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RickeyM 11-30-2021 07:56 AM

Get out that ol' bucket of whitewash paint.
 
Never mind that closest critical race theory comes to grade schools is Reich-Wingers going apoplectic in school board meetings about it...

The first complaint filed under Tennessee's anti-critical race theory law was over a book teaching about Martin Luther King Jr.
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The conservative group specifically protested a photo of segregated water fountains and images showing Black children being blasted with water by firefighters.
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The parents group claimed that the books and teacher manuals "implies to second-grade children that people of color continue to be oppressed by an oppressive 'angry, vicious, scary, mean, loud, violent, [rude], and [hateful]' white population."
Hmm, that sounds just like the "conservatives" who show up at school board meetings.

Oerets 11-30-2021 08:39 AM

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The more they protest the more apparent it becomes what they are trying to hide.....

Ike Bana 11-30-2021 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 403227)
Never mind that closest critical race theory comes to grade schools is Reich-Wingers going apoplectic in school board meetings about it...

The first complaint filed under Tennessee's anti-critical race theory law was over a book teaching about Martin Luther King Jr.


Hmm, that sounds just like the "conservatives" who show up at school board meetings.

Expected...including the petty bullshit specifics. But I need to add something...

The children of this country are, and have been for a long time, having their lunch handed to them on a plate by EU kids, Asian kids, and kids from India in math and science. Why? Because of conservative bible thumping clockstoppers at local school board meetings, and because of conservative bible thumping clockstoppers who are local school board members. So kids are being taught the book of Genesis in public school science class...what's the problem with that, eh?:rolleyes:

The only way out of this shit is for the Congress and the Executive branch, and the courts if necessary, turn the educational system in this country over to the Department of Education. No more local school board control over curriculum and faculty. No more funding per student based upon local real estate tax revenue. Every kid, regardless of the neighborhood gets all the books, all the skilled teachers, all the same dollars spent on their educaton, and none of the bullshit creationistic curriculum.

RickeyM 11-30-2021 01:17 PM

You can't MAGA if you keep pointing out that it wasn't so great for everybody and you're the ones responsible for said not-so-greatness.

Rajoo 11-30-2021 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 403230)
Expected...including the petty bullshit specifics. But I need to add something...

The children of this country are, and have been for a long time, having their lunch handed to them on a plate by EU kids, Asian kids, and kids from India in math and science. Why? Because of conservative bible thumping clockstoppers at local school board meetings, and because of conservative bible thumping clockstoppers who are local school board members. So kids are being taught the book of Genesis in public school science class...what's the problem with that, eh?:rolleyes:

The only way out of this shit is for the Congress and the Executive branch, and the courts if necessary, turn the educational system in this country over to the Department of Education. No more local school board control over curriculum and faculty. No more funding per student based upon local real estate tax revenue. Every kid, regardless of the neighborhood gets all the books, all the skilled teachers, all the same dollars spent on their educaton, and none of the bullshit creationistic curriculum.

Seems like a no can do Ike. I too am appalled at the drop in the educational levels in this country but here is something I found quite interesting.

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The authority for public education falls to states because of a 1973 Supreme Court case which determined that the federal government has no responsibility to provide systems of public education. These constitutional
education provisions vary from state to state, with some states specifically laying out the foundation of their education system while others leave the
details to the legislature. Because some state constitutions date back centuries, constitutions can contain outdated language, which can decrease the relevance of the constitution to current-day policy issues. State constitutions vary on whether they include language about public school
funding, religious restrictions, the education of disabled students, the age of students, the duration of the school year and the establishment of state
higher education systems.
Now we know why Kansas cut their education budget to give tax breaks to the rich. An interesting reading.

https://www.ecs.org/wp-content/uploa...ducation-1.pdf

BigElCat 12-01-2021 11:59 AM

State Motto of Kansas.

The motto "Ad Astra per aspera" means "to the stars through difficulties."

Come on, Rickey, don't you think you have it better than your ancestors?

Forgive the white man, his gunpowder, and chains.

She's going to the International Space Station. (If the Russians haven't filled it with holes).


https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/UL...608afca14a0d4d

BigElCat 12-01-2021 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 403243)
Now we know why Kansas cut their education budget to give tax breaks to the rich. An interesting reading.

