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Dondilion 01-22-2022 09:09 PM

Tucker Carlson again ridicules the "Kagans".
 
Tucker is the only person in MSM to consistently take on the "Kagans".

https://youtube.com/watch?v=SQxPQ87t7Do

nailer 01-22-2022 10:23 PM

Uncle Joe, Cold War hawk.

Interesting related article: What the West Will Never Understand About Putin's Ukraine Obsession (https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.co...ts/%3famp=true).

Mark B 01-23-2022 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 404098)
Tucker is the only person in MSM to consistently take on the "Kagans".

https://youtube.com/watch?v=SQxPQ87t7Do

You actually think that Tucker Carlson is part of MSM?

BigElCat 01-23-2022 09:04 AM

It seems to me that the Fox News is mainstream media. Their content is more propaganda than news.

I'm not sure what he means by "Kagans".

nailer 01-23-2022 09:30 AM

Robert Kagan

bobabode 01-26-2022 09:18 PM

Still touting Bubba The Love Sponge's second fiddle who has a thing for underage girls?

Dondilion 01-27-2022 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark B (Post 404103)
You actually think that Tucker Carlson is part of MSM?

Carlson is essentially an entertainer. Good many democrats and independents realize this and are tuning in.

His tools...facial expression, timing and creative use of language.

With so many comedians intimidated with deplatforming he has occupied the gap.

Pio1980 01-27-2022 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 404179)
Carlson is essentially an entertainer. Good many democrats and independents realize this and are tuning in.

His tools...facial expression, timing and creative use of language.

With so many comedians intimidated with deplatforming he has occupied the gap.

Disinformation is "entertainment"?
A pretty lame justification.

Dondilion 01-27-2022 08:28 AM

Disinformation is bipartisan and a main feature of MSM.

What TC has done is to wrap it with comedy.

BTW what was Faux News response to a case against TC.
My old head cannot remember but I think the line was...TC's production should not be taken seriously.

nailer 01-27-2022 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 404180)
Disinformation is "entertainment"?
A pretty lame justification.

TV is entertainment, most of which is pretty lame.

Check out Network. Trumpism, i.e. his original base, is a group shouting "we're mad as hell, and we're not going to take this anymore." And it's like a virus. There's even a blue variant out there now.

donquixote99 01-27-2022 09:49 AM

Yet another excuse for TC: he's just entertainment. As if slapping that label on him negates all effects.

RickeyM 01-27-2022 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 404182)
Disinformation is bipartisan and a main feature of MSM.

What TC has done is to wrap it with comedy.

BTW what was Faux News response to a case against TC.
My old head cannot remember but I think the line was...TC's production should not be taken seriously.

Isn't that what righties do when confronted with obvious crap "Well, everybody else is doing it too!" :rolleyes:

The judge overseeing TC's libel case wrote: "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statements he makes."
Reasonable viewers would not describe the overwhelming majority of TC's fans. They take his blathering's as gospel.
Faux had to argue that. If Carlson got successfully sued for libel it would be open season on their entire lineup of evening "entertainers".

TC wrapping his commentary in comedy? Suurrre :rolleyes: that's what Tucker's fans say every night. That TC, he sure is a funny guy.
D, were you dropped on your head as a child?

Mark B 01-27-2022 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 404182)
Disinformation is bipartisan and a main feature of MSM.

What TC has done is to wrap it with comedy.

BTW what was Faux News response to a case against TC.
My old head cannot remember but I think the line was...TC's production should not be taken seriously.

To be delicate, the highlighted part of your post is simply not true.

The lies spread by Tucker and other Fox personalities are harmful to people and our country.

You seem to think this is a big joke.

Dondilion 01-27-2022 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 404188)
Isn't that what righties do when confronted with obvious crap "Well, everybody else is doing it too!" :rolleyes:

The judge overseeing TC's libel case wrote: "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statements he makes."
Reasonable viewers would not describe the overwhelming majority of TC's fans. They take his blathering's as gospel.
Faux had to argue that. If Carlson got successfully sued for libel it would be open season on their entire lineup of evening "entertainers".

TC wrapping his commentary in comedy? Suurrre :rolleyes: that's what Tucker's fans say every night. That TC, he sure is a funny guy.
D, were you dropped on your head as a child?

The world of politics is a world of comedy.

One Zelensky even carried it to another level...he is a comedian who became president. Take a look at some of the main stream politicians. One is so disheveled his appearance induced laughter. Check their pronouncements.
Can one react with a straight face?

TC's schtick is to induce ridicule/laughter by playing on glaring contradictions. People tune in because they enjoy the spectacle especially relating to politicians.

BTW TC's case had precedent in that of Rachel Maddow.
His lawyers used similar arguments employed earlier by Maddow's lawyers.

bobabode 01-27-2022 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark B (Post 404103)
You actually think that Tucker Carlson is part of MSM?

