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Not Insane 05-31-2021 11:45 AM

Does this smell like racism to anyone?
 
Armed Black Militia Descends On Tulsa And Promise To “Kill Everything White In Sight”
Interesting videos at the link. I'm sure CNN will be all over this because they really hate racism.

finnbow 05-31-2021 01:45 PM

You wingnuts sure seem to get your knickers in a twist when black folks exercise their Second Amendment rights. In fact, when the original Black Panthers used to show up armed at demonstrations, the NRA and Ronald Reagan came out in favor of gun control.

https://www.history.com/news/black-p...rt-mulford-act

donquixote99 05-31-2021 03:24 PM

Let's look at this little news story. I'm quoting the text from NI's link.
Quote:

Organizers staged a “March for Reparations” rally in Tulsa’s downtown area.

The domestic terror group’s news release stated, “The struggle for Reparations must be escalated.”
What group? Is that 'domestic terror group' label more than a smear? Seems to me that you critics of mainstream media think it is slanted because you're used to holding your head sideways from your own media.

Quote:

“We must fight on every front to achieve redress and Reparations for the atrocities committed upon Tulsa Massacre descendants; and we must intensify the fight to achieve Reparations for all 40-million Blacks still grossly affected by racism, inequality, wealth disparity, police brutality and the like. Tulsa will mark a new beginning in the upgraded fight for Reparations for Black people.”
Is there something wrong with this?

Quote:

During the march, activists shouted, “Black power! Black power!”
I suppose it's like the 'Black Lives Matter' slogan. Racists get triggered because assertive black people must be dangerous. I mean, when you start from the position that they are 'they,' and not 'us,' trust goes away and suspicion goes crazy.

Quote:

Another supremacist threatened white people directly and said, “Because that time will come when there’s a rat-a-tat-tat… black Americans will kill everything white in sight.”
Nice that they bothered to mention that this was a representative of a different group, though the way they phrase it, it's like the first group are 'supremacists' too. The romanticism of guns and violence and trash-talking the enemy will always have it's devotees. Certainly plenty of examples of violent rhetoric on the white side, and, historically, a LOT of examples of actions, by whites, along these lines. There are bad people on both sides, to paraphrase a recent President....

Smells to me like someone likes to spread FEAR BLACK messaging! Wonder why?

Rajoo 05-31-2021 04:11 PM

Not Insane is Insane and here is proof. From his putrid link:

Quote:

What’s even more alarming is his assertion that the COVID vaccines are set to cause a world-wide cataclysm of unprecedented proportions, including mass death among those who take them.
This from a so called world renown microbiologist when in reality, out of 134 million people vaccinated, only around 2,500 have been infected.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ugh-cases.html

Chicks 05-31-2021 08:46 PM

Gosh, yet another idiotic, pointless post from the Insane clown troll. :rolleyes:

BlueStreak 06-02-2021 12:06 AM

You know what else stinks of racism? Republican propagandists trying to push the notion of White Victimhood. It seems we're to believe the "real" victims of Americas lousy race relations is..........WHITE PEOPLE.

Gee, I wonder what the point of advancing that notion would be?

Thoughts anyone?

Oerets 06-02-2021 06:10 AM

White privilege the silent killer of our society. Anytime a group seeks equity and justice due to white privileges, the ole reverse racism argument get pushed hard. Where in reality all that is wanted is the same opportunities and treatments.

Someday the oppressed will stop just wanting equity and justice to demanding retribution.

There in lies the silent fears of many a white person enjoying privilege now, that one day they will be treated the same way are currently are treating others.......

RickeyM 06-02-2021 08:11 AM

You can't be the superior (master) race unless there is some group you deem your inferiors.

This notion of suffering the treatments inflicted on others showed itself at the ending of Apartheid. Some Afrikaners feared the countries Blacks would drive them all into the sea. When last checked their feet were still dry.