That was Sam Brownback, a Republican, that did that. Even though we have a Democrat as a governor, those changes remain in place.

Not sure how all that works. I know my county property taxes for education have shot way up, and I don't even have kids. Oh well. They have to pick up the slack somehow.

I'm not aware that they're teaching racism in school, I hope they are not.

I can't afford to resent rich people in general. That only brings me down, and does nothing to them.

Oerets 12-01-2021 05:08 PM

What is NOT funny about the whole CRT issues is the fact if only seems like one race is saying it is a non-issue or plain out lies....

Ask a Native American, Latino, Black, Asian ....... get a different complete view.

donquixote99 12-01-2021 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 403250)
Come on, Rickey, don't you think you have it better than your ancestors?

Forgive the white man, his gunpowder, and chains.

"Better than ancestors' could not be a more irrelevant standard. 'As good as the people on TV' is more what it is.

What particular reason, other than the visual aspect you see when you look, makes you think she has or hasn't forgiven anyone?

donquixote99 12-01-2021 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 403256)
I can't afford to resent rich people in general. That only brings me down, and does nothing to them.

Would not suggest you resent anyone. Just don't vote for the guys that are always falling over themselves to do special favors for rich people.

BigElCat 12-01-2021 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 403259)
"Better than ancestors' could not be a more irrelevant standard. 'As good as the people on TV' is more what it is.

What particular reason, other than the visual aspect you see when you look, makes you think she has or hasn't forgiven anyone?

It seems to me that we have a standard of living that we take for granted.

I'm grateful to have had indoor plumbing and electricity. My dad didn't have those when he was young. We live better than Kings of the old days. It's human progress.

Black lives matter to me, just as much as as any other ethnic group (or race). This country is a melting pot. We need to stew together without hatred or hostility and try to move forward in a positive manner.

I wasn't educated to oppress black folks. I guess I do have a certain amount of "white privilege" just because I live a predominately white area. When I enter a black neighborhood or town, that privilege no longer exists. Or so it seems to me. It comes down to what I call "occupational force".

The USA is ours, because our 'forefathers' took it away from somebody else.

I guess we're here to stay, because we'll all get blown up if someone tries to take it from us. It like were all hostages to the powers that be.

RickeyM 12-02-2021 09:23 AM

Better in some ways, worse in others. Nowadays there are way too many spoiling for a civil war to restore an imagined glory and put them not like them "back in their place".

BigElCat 12-02-2021 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 403267)
Better in some ways, worse in others. Nowadays there are way too many spoiling for a civil war to restore an imagined glory and put them not like them "back in their place".

Well said, and I agree.

The whole time I've been corresponding with you on the net, I held the assumption that you are a man. Don Quixote (if that's his real name, which somehow I doubt:)), just referred to you as "she".

I apologize for my sexist assumption, based mainly on your carpentry work. And I have a confession. My real name isn't BigElCat.

Mark B 12-02-2021 11:33 PM

For millennia mankind has been conquering and/or slaughtering those from rival tribes or nations. This has been a virtually universally accepted and honored practice until very recently.

This paradigm is no longer acceptable to most nations.

The transition is not going to be easy, and addressing grievances will be one of the most contentious subjects.

Oerets 12-03-2021 06:20 AM

Is it not a fact one of the oldest conflicts between human societies is due to the ancient now losses of their lands? That a group claims ownership and displaces an other who also claims the land.

There was never an acceptance and honored practice, rather one of the victor forcing their will until a time they are no longer able to. Then the old issue arises still as strong....

Next to religion old war wounds are the leading causes of loss of human life.

If we as a collective are to advance forward on this planet the cycle needs to stop.

RickeyM 12-03-2021 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 403273)
Well said, and I agree.

The whole time I've been corresponding with you on the net, I held the assumption that you are a man. Don Quixote (if that's his real name, which somehow I doubt:)), just referred to you as "she".

I apologize for my sexist assumption, based mainly on your carpentry work. And I have a confession. My real name isn't BigElCat.