That was my first thought too, Mark. There is no way Tuckles the Klown reps anything mainstream or otherwise. He's a modern day Axis Annie.

bobabode 01-27-2022 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 404190)
The world of politics is a world of comedy.

One Zelensky even carried it to another level...he is a comedian who became president. Take a look at some of the main stream politicians. One is so disheveled his appearance induced laughter. Check their pronouncements.
Can one react with a straight face?

TC shtick is to induce ridicule/laughter by playing on glaring contradictions. People tune in because they enjoy the spectacle especially relating to politicians.

BTW TC's case had precedent in that of Rachel Maddow.
His lawyers used similar arguments employed earlier by Maddow's lawyers.

Got any linkage to that wild assertion about Doc Maddow?

nailer 01-27-2022 07:14 PM

Based on Wiki, thinking she's a news show talking head entertainer. Italics from article. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Maddow

Asked about her political views by the Valley Advocate, Maddow replied, "I'm undoubtedly a liberal, which means that I'm in almost total agreement with the Eisenhower-era Republican Party platform."

Makes me a liberal too.

A Newsweek profile said, "At her best, Maddow debates ideological opponents with civility and persistence ... but for all her eloquence, she can get so wound up ripping Republicans that she sounds like another smug cable partisan."The Baltimore Sun critic David Zurawik accused Maddow of acting like "a lockstep party member".The editors of The New Republic similarly criticized her – naming her among the "most over-rated thinkers" of 2011, they called her program "a textbook example of the intellectual limitations of a perfectly settled perspective".

Chicks 01-27-2022 07:24 PM

I Like Ike.

bobabode 01-27-2022 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 404196)
I Like Ike.

The last decent republican.

RickeyM 01-27-2022 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 404190)
The world of politics is a world of comedy.

One Zelensky even carried it to another level...he is a comedian who became president. Take a look at some of the main stream politicians. One is so disheveled his appearance induced laughter. Check their pronouncements.
Can one react with a straight face?

TC's schtick is to induce ridicule/laughter by playing on glaring contradictions. People tune in because they enjoy the spectacle especially relating to politicians.

BTW TC's case had precedent in that of Rachel Maddow.
His lawyers used similar arguments employed earlier by Maddow's lawyers.

You must be tuning in to an entirely different TC than the rest of us see. Or at the very least viewing him through a totally different lens.

Dondilion 01-27-2022 11:34 PM

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/a-c...addows-viewers

BigElCat 01-28-2022 12:02 AM

I agree with everything each of you has contributed to this thread.

Remember the alleged 'Operation Mockingbird' ?

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL21...-the-media.htm

It was real, except that it wasn't / isn't the CIA doing it. It's the Gog. Our spiritual overlords. The laughable 'lizard people' of QAnon.

It's scary that the left leaning networks are the only ones coherent (and truthful) at the present time. That could swing at anytime.

BigElCat 01-28-2022 12:04 AM

The proverbial 'they'...the elusive forces of evil that want the human race divided and fighting each other...try to get us to kill each other.

The new civil war in the USA.

Tucker's wrong about Trump being the answer, but he's right about not taking "democracy" to the Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOLPv2cr7TQ

We installed the Shah over Mossadegh in Iran for corporate gain (look what happened there, blame Carter, eh), put Macros in the Philippines, and don't forget Allende in Chile.

That's democracy. Not.

BigElCat 01-28-2022 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 404183)
Check out Network.

How prophetic; life is imitating art.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRuS3dxKK9U&t=60s

"Are they yelling in Atlanta, Ted" ? At 2:15. The movie predates (and predicts) the Turner Network by 12 years.

Also presented by our overlords, but very effective.

bobabode 01-28-2022 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 404200)

Glenn Greenwald? Really? :rolleyes:

RickeyM 01-28-2022 08:24 AM

Maddow: From the headline of the article you linked
Quote:

A Court Ruled Rachel Maddow's Viewers Know She Offers Exaggeration and Opinion, Not Facts
Carlson: From the quote I supplied
Quote:

...given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statements he makes
So just how much skepticism do you suppose TC's fans arrive at? What percentage of them would you call reasonable viewers?

Dondilion 01-28-2022 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 404204)
Glenn Greenwald? Really? :rolleyes:

Typical!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Greenwald

Greenwald is a brave, thorough, accomplished investigative journalist.

BigElCat 01-28-2022 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 404208)
Typical!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Greenwald

Greenwald is a brave, thorough, accomplished investigative journalist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRzDsxUOm4M&t=6188s

The only thing suspicious about Greenwald, is the fact he hasn't been 'suicided' like Gary Webb.

Two bullets in the head, gutter downspout and window screen laying on the ground beneath an open window. Clear case of suicide.