RickeyM 06-02-2021 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 400643)
You know what else stinks of racism? Republican propagandists trying to push the notion of White Victimhood. It seems we're to believe the "real" victims of Americas lousy race relations is..........WHITE PEOPLE.

Gee, I wonder what the point of advancing that notion would be?

Thoughts anyone?

The status quo must me maintained of course.

donquixote99 06-02-2021 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 400643)
You know what else stinks of racism? Republican propagandists trying to push the notion of White Victimhood. It seems we're to believe the "real" victims of Americas lousy race relations is..........WHITE PEOPLE.

Gee, I wonder what the point of advancing that notion would be?

Thoughts anyone?

It negates all claims of blacks for sympathy for wrongs done to them. It thus dissolves any unpleasant feeling of guilt, permitting righteous disdain toward the wrongdoing Others to continue.

bobabode 06-02-2021 01:49 PM

This is the 100th anniversary of the murderous looting and pillaging of Greenwood, Oklahoma aka Black Wall St by the Klan and their degenerate followers in 1921. Can you blame African Americans for their well placed anger? Try walking in their shoes sometime.



All I have to say is educate yourself a bit before spouting your vile crap, if possible.



You know what they call a hit and run post like yours? It's third class trolling I suspect just to scratch some seedy little feelings of inadequacy harbored by most white supremacists.



Maybe you should post it up at StormFront?

Not Insane 06-02-2021 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 400628)
Not Insane is Insane and here is proof. From his putrid link:



This from a so called world renown microbiologist when in reality, out of 134 million people vaccinated, only around 2,500 have been infected.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ugh-cases.html

Ad hom and deflection.
I didn't link to that.

I appreciate the effort, though. :)

Not Insane 06-02-2021 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 400625)
Let's look at this little news story. I'm quoting the text from NI's link.


What group? Is that 'domestic terror group' label more than a smear? Seems to me that you critics of mainstream media think it is slanted because you're used to holding your head sideways from your own media.



Is there something wrong with this?



I suppose it's like the 'Black Lives Matter' slogan. Racists get triggered because assertive black people must be dangerous. I mean, when you start from the position that they are 'they,' and not 'us,' trust goes away and suspicion goes crazy.



Nice that they bothered to mention that this was a representative of a different group, though the way they phrase it, it's like the first group are 'supremacists' too. The romanticism of guns and violence and trash-talking the enemy will always have it's devotees. Certainly plenty of examples of violent rhetoric on the white side, and, historically, a LOT of examples of actions, by whites, along these lines. There are bad people on both sides, to paraphrase a recent President....

Smells to me like someone likes to spread FEAR BLACK messaging! Wonder why?

Blah blah blah. I was talking about this: “Kill Everything White In Sight”

i.e. you are deflecting.

Not Insane 06-02-2021 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 400656)
This is the 100th anniversary of the murderous looting and pillaging of Greenwood, Oklahoma aka Black Wall St by the Klan and their degenerate followers in 1921. Can you blame African Americans for their well placed anger? Try walking in their shoes sometime.

Yes, I can blame them. And I do.

Learn from the past, live in the present and prepare for the future.
Being perpetually angry for the past (that didn't even affect you) is the road to misery. Ask the Palestinians.

Not Insane 06-02-2021 03:14 PM

Have you guys scared off all the conservatives?

bobabode 06-02-2021 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Insane (Post 400659)
Yes, I can blame them. And I do.

Learn from the past, live in the present and prepare for the future.
Being perpetually angry for the past (that didn't even affect you) is the road to misery. Ask the Palestinians.


You sir are what you claim others are. Respectfully, piss off.



(ignored)

Rajoo 06-02-2021 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Insane (Post 400660)
Have you guys scared off all the conservatives?

No, but we do piss off MORONS and you sound like one. Besides you are too ignorant to have a meaningful discussion with.

donquixote99 06-02-2021 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Insane (Post 400658)
Blah blah blah. I was talking about this: “Kill Everything White In Sight”

i.e. you are deflecting.