B.E.C. I thought the "she" D was referring to was the lady astronaut in the pic :confused: Anywho yep, I'm a guy. Been one for 64 years now :D Assume away ;)

donquixote99 12-03-2021 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 403273)
Don Quixote (if that's his real name, which somehow I doubt:)), just referred to you as "she".

Oops. Mixup was mine. I thought you were 'talking' to the female astronaut pictured in your post above.

BigElCat 12-04-2021 01:12 AM

I'm a bonehead.

Thank you guys for talking some sense into me. I'm a 'crazy Christian' and I can't quite transcend certain 'race oriented ideation' that I have. It stems from the Rothschild world economy, on down to everything we have as US Citizens.

RickeyM 12-07-2021 01:18 PM

We Can't Have This Now Can We?
 
A white teacher taught white students about white privilege. It cost him his job.

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His firing comes amid a tsunami of conservative outrage about critical race theory, an academic framework for examining systemic racism in the United States that educators contend is rarely taught in public schools.

Hawn said he’d never heard of critical race theory until he was accused of teaching it.
Of course he had to go :rolleyes:

Oerets 12-07-2021 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 403376)

For some reason I just was reminded, one of my brothers talking about being in Japan in the eighties. Said the girl he was seeing over there asked him why the U.S. started the war with them?

So it seems this country is not the only one having difficulties with the telling of the past.

BigElCat 12-07-2021 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Oerets (Post 403377)
For some reason I just was reminded, one of my brothers talking about being in Japan in the eighties. Said the girl he was seeing over there asked him why the U.S. started the war with them?

So it seems this country is not the only one having difficulties with the telling of the past.

The USA systematically provoked Japan into committing an overt act of war against the USA in order to sway public opinion about entering WW2.

It's a fact. Endorsed by FDR, Henry Stimson the then Secretary of War, and written by a Naval Intelligence officer named Arthur McCollum.

Where and when wars start are always matters of opinion, surrounded by propaganda.

Believe what you want. Your brother's GF wasn't necessarily wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCollum_memo

donquixote99 12-07-2021 04:23 PM

OK.The fuel and steel boycotts were coercive, but they weren't war

Oerets 12-07-2021 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 403378)
The USA systematically provoked Japan into committing an overt act of war against the USA in order to sway public opinion about entering WW2.

It's a fact. Endorsed by FDR, Henry Stimson the then Secretary of War, and written by a Naval Intelligence officer named Arthur McCollum.

Where and when wars start are always matters of opinion, surrounded by propaganda.

Believe what you want. Your brother's GF wasn't necessarily wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCollum_memo


The girl in question knew nothing about Pearl Harbor.

Also the US sanctions were due to Japans invasions into China, Korea, Manchuria, ........

BigElCat 12-07-2021 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 403376)

He's seeking a change of venue, now.

I like to see him work at Fredrick Douglass High in Baltimore for about four years. He could exercise his First Amendment rights there, keep his same message, and make a video log account of it.

They could make a reality TV series out of it.

RickeyM 12-07-2021 07:26 PM

Seems that books not bullets are the real threat.
 
From an opinion piece in the Miami Herald:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/one-more-...210957994.html

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We live in a world where students huddle under their desks in active-shooter drills, but conservatives are concerned that learning about race might make them uncomfortable. A world where children have PTSD from seeing friends slaughtered, but conservatives fear that reading about sex might expose them to things they’re not yet ready for. A world where kids go to school with bulletproof backpacks, but conservatives think books have gotten way out of hand.
To be sure, you can't MAGA if you let little things like history and knowledge get in the way.

Chubba 12-07-2021 10:06 PM

Great words.

Mark B 12-08-2021 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Oerets (Post 403380)
The girl in question knew nothing about Pearl Harbor.

Also the US sanctions were due to Japans invasions into China, Korea, Manchuria, ........

Exactly.

Unless one knows the history of the horrific genocidal expansion of the Japanese empire in the 20th century you cannot understand the United States sanctions against Japan that Japan used as justification for the attack on Pearl Harbor.

RickeyM 12-08-2021 02:07 PM

Critical Race Theory, From The WP

'A dog whistle and a lie': Black parents on the critical race theory debate


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One of the things that LeNoir and other parents interviewed for this story are frustrated by is a sometimes deliberate misunderstanding of CRT, the study of how racism is a systemic part of the societal framework. It is mostly taught in graduate and law school.