Dondilion 01-28-2022 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 404202)

Tucker's wrong about Trump being the answer, but he right about not taking "democracy" to the Ukraine.

The Ukraine project has run up into reality.

Any scholar of Russia would know that the Russians would not allow their prized naval base in Crimea to fall into the hands of NATO.

Secondly, the Donbas area was the industrial heart of both Ukraine and Russia. This is the area noted for high valued equipment, such as aircraft engines and turbines for ships and hydroelectric power. However, it is situated on the Russian border and is inhabited by a significant number of Russian-speaking sympathizers. The Donbas is where there is an active, slow-burning conflict.

The Ukrainian government would like to cleanse the area, but any Russian government which allows that to happen would immediately fall.

Additionally, the Ukrainians having weaponized language and given free rein to right-wing militias have created further divisions.

I believe the Russian military parading on the border is indicating to the Ukrainians the real cost of cleansing the Donbas.

BigElCat 01-28-2022 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 404212)
The Ukraine project has run up into reality.

Any scholar of Russia would know that the Russians would not allow their prized naval base in Crimea to fall into the hands of NATO.

Secondly, the Donbas area was the industrial heart of both Ukraine and Russia. This is the area noted for high valued equipment, such as aircraft engines and turbines for ships and hydroelectric power. However, it is situated on the Russian border and is inhabited by a significant number of Russian-speaking sympathizers. The Donbas is where there is an active, slow-burning conflict.

The Ukrainian government would like to cleanse the area, but any Russian government which allows that to happen would immediately fall.

Additionally, the Ukrainians having weaponized language and given free rein to right-wing militias have created further divisions.

I believe the Russian military parading on the border is indicating to the Ukrainians the real cost of cleansing the Donbas.

And Erdogan is trying to open up the Black Sea to NATO warships.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvLF7vC1yUw

BigElCat 01-28-2022 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 404196)
I Like Ike.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 404198)
The last decent republican.

Hero of WW2, homeboy from Kansas.

I wish I could fly Old Glory around in the bed of my truck without thinking about how Ike fomented the War on Terrorism by radicalizing a lot of Muslims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_I..._d%27%C3%A9tat

Then we had Charlie Wilson's War in Afghanistan, created (and armed) Osama Bin Laden. Had to roll in there (for 20 years) just to find Osama in Pakistan.

bobabode 01-28-2022 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 404208)
Typical!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Greenwald

Greenwald is a brave, thorough, accomplished investigative journalist.

Okie dokie, sure pally. If you like ambulance chasing pissants. (rolls eyes)

Dondilion 01-28-2022 11:58 PM

Tucker Carlson provides great entertainment.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-0z55whpRvg

finnbow 01-29-2022 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 404212)
The Ukraine project has run up into reality.

Any scholar of Russia would know that the Russians would not allow their prized naval base in Crimea to fall into the hands of NATO.

Secondly, the Donbas area was the industrial heart of both Ukraine and Russia. This is the area noted for high valued equipment, such as aircraft engines and turbines for ships and hydroelectric power. However, it is situated on the Russian border and is inhabited by a significant number of Russian-speaking sympathizers. The Donbas is where there is an active, slow-burning conflict.

The Ukrainian government would like to cleanse the area, but any Russian government which allows that to happen would immediately fall.

Additionally, the Ukrainians having weaponized language and given free rein to right-wing militias have created further divisions.

I believe the Russian military parading on the border is indicating to the Ukrainians the real cost of cleansing the Donbas.

What actually scares Putin is that a former part of the Soviet Union will show success in adopting democracy and fighting corruption, both anathema to Putin's kleptocracy.

FWIW, Russian speakers in Ukraine are far more free than Russian speakers in Russia.

RickeyM 01-29-2022 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 404219)
Tucker Carlson provides great entertainment.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-0z55whpRvg

Glad to know that you see this human excrement as "entertainment".

donquixote99 01-29-2022 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 404219)
Tucker Carlson provides great entertainment.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-0z55whpRvg

You're right, he's silly. 'First the Ukraine, then Boise?' Ridiculous. But one look at the map makes clear that a strong force in the Ukraine can dominate Eurasia....http://www.politicalchat.org/attachm...1&d=1643469845

donquixote99 01-29-2022 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 404224)
Glad to know that you see this human excrement as "entertainment".

But all kidding aside, the smart people in Germany mostly dismissed Hitler as a clown. But that left millions for Hitler to work with....

RickeyM 01-29-2022 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 404227)
But all kidding aside, the smart people in Germany mostly dismissed Hitler as a clown. But that left millions for Hitler to work with....

That's what I'm afraid of.

finnbow 01-29-2022 10:46 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKSIhHeV...g&name=900x900

Dondilion 01-29-2022 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 404225)
You're right, he's silly. 'First the Ukraine, then Boise?'

Indeed silly. Probably it is the "Red Dawn" syndrome.


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