Happy Juneteenth!
 

Happy Juneteenth!

One hundred and fifty-seven years ago, at the tail end of the United States’ great civil conflict — and the geographical tail end of the Confederacy — Union Army Maj. Gen. Gordon Granger led 2,000 soldiers into Galveston, Tex., where a third of the population still lived in slavery more than two years after the Emancipation Proclamation was supposed to have taken effect. He issued the following general order, which was read out at several locations by federal troops:

“The people of Texas are informed that, in accordance with a proclamation from the Executive of the United States, all slaves are free. This involves an absolute equality of personal rights and rights of property between former masters and slaves, and the connection heretofore existing between them becomes that between employer and hired labor.”

This good news wasn’t really news to many of the people in Galveston; word does get around when big things are afoot. In this case, the word made manifest on June 19 was “jubilee” (derived from an ancient Hebrew term for a day when, among other things, slaves could be set free). Juneteenth, as it came to be known, turned into an annual day of celebration for African Americans in Texas and then in other parts of the country. In recent decades, nearly every state has given it some form of recognition. Last year, it became a federal holiday for the first time. WP

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...tion-struggle/

Surprisingly enough, at least to me, it was Texas that was the first state to make it a holiday. I wonder it the parents and politicians that rail against the imagined horrors of CRT permit the schools in their districts to teach their kids the origins of Juneteenth?

And Happy Juneteenth to you.

Mehmet Oz appears to edit his Juneteenth message on Trump’s Truth Social to remove the word ‘equality’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2105039.html

...because, of course, Repubes don't believe in equality for "the other". :rolleyes:

Probably because it was a Texas issue. That's where it was happening and that is what the proclamation ended. That's not my country. I live in Kentucky.

That's probably why virtually nobody outside of Texas ever heard of this until the last couple of years, and even darned few in Texas.

Similarly, everyone heard of the October, 1929 stock market crash, but few seem to know that the BIG crash was in 1932.

So I think "Juneteenth" is probably something worth celebrating in Texas. But not in the rest of the member nations of the US, where slavery was ended sooner.

We don't celebrate French holidays in my country either. ;)

Comments like this are why the complete history of our countries past should be taught. Not to make us ashamed of what happened but to highlight where and what we are doing better.

African Americans have been celebrating Juneteenth for decades. But of course, to a bigot, it only matters that whites "ever heard of this until the last couple of years". It doesn't matter unless whites know about it. So typical of "conservative" bigots, and exactly the response expected of one.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Juneteenth

'splains why certain folk are terrified of CRT (and complete history in general) exposing things they'd rather stay buried.

I agree. Virtually everything I share in forums is stuff I either learned after graduating from high school or stuff I was interested in OUTSIDE of what I was being taught in high school. e.g. I was a world war II nut and did a lot of studying on my own. We didn't learn much about it in public school.

I've heard of Kwanzaa, a made up holiday, but I've not heard of Juneteenth. But then, I don't live in texas. Not hearing of it does not make one a bigot. That is a ludicrous accusation on the face of it. Knock it off with the ad-hominem attacks.

Again and again you show us your true colors :cool:

Thank you. I try to be an open book. I confess that I don't really know what you mean by "true colors", though. What colors are you talking about?

BTW, I was watching an episode of Futurama about Xmas and The robot santa and the robot "kwanzaa" equivalent were having a conversation. The gist was that the Kwanzaa robot was sad that nobody cared about his holiday (or something like that). To this day it's having a hard time getting traction. I think a holiday really needs to come from something real, and be grassroots created. Juneteenth may fit that bill in Texas, now. It's not a thing in my country, Kentucky, though. We don't celebrate other countries holidays. That's why they don't celebrate thanksgiving in the UK. :p

And based on that Fururama episode, I'm guessing I'm not the only one that chuckles a little inside whenever someone mentions Kwanzaa in any "serious" way. :D

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...BpOC8&usqp=CAU

Oh we believe you.

Well, in a certain way we believe. I agree the book is open, but I believe what I see, not necessarily how it is described.

Reading between the lines as it were?

A nod is as good as a wink.

Cut out the religious bigotry. No further warning will be given.

Perhaps not, but it does make you ignorant in that it has been a Federal holiday for a year.

I'm a firm believer in that world view. Ignore what people say and watch what they do. Of course, that's hard on a forum since all we have is words. But it's important to read between the lines.

What I've noticed is that the left tends to try to demonize those with whom they disagree, while the right tends to understand the left, because most of us started out on the left (as children, it's natural), but matured past it. The beginning of this video is an excellent example of leftist leaders "demonizing" the right:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49Maa-7pv1k

Never say what you can whisper.
Never whisper what you can nod.
Never nod what you can wink.
Never wink what you can smile.

;)

Where did I mention religion? Kwanzaa is NOT a religion.

Where did I say I didn't know it was a Federal Holiday? What I'm saying is that I don't take it seriously, and a LOT of people don't take it seriously. I see it as a real world version of "life day" in the infamous Star Wars Christmas special. :D

At least Juneteenth is based on a real event, like the 4th of July and Thanksgiving, though it is local to one member country, Texas. It didn't impact any other member country I've lived in, be it California, Colorado, Washington Oklahoma or Kentucky.

Very stupid message. One youtube video is hardly support for such a sweeping negative characterization of liberals. Very ironic, of course, that your criticism is 'liberals demonize conservatives.'

The big problem you have is there are hardly any stupid people on this little board. So efforts like the above are wasted.

I bet you aren't even aware of what Kwanza is. Oh I'm sure you think you know but that's about it. Your remarks have shown that. Add to that you're ignorance of why people outside of Texas would choose to celebrate Juneteenth. I'm sure you think you know that too.

I'm quite aware of what Kwanzaa is, its origin, and how it's celebrated - and how it really gets little respect.