Not deflecting. I addressed that.

No pleasing you. You bitch about ad hom responses, but won't engage with substantive response. Just use your response to repeat the trigger phrase I figure you're paid to spread. As ever, attempts to talk to you are worse than useless.

Chicks 06-02-2021 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 400666)
Not deflecting. I addressed that.

No pleasing you. You bitch about ad hom responses, but won't engage with substantive response. Just use your response to repeat the trigger phrase I figure you're paid to spread. As ever, attempts to talk to you are worse than useless.

He is pointless. An ignorant, despicable troll, purveyor of hate. Sad. :mad:

bobabode 06-02-2021 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 400665)
No, but we do piss off MORONS and you sound like one. Besides you are too ignorant to have a meaningful discussion with.


On the nose, Raj. It sure is funny how these alt-conservatives are such delicate little hothouse flowers. In lieu of cogent arguments and or honest engagement they piss and moan about being "cancelled" when that is one of their favorite tactics used to vicious effect on their own. Oh well, I'm done with this one. He simply isn't worth the keystrokes.

barbara 06-03-2021 10:33 AM

Not Insane asked if we had scared off all of the conservatives. Now, I know he was talking about this internet site...but, what about the bigger picture?

It seems to me there aren't many real republicans/conservatives left. Or, if there are, they are hiding in closets while the Trump supporters are running wild.

This is upsetting to me because I really believe that our democracy deserves and needs at least two healthy parties. Right now, that is non existent and does not bode well for our future.

I look forward to the return of real republicans/conservatives to the national discussion (as well as to this site) so that our country can heal and move on from the chaos created in the previous administration.

BlueStreak 06-04-2021 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 400654)
It negates all claims of blacks for sympathy for wrongs done to them. It thus dissolves any unpleasant feeling of guilt, permitting righteous disdain toward the wrongdoing Others to continue.

It's brilliant in an evil sort of way, recasting the oppressor as the oppressed. Why not? They've succeeded in convincing half of this country that the billionaire class is horribly exploited by lazy, greedy workers. Why not rearrange history to read that we white folks were victimized by emancipation and the civil rights movement? When you're a soulless bastard, such a thing is perfectly acceptable.

BlueStreak 06-04-2021 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barbara (Post 400669)
Not Insane asked if we had scared off all of the conservatives. Now, I know he was talking about this internet site...but, what about the bigger picture?

It seems to me there aren't many real republicans/conservatives left. Or, if there are, they are hiding in closets while the Trump supporters are running wild.

This is upsetting to me because I really believe that our democracy deserves and needs at least two healthy parties. Right now, that is non existent and does not bode well for our future.

I look forward to the return of real republicans/conservatives to the national discussion (as well as to this site) so that our country can heal and move on from the chaos created in the previous administration.

Except if you really think about the last 40 years, it's the "real Republicans/conservatives" who set the stage for this BS. It was 1980 when Paul Weyrich bemoaned the fact that conservatives only win when next to nobody votes...... So, why should Conservatives want anyone to vote?

I think what we're seeing today has been brewing since the 1960s, Goldwater and Nixon.

Oerets 06-04-2021 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 400674)
Except if you really think about the last 40 years, it's the "real Republicans/conservatives" who set the stage for this BS. It was 1980 when Paul Weyrich bemoaned the fact that conservatives only win when next to nobody votes...... So, why should Conservatives want anyone to vote?

I think what we're seeing today has been brewing since the 1960s, Goldwater and Nixon.

Must also add the assault on public education undertaken by the right in the past over the years. The rise of home, charter and private schools now receiving tax dollars. There in segregating, isolating controlling the young minds.

Indoctrinating them into religious or beliefs of exclusion rather then inclusion. Building a army of followers who are easily controlled now. Not accustom to being around people "the others" unlike themselves in body and soul.....

