at any individual or group in particular - is still possible.

This is not a laughing matter, but I will post it here anyway.

Arrest Made in Rape of Ohio 10-Year-Old Who Had to Travel Out of State for Abortion

This story is straightforward. 10 year old gets raped, Ohio's trigger law said no abortion and she traveled to Indiana to get an abortion.

But......

And the Ohio AG said this first and then later changed his story.



https://www.thedailybeast.com/columb...a-for-abortion

""Republican AG says he'll investigate Indiana doctor who provided care to 10-year-old rape victim""

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/...l&uh_test=1_11




""Ohio’s Republican attorney general, Dave Yost, said on Fox News Monday that there was no evidence of a report being filed for the 10-year-old's case.""


???? We don't need no stinking fact or truths...


https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/...-abortion.html

""Arrest prompts criticism of Republicans like AG Dave Yost who questioned story of 10-year-old rape victim who left Ohio to get an abortion""

WTF

Adding insult to injury,

Republican AG says he'll investigate Indiana doctor who provided care to 10-year-old rape victim

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/...l&uh_test=1_11

Makes one wonder what these people's priorities are, certainly not to serve the people.

In what world, society is a ten year old pregnant girl not a rape? They can’t be implying it was God ‘s intent for this to happen now could they?

But...you leave out a pretty significant point. If our borders were more secure and we were intent on enforcing immigration law, this rape may never have happened. The perp was in the country illegally.

Preventing crimes, be it this case or any other, involves an honest look at all the facts surrounding the criminal act. In this case, a preventive measure would have been protecting US citizens from risks associated with having a porous border.

Typical conservative bait and switch after being caught in a bald-faced lie accusing a 10-year old rape victim of lying and being compelled to leave Ohio for an abortion. Now instead of admitting that they lied (on Fox News, WSJ, in Congress, the Ohio AG and elsewhere), they change their message to cater to their base's xenophobia. Needless to say, Whell is willing to pick up that torch.

AFAIK, there is no data to suggest that illegal immigrants engage in rape more than anyone else. Indeed, one the most outspoken liars in this episode is Gym Jordan, a guy with a history of denying sexual assaults.

Ol' Whell really can't help himself. He just apes the words of his "heroes".

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2017/...0%2C600&zoom=1

I guess it's really bad to ask legitimate questions. :rolleyes:

I think it's been established that the police became aware of this incident not via a police report filed by the girl's parent or guardian, but by a report from the County Children Services. The notoriety of the case proceeded any involvement from law enforcement. So, I'm not sure why you'd suggest that questions are off-limits.

I can only speculate why it went down that way. My first guess, and that's all it is, is that many families try to keep such incidents private. If I were this girl's parents, the last thing I'd want is for the world to find out that my 10-year-old daughter had been violated in this way. The last thing they probably wanted was to have the Columbus paper make their daughter national news.

I think the Columbus paper committed a horrendous case of journalistic malpractice here. The story wasn't even really about the girl. It was a salacious opening to a story about the impact that the SCOTUS decision was having on abortion clinics in general, so the girl's story was USED as a way to make sure eyeballs got on the story.

Unfortunately, now that Biden and the pro-choice crowd have elected to make this girl's case their cause celebre, her anonymity is now at risk. Some enterprising "journalist" is going to find out who she is. Maybe some pro-choice whack job will try to make a poster child out of her.

You've elevated the skills to changing the subject and making a strawman into unique art forms, Chicks. Bravo.

Typical lazy debate tactic of using the actions of a few - and certainly not my action - to try and demonize anyone they disagree with.

So, the negative consequences/reactions to a 10-year old being forced out of state for an abortion due to overly restrictive GOP-sponsored abortion laws is Biden's fault? That's a decidedly tough sell that will only work on MAGAMorons willing to buy into it (like you).

The 10-year-old Ohio girl who crossed state lines to receive an abortion in Indiana should have carried her pregnancy to term and would be required to do so under a model law written for state legislatures considering more restrictive abortion measures, according to the general counsel for the National Right to Life.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...-ohio-00045843

This is the reason that conservatives are now trying to change the subject on this particular Ohio case. They're like the dog who finally caught the car.

I call this Bullshit Whell and only works with the MAGA Morons who like idiots repeat the Frightwing talking points.

Why didn't the GOP Congress when they had the monopoly give any money to Trump for his wall? Remember, that was the big promise the Dotard made to get elected.

