Do you see the U.S. being headed for a second civil war?
 

I do and I can't believe I feel this way. I'm certainly not a conspiracy theorist but I feel that the Repubs will stop at nothing and I mean nothing to get and hold on to power. It's scary to me to see what they'll do and say to stay in Trumps good graces. It's looking increasingly like we'll lose the House in '22 and it doesn't help that we now have a 6-3 SCOTUS.

Please tell me if you think I'm blowing this way out of proportion so that I can sleep better at night.

We are already is the beginning, just to close to see it fully. Still remembering the way the country use to be. Thinking it will workout, that they can't really be as bad as what it looks like.

Until you speak or run into the vocal one. Just yesterday a guy was walking around the Y wearing a Trump 2020 hat and a "We Won" tee shirt..... Smiling and yucking it up with apparently the majority of the people there.....scary! Of course I'd be the @ss to say something negative and be reported....
Kept my mask on and rolled my eyes so he could see.
I'm telling you they are getting braver by the day around here.


Look at our history from around the 1830's up to 1860 for a idea of what I think this will mirror.

The majority of Repubs still think tRump won. They have been radicalized by the GOP. They think they a majority. A majority of them think it will take violence to save their beloved America. Biden and the Democrats had better neuter tRump and they better do it soon. If it isn't done before the 2022 elections our democratic republic could be done for. tRump, enabled by the GOP, is in the process of staging a quiet coup. If that doesn't work, the Repub base, egged on by the party leadership is liable to stage a revolt. If tRump says jump they'll say how high.

No.

The split in 1860 was regional. The split now is basically urban/rural. This civilized/tribal friction has been going on forever. The tale of Sodom and Gomorrah comes to mind.

When not if the "Cult" steals/subverts/overturns an election and uses the nothing done when it was them and the "Big Lie"......

All bets will be off!

Or stage another coupe and are successful this time........

It will get ugly fast.

Sounds like a 'Bleeding Kansas' all over again ala all the bad parts of that 'Outlaw Josey Wales' movie with a touch of 'Mad Max'.

Sure glad I'm old and a somewhat shortimer. This boggie's a mess.

I'm right there with you, Brother. I feel for the grandkids.

Same here a short timer with kids and grandkids that will be facing the aftermath of this nations impending nightmare....

I wish to hell the Southern District and/or Garland and the Justice Dept. would get moving and indict him because it could get ugly if they wait until after he announces that he's running again.

Yes, but its pretty likely to get ugly whenever they do it.

Thinking just today on how here it took almost eighty years for the Nazi's to win WWII....

Real ugly.

win WW11?

Trump = Hitler

Both sides are being programmed.

Anecdotally it seems Trump has more extremists in uniforms.

The way I see it if it happens is the Repubs steal elections, specifically 2024 presidential, the majority will stage major protests and the cult will see it as their civic duty to suppress these demonstrations. They already have been primed for violence (When do we get to use the guns?) and no doubt some tRump acolyte will call for it. Remember the 1776 chants and flags waved around on Jan. 6th. Don't forget, the majority of the Republican party faithful still believe tRump was robbed.

Around these parts the sight of "We WON! posters are out in force.
Trump 2020 signs never were removed.

Also will sometimes have a flag upside down a flying too.

I'm not the only one that thinks this is a possibility:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-...b0bcd2193f3d72

Might just be the calm before the storm right now....:eek:

If the Repubs take Congress next year sadly we could be headed that way.

Civil war is not going to happen.

The population would not split into two opposing camps, or even half a dozen organized factions battling each other.

The military forces would prevail in short order. Someone would establish themselves as a dictator.

We don't need a civil war, a tax revolt should do it. Remember "no taxation without representation"?

There'll be no revolution, either.

They'd shut the internet down; no money transactions, no gas pumps working, no electricity.

We'd be in the dark ages, fighting and killing each other to survive.

It wouldn't need to be two opposing groups or an all out fight per se. Just enough disturbances to give an impression. Don't forget, the majority of Republicans view the current administration as illegitimate and a larger portion of them believe violence will be needed to regain control again.
What's in question is the military response if called on. From the link NipperDog provided.
The idea of a civil war seems far fetched but a year ago so did the idea of an armed insurrection. If the Repubs retake Congress look for them to make moves to get Diaper Don into the WH again. Don't forget they don't give a rat's ass what the will of the people is.