RickeyM 06-04-2021 07:50 AM

And when those Republicans/conservatives and the GQP/POT loons currently driving the party are referred to as the American Taliban they scream bloody murder.

Not Insane 06-04-2021 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barbara (Post 400669)
Not Insane asked if we had scared off all of the conservatives. Now, I know he was talking about this internet site...but, what about the bigger picture?

It seems to me there aren't many real republicans/conservatives left. Or, if there are, they are hiding in closets while the Trump supporters are running wild.

This is upsetting to me because I really believe that our democracy deserves and needs at least two healthy parties. Right now, that is non existent and does not bode well for our future.

I look forward to the return of real republicans/conservatives to the national discussion (as well as to this site) so that our country can heal and move on from the chaos created in the previous administration.

Where did the conservatives go? Cancel culture is trying to disapear them. I believe both sides should be free to state their case and the truth can percolate to the top. But when people are being cancelled, banned, etc. simply because some people "in control" don't like what they are saying, those doing the banning/cancelling are exposing their fear of the ideas of others.

I've been on a LOT of forums since 1997 and, until last year, was a member in good standing on a lot of sites. Nothing in my MO changed, but because they didn't like what I was saying or my links, I've been banned from five. That's all. They simply didn't like what I was saying. A simple example: Mentioning Ivermectin's success was considered "dangerous", so I was banned on one site.

The video below actually sums up what was really going on in political forums and other venues a LOT at the time it was created. The right "owned" the internet. The quantity of ad-hom foisted on conservatives when they would try to give valid arguments became downright comical. In fact, one site that was very much like this one - mostly free for all and mostly leftist - made a rule change: No ad-hominem.

Within a couple of months over half the leftists were permabanned. Some on the right were too, but the site became much more balanced. The smart/old ones on the left learned to avoid personal attacks. The younger ones just couldn't help themselves. Emotion eventually ruled their responses.

So "trolling" became against the rules. And what is trolling? If I post something like my thread this morning from American Thinker, some will argue that it is "trolling", simply because people disagree with it and feel they are being "trolled". I suppose that would be true if you walked into a BLM meeting and said "all lives matter", or walked into a KKK meeting and said, "black lives matter". But this site is not BLM or the KKK. It is supposed to be a bit more free thinking than that, and open to ideas by all sides, where those ideas are allowed to stand or fall by their veracity.

And if one side destroys their position with constant ad-hominem attacks, well, those people are sending a message as well - but they don't realized the message they are sending is about themselves, not those they are attacking.

Anyway, the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s

This video predates cancel culture. In some ways, it is prophetic.

barbara 06-04-2021 11:51 AM

BlueStreak, Oerets, and Ricky,
you make good points. Something like what is happening right now doesn't just come about over night. It takes time and deliberate strategy.

bobabode 06-04-2021 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Insane (Post 400679)
Where did the conservatives go? Cancel culture is trying to disapear them. I believe both sides should be free to state their case and the truth can percolate to the top. But when people are being cancelled, banned, etc. simply because some people "in control" don't like what they are saying, those doing the banning/cancelling are exposing their fear of the ideas of others.

I've been on a LOT of forums since 1997 and, until last year, was a member in good standing on a lot of sites. Nothing in my MO changed, but because they didn't like what I was saying or my links, I've been banned from five. That's all. They simply didn't like what I was saying. A simple example: Mentioning Ivermectin's success was considered "dangerous", so I was banned on one site.

The video below actually sums up what was really going on in political forums and other venues a LOT at the time it was created. The right "owned" the internet. The quantity of ad-hom foisted on conservatives when they would try to give valid arguments became downright comical. In fact, one site that was very much like this one - mostly free for all and mostly leftist - made a rule change: No ad-hominem.

Within a couple of months over half the leftists were permabanned. Some on the right were too, but the site became much more balanced. The smart/old ones on the left learned to avoid personal attacks. The younger ones just couldn't help themselves. Emotion eventually ruled their responses.