Also answer this, why did the AG of Ohio and the asshole Jim Jordan claim that the girl was lying? Wouldn't the AG of a state look into this first instead putting his foot in his mouth considering the resources at his disposal? And you blame President Biden for bringing this to light?

The fact the rapist is an illegal alien has no bearing on her rape and subsequent out of state visit for abortion.

You must be mistaking me for your pals in Reich-wing "News". :rolleyes:

Speaking of wingnut news,

When the Indianapolis Star published a story two weeks ago about a 10-year-old rape victim from Ohio who traveled to Indiana for an abortion, it was inevitable that it would get national attention. The story rocketed around social media, and President Biden cited it as evidence of harm done by the rush to restrict abortion in Republican states such as Ohio after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade.

As it spread, the conservative media swung into action to tell their audiences something different: This story simply must be a lie, a fabrication, a hoax. You know how those liberals are.

In fact, the story is true. Police in Columbus have now arrested and charged a man with the crime.

This is a perfect case study of how conservative media operate and the function they serve for their audiences, sometimes filling their heads with nonsense and sometimes affixing blinders so that inconvenient facts can be denied.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...abortion-hoax/

You can call it whatever you want. Doesn't negate the fact that we wouldn't even be talking about this case if the perp was blocked from illegally entering the country.

As far as I know, no elected officials have called the girl a liar. I had to look it up, but Jordan's text was: "Another lie. Anyone surprised?" I believe he was referring to the Columbus Dispatch and the story itself, not the girl.

Context matters here because the original Columbus Dispatch story really wasn't about the 10-year-old girl. The story opens with the girl's story, but then 90% + of the rest of the story is about how terrible it is that women have to make other plans and jump through hoops to get an abortion. But I certainly understand why some folks would frame this as "Jordan called a 10-year-old girl a liar".

As far as why the wall didn't get funded? Not hard to go back and look at what happened during that time. The Repubs had the majority in the Senate, but they didn't have a fillibuster-proof majority in the Senate. Therefore, you'll see stories like this: https://apnews.com/article/4089515ec...2f3bb7062453f6

If memory serves, there were also lawsuits the Dems filed (making sure that they were filed with sympathetic judges) to block the wall.

The simple fact the issue paramount in the cult of BS is the perpetrators status. No compassion for the victim or even acknowledging the rape. Or results.
All about justifying in apparently closed narrow minds how unjustly their views are to only themselves.

That's a rather novel interpretation/spin on what I wrote. I applaud your vivid imagination for coming up with that.

But since you asked, are you saying that the Columbus Dispatch story really isn't about the 10 year old girl, it's really about "overly restrictive GOP-sponsored abortion laws"? Well, good. At least we can agree on that.

And just so I'm complete here and respond to your "spin" of my comments since you're apparently unwilling to respond to the substance of my comments:

Its not Bidens fault that some states have what you characterize as "overly restrictive GOP-sponsored abortion laws". Nor is it Biden's fault that a 10 year old girl might have to go out of state to get an abortion.

Yes, it is Biden's fault, and the Columbus Dispatch's fault, that the plight of a 10-year-old girl and her family is being hijacked and used to advance a political narrative. Biden sure as hell didn't have to use his bully pulpit to bring this girl's sad story to the attention of the world, and then use it to highlight his displeasure with a recent SCOTUS decision. But he did.

I can only imagine the pain this girl's family is going through watching their 10-year-old daughter's horror story become a political football. I guess for Democrats, the right to privacy ends where political opportunism begins.

Here's another in-depth story of the Fox News dishonest, bad faith debacle covering this story.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ews-criticism/

No, it's not paramount. However, it certainly is logical and correct to say that if the guy never got in the country in the first place, the likelihood of us publicly discussing this sad story would be much, much closer to zero. Why does that bother you so much?

I'd much rather we weren't talking about it at all. Also note that I'm not the one who brought this story up.

No, no one in the "news business" posted that graphic in response to my comments. YOU did.

His immigration status is not relevant and is a deliberate attempt to deflect from the fact that the right-wing infotainment complex went into overdrive to lie about this case because it makes the Right look like heartless, hypocritical clowns.