"I had never heard of it because we don't teach it in K-12," says Woodbridge, Va., high school teacher and mother Tracey Hairston, 51. "I know for sure that in Virginia it isn't taught."
... but that didn't stop the Repubs in the last gubernatorial race from blowing that dog whistle loud and long.

Human 12-08-2021 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 403404)
Critical Race Theory, From The WP

'A dog whistle and a lie': Black parents on the critical race theory debate


... but that didn't stop the Repubs in the last gubernatorial race from blowing that dog whistle loud and long.

Sure, they don't teach critical race theory in secondary schools, but they do teach about lynchings as early as 4th grade. It was kind of a lot for my daughter to deal with, along with the Holocaust stuff that was also presented.

I suppose with the internet everything is kind of out there if you look, but it can be kind of traumatic to learn the inhumanity of man to their fellow men at a young age.

For what it's worth, I 100% understand the points made by CRT courses.

BigElCat 12-08-2021 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark B (Post 403388)
Exactly.

Unless one knows the history of the horrific genocidal expansion of the Japanese empire in the 20th century you cannot understand the United States sanctions against Japan that Japan used as justification for the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Riought, the white man was in Asia for humanitarian reasons. Pass me that Kool Aid.

The USA was backing up England and France in their former Colonial ambitions. Then, we sought to expand our influence in order to contain Communism. And to make the US dollar a dominant world currency in order to expand our influence globally.

Mark B 12-08-2021 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 403407)
Riought, the white man was in Asia for humanitarian reasons. Pass me that Kool Aid.

The USA was backing up England and France in their former Colonial ambitions. Then, we sought to expand our influence in order to contain Communism. And to make the US dollar a dominant world currency in order to expand our influence globally.

You're obviously drinking your own Kool Aid.

RickeyM 12-09-2021 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Human (Post 403405)
Sure, they don't teach critical race theory in secondary schools, but they do teach about lynchings as early as 4th grade. It was kind of a lot for my daughter to deal with, along with the Holocaust stuff that was also presented.

I suppose with the internet everything is kind of out there if you look, but it can be kind of traumatic to learn the inhumanity of man to their fellow men at a young age.

For what it's worth, I 100% understand the points made by CRT courses.

FWIW I think the teaching of the inhumanity of man to their fellow men can at least wait until secondary school. Unfortunately all the ballyhoo about CRT is just another tactic the GOP uses to rile up the base. When you don't have anything worthwhile to sell sometimes you have to resort to things like this. Sadly oftentimes it works.

donquixote99 12-09-2021 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 403413)
FWIW I think the teaching of the inhumanity of man to their fellow men can at least wait until secondary school. Unfortunately all the ballyhoo about CRT is just another tactic the GOP uses to rile up the base. When you don't have anything worthwhile to sell sometimes you have to resort to things like this. Sadly oftentimes it works.

I had access to very graphic stuff even in the old pre-internet days. Holocaust, and graphic war stuff, like a Japanese soldier being burned to death by a flame thrower in a series of photos. Certainly with pervasive access nowadays the school curricula should start early in touching upon such things, just to enable young ones to handle it a bit, give them some understanding and context, and encourage them to seek emotional comforting when needed.

As for racial violence, I'd be very careful. Some young boys would just take targeting cues from such stories. Boys are often aggressive and hateful, that's all there is to it. Some aren't, and most grow out of it, more or less, but there it is.

The way school-age boys often are is so 'normal' to us we don't take in how bad it is, most of the time, but it's pretty bad.

barbara 12-10-2021 08:14 AM

Not that I condone teaching graphic violent history to very young students, but, uh.... they see graphic violence on tv all the time. Sometimes the consistency in our values gets lost.

donquixote99 02-17-2022 09:48 AM

On this topic, here's a moving memoir from a Jewish person who did not know anything of the Holocaust until she came across an explicit book in a store, at age 12. She felt betrayed that her parents had kept such a big thing from her.

https://www.nextavenue.org/discoveri...OSE1GH7IcbXvT8


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