So "trolling" became against the rules. And what is trolling? If I post something like my thread this morning from American Thinker, some will argue that it is "trolling", simply because people disagree with it and feel they are being "trolled". I suppose that would be true if you walked into a BLM meeting and said "all lives matter", or walked into a KKK meeting and said, "black lives matter". But this site is not BLM or the KKK. It is supposed to be a bit more free thinking than that, and open to ideas by all sides, where those ideas are allowed to stand or fall by their veracity.

And if one side destroys their position with constant ad-hominem attacks, well, those people are sending a message as well - but they don't realized the message they are sending is about themselves, not those they are attacking.

Anyway, the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s

This video predates cancel culture. In some ways, it is prophetic.

Note: YouTube video is content from Townhall Media.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townhall

BlueStreak 06-04-2021 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Insane (Post 400679)
Where did the conservatives go? Cancel culture is trying to disapear them. I believe both sides should be free to state their case and the truth can percolate to the top. But when people are being cancelled, banned, etc. simply because some people "in control" don't like what they are saying, those doing the banning/cancelling are exposing their fear of the ideas of others.

I've been on a LOT of forums since 1997 and, until last year, was a member in good standing on a lot of sites. Nothing in my MO changed, but because they didn't like what I was saying or my links, I've been banned from five. That's all. They simply didn't like what I was saying. A simple example: Mentioning Ivermectin's success was considered "dangerous", so I was banned on one site.

The video below actually sums up what was really going on in political forums and other venues a LOT at the time it was created. The right "owned" the internet. The quantity of ad-hom foisted on conservatives when they would try to give valid arguments became downright comical. In fact, one site that was very much like this one - mostly free for all and mostly leftist - made a rule change: No ad-hominem.

Within a couple of months over half the leftists were permabanned. Some on the right were too, but the site became much more balanced. The smart/old ones on the left learned to avoid personal attacks. The younger ones just couldn't help themselves. Emotion eventually ruled their responses.

So "trolling" became against the rules. And what is trolling? If I post something like my thread this morning from American Thinker, some will argue that it is "trolling", simply because people disagree with it and feel they are being "trolled". I suppose that would be true if you walked into a BLM meeting and said "all lives matter", or walked into a KKK meeting and said, "black lives matter". But this site is not BLM or the KKK. It is supposed to be a bit more free thinking than that, and open to ideas by all sides, where those ideas are allowed to stand or fall by their veracity.

And if one side destroys their position with constant ad-hominem attacks, well, those people are sending a message as well - but they don't realized the message they are sending is about themselves, not those they are attacking.

Anyway, the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s

This video predates cancel culture. In some ways, it is prophetic.

And sometimes trolling really is just trolling. Sometimes the trolls get trolled. Sometimes Liberals and Conservatives get banned because they deserve it. I've been banned from Facebook seven times. I'm in Facebook jail as I type.....until Monday. At least four of those seven times, I deserved it and I freely admit it. Can't help myself. As I will also freely admit, I absolutely despise people who reason entirely by rumor, catch phrase, slogan and obvious propaganda, doing virtually NO thinking of their own. I feel the same way about certain religious cults as well. Every political organization has them but to my mind, I find the Trump camp to be the most heavily infested.

A few questions; Does the march to eliminate racism against racial minorities turn into racism against whites? Or more to my point, when does the cry against this supposed, "reverse racism" or the belief in "white victimhood" become a way to blow smoke, confuse the issue and draw attention away from racism against racial minorities? Do you feel victimized by the NAACP, SPLC and BLM as many Conservatives seem too?

Hopefully, you comprehend the questions as I await your astute replies.:rolleyes:

bobabode 06-04-2021 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 400621)
You wingnuts sure seem to get your knickers in a twist when black folks exercise their Second Amendment rights. In fact, when the original Black Panthers used to show up armed at demonstrations, the NRA and Ronald Reagan came out in favor of gun control.

https://www.history.com/news/black-p...rt-mulford-act

Well, N-I? Care to respond to this post? It's on point to your thread.