This whole hideous episode has demonstrated the extent to which conservatives are unwilling to grapple with the reality of the abortion regime they are imposing on much of the country. There is nothing wrong with seeing a single-source news report and deciding you want to withhold judgment until more information emerges. But that’s not what happened here. Instead there was sneering incredulity, as if a raped 10-year-old being denied an abortion wasn’t an inevitable consequence of an abortion ban without a rape exception.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/14/o...-abortion.html

I was reading the link Finn just posted and going to expand on it. Faux News at their best.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ews-criticism/

First this from Watters:
And then this from Emily Compagno:
And finally the T'Fucker gets into the act:
Now they are busy wiping eggs off their faces. Here is another item detailing the events.
The this saga officially began on June 22, 2022 and Faux is calling this a hoax?

https://conandaily.com/2022/07/13/ge...columbus-ohio/

So only illegal Guatemalan males rape young girls?

If a legal resident in Ohio had raped this girl of 10 years, the outcome would have been different? This girl could have got an abortion in Ohio? Under what exception since there are none?

Since we're never going to eliminate all illegal immigration what's your point. Also you can't call the story a lie without saying the girl is a liar too and their were a lot of conservative Repubs and elected officials saying the story was false/a lie.

You say it's not relevant? Hmmm... OK. Here's a very simple question to demonstrate how relevant it is.

The perp in this case is blocked from entry into the US, never gets in the country, and never sets foot in Ohio. Does he rape this poor girl? The obvious answer is no.

And the NY Times story you linked simply underscores my point earlier about how this girl's story is being hijacked to advance the pro-choice narrative. The lying, hypocritical clowns include anyone willing to continue to exploit this girl for that purpose.

Indiana Dr. Caitlin Bernard reported 10-year-old Ohio girl's abortion, records show

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/...d/65373626007/

Yet another lie by Whell's favorite Reich-wing "News" propagandists outed. The good doctor followed the law by reporting this tragic incident.

It's true, Whell, tighter immigration laws could have kept that particular perpetrator out of the country and away from that ten year old girl.

But, that fact does not take away from the fact that there will be another person, of any age, raped and possibly impregnated again.....and again.......and again. There are legal citizens in the United States that are rapists and they will continue to be no matter what we do with our immigration laws.

What we need to protect people from rape and a resulting pregnancy is not better immigration laws, but, rather, laws that hold the rapist accountable and laws that allow a person to terminate a pregnancy caused by rape.

The very fact alone, the big issue for some is the immigration status. No compassion for the 10 year victim.

Speaks volumes of exactly who they are.

Understand that Whell and his far-Reich pals want to tie EVERYTHING to immigration. It's what they do. Their bigotry won't allow them not to do so.

When 'Pro-Life' Becomes 'Pro-Censorship'
Antiabortion activists are the new Anthony Comstocks.

https://reason.com/2022/07/11/when-p...ro-censorship/

The libertarians are often wrong, but sometimes they get it.

You're sick if you think a woman's right to autonomy is a fucking laughing matter, Mike. Not surprised one bit that you would get a tingle down your leg though.

Here are a couple of comments from anti-abortion activists that is simply mind boggling, meaning I don't have a clue as to what they are saying.

Here there is only one parent and the rapist seems to be the said parent's live in BF.

And this:
....."we would hope that she would understand the reason and ultimately the benefit of having the child".

So what is the benefit of carrying an unwanted child to term, especially by a 10yr old?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/case...ry?id=86814201

No words, SMH.

Well, that's a very interesting take from someone who obviously didn't watch the comic's bit in the link I posted. If you did watch it, you'd realize that you had no basis for your comment above. Why? Because the comic poked fun at both sides.

Further, guess which part I laughed at the hardest? It came right at the end, and without giving too much away to someone who, unlike you, might actually decide to watch it, the comic poked fun at the pro-life viewpoint. It was funny, and I laughed.

Some of us can hold points of view, Bob, and can still laugh when someone used good nature and good humor to poke fun at those points of view. Might be a teachable moment here, Bob.

100% agree with you on this.

Here you go Mike. Think this is a laughing matter? Think this is a "teachable moment?

"A woman in Wisconsin was left to bleed for more than 10 days after suffering an incomplete miscarriage as doctors in the state struggle to navigate abortion laws in a post-Roe America.

Carley Zeal, an OB/GYN in southern Wisconsin and fellow with Physicians for Reproductive Health, told The Washington Post that the unidentified woman was going through a miscarriage and needed to have the fetal tissue removed from her uterus."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...b7088e5f2fe77a

Now you're going from mis-characterizing my original post - its still obvious you didn't bother to click the link and listen to the bit - to false equivalence. Sorry, not playing this game with you. You ought to know better than to be this disingenuous.

It's the GOP way.