A complete military breakdown, coupled with a total breakdown in our social order is (God forbid) a possibility.

Emerging into viable, rival factions is not possible.

You think the USAF would divide up, under multiple leaders ? And ground force generals would choose sides ? Then the Navy with the nuclear missiles would pick which side they were on, individually ?

The USA is going to stay intact somehow.

Guess I'd be safe in saying there is agreement here on some unrest and troubled times are ahead.

The military leadership at the top is not the worry. It's factions down the ranks that I'd worry about. Then that's what the leadership would have to deal with. Wasn't there some National Guard leadership in Arizona or somewhere that said they wouldn't enforce the vaccine mandate? How far from that would be orders not to put down some uprising? When someone is convinced that their cause is right and just for the preservation of the good ol' U.S. of A. laws go out the window.
The GOP is aiming for a takeover. They want to run the show, all of it. Some there don't seem too concerned with how they achieve it either.

A couple of States talk about succeeding from the USA from time to time.

National Guard units have faced off with Federal troops on a couple of occasions, but it was all a show of political posturing. The Pentagon people would take the upper hand if it came down to it.

If Trump gets elected in 2024, the GOP may be the dominate political party for very long time (Fourth Reich style). I don't think Biden is going to be politically strong enough to stop the Trump hysteria in 2024.

We need a Superman Candidate to oppose him. I don't see who that would be.

This is a short review of martial law in the USA. It does not cover the last time it was declared, which, IIRC, was in Baltimore in the 1960s during Civil Rights unrest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRyx1aqevTs

(edit--Cambridge, Maryland, 1967 although I'm not sure about this)

Yup :(

I see to many people who are think it is nothing to be worry about. That they will always be able to speak freely have justice. These are people who never studied history or cared.

This country is full of selfish spoiled citizens. Who will cry only when it effects them personally, caring little for others pain. Never placing blame on themselves but choose to place on any innocent "others".

We I'm afraid are going to get the country we deserve.

Not the one our parents, grandparents fought and sacrificed to leave us.

Where there's smoke there's often fire...
 

if only smoldering below the surface. Way too many people think it could never happen here.

US ‘closer to civil war’ than most would like to believe, new book says
Why this matters.

Mary Trump warns her uncle will now stop at nothing to hold onto power: ‘A dangerous moment’

Diaper Don currently rules the GOP and he's not going to stop by his own volition.

DickTator Donald is now Pro-Vaccination (according to yahoo news).

I guess the ultra-right will have to leave their ARs in the truck, go in, and get a shot.

He's already said he'd gotten the shot. I saw a video clip where some of his supporters were saying they trusted him and in a neck snapping change of direction said they didn't believe everything he says when the interviewer told them he said been vaccinated. You notice it said he and Bill O'Riley were booed & jeered when they said they've gotten the jab. Bet on many in the cult continuing to take their belief to the grave.

Unrest and trouble. Beyond that very hard to predict. If the right is perceived as committing atrocities, they will be opposed. If the army is perceived as over-violent in reaction, long term guerrilla opposition could ensue. My best guess is a long period of 'troubles,' never getting as bad as our previous civil war, or full-blown civil war as in Spain or Syria, but bad enough. Dueling paramilitaries, death squads, terror, neighborhoods divided with walls and wire, all that fun stuff. How we come out on the other end is anyone's guess.

United we stand, divided we fall.

Where Newt and Rush were leading the country.

I'm concerned that too many Americans are oblivious to the existential threat that radical Republicans pose to our democracy.

We've never had a pure democracy in the USA.

The United States, under its Constitution, is a federal, representative, democratic republic. Meaning that we get to vote for people that are supposed to represent us in the decision making.

More or less. Take for example, our votes for President of the USA. It's done by an electoral college. My presidential vote gets tossed out in Kansas, unless I vote for the Republican candidate. It's been that way since Eisenhower was elected.

So off my representatives go to Washington. You think they care about what I think ? I'm working class poor, most likely I'll end up homeless thanks to all this upheaval. Money wins the elections, greases the wheels (and look where the money comes from).

IMHO, Joe Biden has the most integrity of any President since Jimmy Carter.

And he's going to get crushed by circumstances, just like Carter, inflation, etc.

Personally, I think this is the beginning of a new phase of the Biblical Tribulation.

(edit---Ronald Reagan had a lot of integrity, but that show was ran by George H. W. Bush).