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HarmanKardon 12-01-2021 03:35 PM

Mandatory vaccination in Germany gets more and more likely
 
102000 German covid victims and counting. Currently almost 500 fatalities daily.

It is time to respond on this situation forcefully. A mandatory vaccination will be the key. I really hope that the new German Government will all these anthroposophic and else bullshit minded subjects kick to hell!

Three out of ten Germans are fools. This is quite depressive.

HarmanKardon 12-01-2021 03:39 PM

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The new Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany.

Rajoo 12-01-2021 04:24 PM

Chris, I am curious. Will the German constitution permit it. This is what is preventing vaccines being mandated in the US and we have to do it piecemeal; armed forces, healthcare workers, emergency personell, etc. And every one of these groups are fighting it for Trumpist reasons. These people do not realize that the ones goading them like the Republican politicians and their operatives have all been vaccinated.

Chicks 12-02-2021 09:34 AM

Germany announces nationwide lockdown for the unvaccinated

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/02/europ...ntl/index.html

Finally, politicians with balls!

Oerets 12-02-2021 09:59 AM

Wish this would be the norm world wide.

barbara 12-02-2021 06:06 PM

Rajoo, the constitution has nothing to do with why there are not vaccine mandates in the United States. The United States has had vaccine mandates in the past.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-man...es_chptr13.pdf

Noogies 12-02-2021 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 403269)
Germany announces nationwide lockdown for the unvaccinated

Finally, politicians with balls!

Can you imagine the backlash if the USA did that? It wouldn't be pretty.

finnbow 12-04-2021 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 403255)
Chris, I am curious. Will the German constitution permit it. This is what is preventing vaccines being mandated in the US and we have to do it piecemeal; armed forces, healthcare workers, emergency personell, etc. And every one of these groups are fighting it for Trumpist reasons. These people do not realize that the ones goading them like the Republican politicians and their operatives have all been vaccinated.

FWIW, our constitution permits it.

HarmanKardon 12-04-2021 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 403255)
Chris, I am curious. Will the German constitution permit it. This is what is preventing vaccines being mandated in the US and we have to do it piecemeal; armed forces, healthcare workers, emergency personell, etc. And every one of these groups are fighting it for Trumpist reasons. These people do not realize that the ones goading them like the Republican politicians and their operatives have all been vaccinated.

The brand new German Government (inauguration of Scholz in a couple of days) will take a vote on it in several weeks. The utra right AFD will not vote for it, but all others will. The new law will come into force in February. Still enough time for all to get this important vaccination.

finnbow 12-04-2021 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HarmanKardon (Post 403313)
The brand new German Government (inauguration of Scholz in a couple of days) will take a vote on it in several weeks. The utra right AFD will not vote for it, but all others will. The new law will come into force in February. Still enough time for all to get this important vaccination.

At least in Germany, the AFD is a distinct minority (~5%). Their equivalent here is just as loony, racist and nihilistic, but represents about half the country.

HarmanKardon 12-04-2021 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 403327)
At least in Germany, the AFD is a distinct minority (~5%). Their equivalent here is just as loony, racist and nihilistic, but represents about half the country.

In the early 20s the NSDAP started their career as an underestimated tribe of freaks.

Stay alert you democratic constitutions all around the world!

finnbow 12-04-2021 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HarmanKardon (Post 403328)
In the early 20s the NSDAP started their career as an underestimated tribe of freaks.

Stay alert you democratic constitutions all around the world!

For sure. I just finished reading Volker Ullrich's Hitler: Ascent, 1889-1939. The parallels between the tactics of the NSDAP in those years parallels far too closely with Trump's Republican Party.

Rajoo 12-04-2021 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 403311)
FWIW, our constitution permits it.

From what I know Finn, the health clause is left up to the individual states, counties and cities. Yes, the SCOTUS has voted in favor of vaccine mandate, but from what we can see, individual states can make this into a political football, at least till the next mid-term elections.

OK, here is what I believe. Individual enterprises and agencies (both private and government) can restrict access to those who are not vaccinated like schools do, but doubt the constitution will permit forced vaccinations.

finnbow 12-04-2021 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 403335)
From what I know Finn, the health clause is left up to the individual states, counties and cities. Yes, the SCOTUS has voted in favor of vaccine mandate, but from what we can see, individual states can make this into a political football, at least till the next mid-term elections.

OK, here is what I believe. Individual enterprises and agencies (both private and government) can restrict access to those who are not vaccinated like schools do, but doubt the constitution will permit forced vaccinations.

That's kind of a distinction without a difference. If one is precluded from employment, travel, public accommodation, public transit, and entry into any public or private building, that is effectively a mandate and I'm cool with it. In other words, if one wants to stay locked up in their home until COVID disappears rather than get the vaccine, go for it but quit whining.

McRocket 12-06-2021 09:30 AM

I am against it.

I have had both shots and I wear a mask (out of common courtesy).
But forcing sane, adults to get a shot against their will is wrong.
And I do not care if lots of people have had lots of shots over the years.
'Asking' and 'Forcing' are two, different things.

And what is the government going to do for those who refuse?
Track them down, grab them, hold them down and jab them against their will (that will look great on TV/web)?
Throw them in jail?
Take away their basic, human rights?
What?

McRocket 12-06-2021 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 403335)
From what I know Finn, the health clause is left up to the individual states, counties and cities. Yes, the SCOTUS has voted in favor of vaccine mandate, but from what we can see, individual states can make this into a political football, at least till the next mid-term elections.

OK, here is what I believe. Individual enterprises and agencies (both private and government) can restrict access to those who are not vaccinated like schools do, but doubt the constitution will permit forced vaccinations.

Agreed.

Chicks 12-06-2021 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by McRocket (Post 403365)
And what is the government going to do for those who refuse?
Track them down, grab them, hold them down and jab them against their will (that will look great on TV/web)?
Throw them in jail?
Take away their basic, human rights?
What?

Um, read Finnbow's post above. They're going to do exactly what schools have done for eons - no vax, no entrance. Simple as that. Unvaxxed will be isolated, to keep them from hosting and spreading new mutations of the virus.


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