Pio1980 06-04-2021 02:34 PM

As per thread title;
https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/...io/7508217002/

RickeyM 06-04-2021 03:01 PM

His speech deviated from the White, er right version of history.

donquixote99 06-04-2021 05:12 PM

Critical Race Academics: America continues to be racist, structurally, in part because of laws that function to support whites and disadvantage blacks.

Republicans: we're going to pass laws against saying that!

Pio1980 06-04-2021 05:13 PM

Critical race history, not "theory".

Pio1980 06-04-2021 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Insane (Post 400679)
Where did the conservatives go? Cancel culture is trying to disapear them. I believe both sides should be free to state their case and the truth can percolate to the top. But when people are being cancelled, banned, etc. simply because some people "in control" don't like what they are saying, those doing the banning/cancelling are exposing their fear of the ideas of others.

I've been on a LOT of forums since 1997 and, until last year, was a member in good standing on a lot of sites. Nothing in my MO changed, but because they didn't like what I was saying or my links, I've been banned from five. That's all. They simply didn't like what I was saying. A simple example: Mentioning Ivermectin's success was considered "dangerous", so I was banned on one site.

The video below actually sums up what was really going on in political forums and other venues a LOT at the time it was created. The right "owned" the internet. The quantity of ad-hom foisted on conservatives when they would try to give valid arguments became downright comical. In fact, one site that was very much like this one - mostly free for all and mostly leftist - made a rule change: No ad-hominem.

Within a couple of months over half the leftists were permabanned. Some on the right were too, but the site became much more balanced. The smart/old ones on the left learned to avoid personal attacks. The younger ones just couldn't help themselves. Emotion eventually ruled their responses.

So "trolling" became against the rules. And what is trolling? If I post something like my thread this morning from American Thinker, some will argue that it is "trolling", simply because people disagree with it and feel they are being "trolled". I suppose that would be true if you walked into a BLM meeting and said "all lives matter", or walked into a KKK meeting and said, "black lives matter". But this site is not BLM or the KKK. It is supposed to be a bit more free thinking than that, and open to ideas by all sides, where those ideas are allowed to stand or fall by their veracity.

And if one side destroys their position with constant ad-hominem attacks, well, those people are sending a message as well - but they don't realized the message they are sending is about themselves, not those they are attacking.

Anyway, the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s

This video predates cancel culture. In some ways, it is prophetic.

Please!
The Jan 6 Magamoron insurrection attempted to cancel an election.

Pio1980 06-04-2021 09:22 PM

An American Legion post is suspended after a microphone was cut during a speech that touched on Black people's role in Memorial Day
https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0aL7e...99&pd=07Awuxuy

bobabode 06-04-2021 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 400718)
An American Legion post is suspended after a microphone was cut during a speech that touched on Black people's role in Memorial Day
https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0aL7e...99&pd=07Awuxuy

Konservative Kancel Kulture at it's best.

donquixote99 06-05-2021 08:03 AM

Impressively quick and incisive action by the State American Legion people.

BlueStreak 06-05-2021 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Insane (Post 400658)
Blah blah blah. I was talking about this: “Kill Everything White In Sight”

i.e. you are deflecting.

Okay, you got us. Your fear of Black people seizing control of the country and murdering all the White folks is coming true. I should know, I was in the meetings disguised as the ghost of Stokely Carmichael. Better arm up and be ready, cuz we comin' after you, first....... Good Grief.:rolleyes:

Ike Bana 06-13-2021 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Not Insane (Post 400679)
Where did the conservatives go? Cancel culture is trying to disapear them.

"Cancel Culture" is nonsense con-job propaganda. And besides, the most notorious culprits of trying to silence their opponents are congressional Republicans. Just ask Liz Cheney.


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