And I also understand why some outside Texas choose to celebrate Juneteenth as well. Just as Cubs fans outside of Illinois celebrated the Cubs winning the World Series. But most people had never heard of it until recently. It is, outside Texas, an obscure celebration, to say the least, though political activists are trying to push it all they can. You know, kinda like if you are in a city you've never been to, you can go to the worst part of town and you'll eventually find yourself on MLK Jr road/ave/st. I used to travel all over the country and it sort of became a hobby to find the local MLK road.

Comically, I live in a very small town in Kentucky and even we have an MLK JR street. And yep, it's in our small "rough" area. In fact, I have no reason to go to that area and didn't know about it for the first few years I lived here. Even the small town buckled to the political pressure, in the vein of LBJ. Cheap appeasement.

BTW, I still call the one in Seattle "empire way". I used to drive it every day to my job in downtown Seattle from Renton for a couple of years.

Why this diatribe above. I loath politicians focusing on Form over Substance, in their attempt to appease us. And at the end of the day, that's what all that stuff really is. And again, it's in the vein of what LBJ and Robert Byrd were all about regarding racial issues in their day. And republicans, though not nearly as guilty of it, do it too. That's why I'm an independent and do not support either branch of the uniparty.

But at least the Republicans have not slipped into leftist insanity (transgenderism, partial birth abortion, wokeism etc.)

And people on this site call ME an outlier. :) Sure, I am - on this site. :D

Junteenth is independence day for the portion of the populace that didn't benefit from July 4th American independence day.
I doubt few modern so-called "conservatives " are a fraction as erudite at this self-made gentleman of letters.
https://www.aaihs.org/frederick-doug...ourth-of-july/

Sure, in Texas. But for most that had been slaves, it's a bit earlier.

Show me any articles on Juneteenth anywhere on the interwebs mentioning Juneteenth before 2017. And the article above doesn't even mention it.

It's a new thing. There is an attempt just in the last few years to give the whole Juneteenth thing "legs". I ain't buyin' it. But if I lived in Texas, I'd take it at least a bit more seriously.

I suppose the Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian, et-al need their own Fourth of July too, huh? What date do you suggest, and why?

People need to learn my mantra and they will have a lot more joy in their life: Learn from the past, live in the present. Prepare for the future.

If there is orignal sins with the founding of this country.
Slavery must be tied with the treatment of the native peoples as them.

To declare all men are created equal with the right to pursue happiness. Then acting as they did. Still do to this day.

By acknowledging and giving a day to celebrate the end of slavery is the least the country can do. Now lets do the all men are equal part, with the right to pursue happiness.

The one segment wanting to ignore the others of our society. Have better heed this, the day they stop wanting to be treated fairly and start wanting retribution....

Once again for obvious reasons.

That segment that needs to read and understand that sadly wont. At least most of them wont. Too easy to stay wrapped up in the bubble of ignorance.

Nobody should put another Polichat member on their Ignore list because of political affiliation. It's kind of reflective of what's the matter with society today.

Now if you put him on ignore because you think he's an asshole, well, that's another matter altogether.

Some one's political affiliation doesn't sway me one way or the other.

All nations are founded in sin. All of them. Rather than living in the past and weeping over it, learn from it - and do better. And that is what most of us are trying to do. But you don't do it through government. You do it through personal relationships. That's the secret. It's not about how the government forces you to treat people. It's how you personally choose to treat people. That is the whole point of the words of Christ: “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and most important command. The second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commands.”

So, if we all followed Jesus' teaching, we'd live in a very different world. But what you and I can, individually do, is follow His instruction. Just as a neighborhood is kept nice by each homeowner maintaining their own yard, a commuinity is kept "nice" by individuals treating those with whom they come into contact according to Jesus words.

It's why I don't call people names here, and truth be told, I see a lot of people I spar with here as just folks that are still fairly young, and see things the way I did when I was a young man. Of course, I also see this mantra in action: "With age, comes wisdom. But sometimes age comes alone." I sometimes see that in people I meet in real life as well. I'm in a small town, so you don't see a lot of them because most of them either die young or rarely get out.

Yep. I've only put one person on ignore in any internet forum. It wasn't that he was a jerk, or that I disagreed with him. Rather, his posts made zero sense. I mean, they never addressed the issue at hand, were always "centered" text, and seemed to be private jokes between the two sides of his brain.

But that's the only one. And I find it comical that someone, anywhere, likes to brag about having someone on ignore. They are always saying more about themself than about the person they have on ignore.

That said, I ignore posts all the time, for a lot of reasons. Often it's just that they are not relevant to me. No reason to respond.

More idiotic blathering as usual no doubt :rolleyes:

I'm kinda like Matt Walsh in "What is a woman". I don't use ad hominem attacks against people. I let their words speak for themselves. ;)

Sort of missed the point there, Rickey, didn't you?

The only way to get out of this mess short of civil war is if we all emerge from our bubbles and take a good look around.

You are spot on. This site really needs a "like" button.

FWIW, this is actually why I sometimes hang out on leftist sites. Back in the day I could do that a lot - and sometimes got my mind changed. The last couple of years, though, if I simply ask the wrong question I can get cancelled. Fortunately, that fad seems to be waning.

I'll engage with anyone who makes an honest effort to discus topics, ideas or even theories. Those just trolling or being contrary aren't worth the bandwidth.
Are you aware that a great many Republicans consider Democrats their enemies? I consider them not enemies but just misguided.

And that condescending attitude is what pisses them off no end. It's what makes them consider you their enemy. They call it political elitism and it's what motivates them to say and occasionally do outrageous things just to see if they can make a snowflake cry.

The great majority of the Republican electorate believe the election was stolen from tRump and consider Joe Biden an illegitimate president. What would you call them?