Is This Where We're Headed?
 

Opinion
Former chief justice: Is the United States headed toward a two-state solution?

If we tried it, it would be an unstable situation. The Red States after cutting social safety net programs, would try to send economic refugees to the Blue States. Strife at the borders would ensue, and the Reds would probably progress to outright 'racial cleansing.' Economic woes and general resentment would likely lead the Reds to attempt reconquest of the Blues. The Blue states, Canada, and Mexico would defeat them. Ultimately we'd likely wind up in a protracted 'reconstruction' with the Red States under military occupation, and their white population facing odium and discrimination as the instigators of the bloody 'race war' and continued terroristic resistance.

Broderick is right that the present situation is dire, with the citizenry split into two camps that share little in their worldview and each regard the other as dangerous enemies. But the goal must be to bridge the gaps, rebuild commonality, and climb down from this crisis. The world does not need the sort of nation the Red States would become. And if you think the Reds and Blues are polarized now, just wait until they have an actual war. Hate begets hate, after all.

The reality is there is no true division of Red/Blue that would ever be workable. The truest neighbor against neighbor, brother against brother ..... setup.

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GQP continues with their alternative "facts". Living in a fantasy world. Crazy MoFos. :rolleyes:

Never mind that, the GOP prize is the United States, all of it. They know in a separation they would be USA light. As great as they'd claim to be they'd forever be second place. Never the power and prestige of the original country. Never mind that economically they couldn't survive. The GOP doesn't want a portion they want it all.

Agree. They would accept a partition only if forced on the field of battle, and would not actually have any intent to make peace, only to regroup to resume fight.

Folks, the Fourth Reich is real.

Oh they will partition the country, into red/blue. Just the blue's will be guarded behind fences being reeducated.

Oh, I'm down with a fence. A fence to keep them out.

After listening to the testimony in the hearings today. No doubt in my mind at all. Killing of those who stood up and did what was right. Very well could of happened. In a few cases might of happened if the people were at home. Had not went into hiding.

We are I'm afraid at the start of, going to the middle of the civil war. That one side has been getting ready for now these many years.

Included in that is the group that's itching for payback from the first civil war.

I'll just say...it's pretty much become tribal now. Tribal and sectarian conflict never goes anywhere.
And we have an over 1500 year history of sectarian conflict in the Islamic world since the death of the Prophet Muhammad as a model for how this sort of thing goes.

Just the other day when hearing the "want our country back" at the Y in a conversation I was in.

Asked him just what America would that be you want back?

Northern European, Mediterranean, Asian, Hispanic, African, Native.......

Many varied and different histories involved to be just one.

What will be needed is a common issue effecting us all to unite the different tribes. What that will be hopefully will not be a war with another country.

My guess at which America would be 'Southern.' But Ike is right, it's tribal, and the Southern tribe has spread all over.

Ohhh, that tribe the one who glorifies the subjugation of others.

IMHO there's no question that the MAGA hardcores and their Klan and Nazi partners believe "my country" is an all white and Christian country. And they won't be happy until every non-white, non-christian is gone. Their fear of losing their god-given Second Amendment is all about needing it to complete their scouring of the country of anybody who isn't 100% them. Back to the old "single drop of blood" days...again, IMHO.

PS - a lot of these fuckwits don't consider Catholics to be Christians.

There appears to be more "Southern Tribe" in Wyoming than anywhere else.

To your point, it's amazing to drive the back roads of West Virginia where you'll see more Confederate flags per capita (and greater wingnut sentiment) than probably any other state in a state that itself seceded from the Confederacy in 1863.

"Country and Western" as the saying goes....

Ironic that it's a 'Catholic' Supreme Court that is handing them victories.

The Repubs will keep this going until they succeed or they're driven from power. Any giving up and they know they'll lose all the power and position they now have for a long long time. Witness their backing of the big lie. Witness their demonizing of the entire democratic party. Witness their embrace of tRump like candidates and any wing nuts that rile up the base. If the majority of the country comes to realize what they're up to and turns on them they're finished.

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Seems to me the ONLY way to stop this is to elect a Dem Senate this midterm that won't be filibustered. Then they can reign in Supreme Court.

Has to happen or kiss the country good-by.

Forget the two state solution the fascists want it all.

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How did so many Americans come to believe what the Republican Party is doing is a good thing? The frog in a pot of water on a stove analogy comes to mind. At first froggy thinks he's in a nice warm place. By the time he realizes what's going on it's too late to jump out.

Yep, most minds are slow to adjust their thinking. For most of most people's lives, the Republican party has been more or less respectable, as one of our two major parties. It takes a while for it to sink in that they have become fascist enemies of democracy.

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