The term "Native American" is wrong and dishonest
 

Let me count the ways:

1. The many Indian tribes emigrated from Asia. They were not "native" to this land.

2. At the time the settlers colonized this place, it was known only as the New World. The term "America" comes from an Italian sea explorer "Amerigo Vespucci." The United States did not even exist at the time. So it is idiotic to refer to either Indians or Americans as all immigrants. Colonists and Indians came here before immigration law was written.

3. It is okay to call them Indians. In fact, they prefer it. The myth of Columbus allegedly seeking India is just that, a myth. At the time of Columbus's journey, the country known today as India was called Hindustan. The term Indian actually comes from Columbus's inability to speak good Spanish at the time he landed in what would now be called the West Indies. He referred to these people as "Una Gente in Dios." A people in God. In Dios. Indians.

4. When you consider what America did to the Indians, (kill 20 or so million of them, destroy five hundred separate cultures, herd the survivors onto the worst land we can find) why in the name of Zeus's BUTTHOLE would they want to name themselves after the country that did this? "Native Americans."

What is racist and dishonest is you trying to tell another collective what to call themselves. There's not much in a name, actually, but there's a lot in who gets to pin a label on who. You have no standing to bitch here. They are under no obligation to make their name conform to your squirrely logic.

And that's that!

That you're a troll? :D

Or is there something else I am supposed to glean?

Floriduh Man speaks. :rolleyes:

It has been sorta' boring around here without someone of the troll persuasion around :D

You're trying too hard. In Canada they're called 'First Nations'.. is that more apropos?

Very simply, pretty much they claim to be is a lie. That's the dishonest part. Native Americans? That's a lie. Lying is a form of dishonesty.

By trying to move beyond what they are is racist. They are not a separate race from other Americans. They may be a separate culture, but not a separate race. As far as having standing to bitch here, you need to look up the term "bitch," at least the colloquial form which I'm assuming you're using. I'm discussing an issue, not necessarily complaining about it.

As far as standing goes, the FIRST AMENDMENT pretty much settled the argument a couple of centuries ago.

And someone who hates the Republican party with such a passion really has no room to talk, when it comes to squirrely logic. The Republican Party freed the black slaves, get them and women the right to vote, and gave America the greatest economies in history.

Just remember, Jim Crow is YOUR side of the aisle, not mine.

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I'm just like you. Here to discuss political issues. I'm no different. If there's something you do not like about my views, that doesn't automatically earn a troll label.

You have to learn that not everybody thinks like you, and they aren't all trolls.

I gave logical, reasoned opinions about Native Americans. You have to deal with them. This isn't a safe space.

Florida has the best schools and the best educated population in America.

If it bothers you, don't come down here. Right now, most of the country is coming down here to get away from the cold. People are moving down here to get away from idiot Democrat politicians in rust bowl states.

We have the best governor in the country. We have the best economy.

(Note to woke snowflakes: Disagreement with your cherished extremist left wing views does not rise to the level of troll. You need to grow up.)

Do you define someone who disagrees with a Woke Cancel Culture Snowflake as a troll? Is that your program? The politics of the Safe Space?

(In the life of a Florida substitute teacher, sometimes third and fourth graders make such detours in illogic. They have an excuse. They don't know any better. I have to admit, this is a bit more eye opening.)

The term "Native American" is a lie. If you wish to call them Native Canadians, then you have to make the case that they created the Canadian political system and were the original founding fathers.

History says otherwise. Indians migrated to the New World centuries before the white Europeans discovered it.

In America, there is a government office called the "Bureau of Indian Affairs." It isn't called Bureau of Native American Affairs. Most Indians prefer to be called Indians, rather than Native Americans.

Nobody disputes that many tribes were shoved off their land with the United States westward expansion. Nobody disputes the sheer injustice and cruelty of that move. There are Indians today who claim the United States has violated every treaty with every Indian tribe in the country. Nobody is denying that.

You need to glean about 12 years of education. You need to read something other than the narrow minded racist sources of news you follow. You need to expand your brain to accept or at least give the benefit of the doubt to alternative ways of thinking.

Someone comes here from the superior intellect state of Florida and injects a few non traditional non WOKE views and he is automatically a troll.

In most of America history, white Democrats pretty much did the same thing, especially in the mid 19th Century when they railed against the mean old "abolitionist" Republicans who wanted to stop the practice of buying and selling human beings as farm equipment. And that mentality even survived the societal upheaval of the Sixties, when Republicans pushed the Civil Rights Act into law, making it a crime to discriminate on the basis of race. Republicans also deserve the credit for giving blacks and women the right to vote, something Democrats fought tooth an nail against.

You only prove that Democrats haven't changed much since the Jim Crow days. Their extreme fear laden mentality is pretty much the same.

And I, the person with different views, am a troll?

Doesn't say much for the myth of the open minded liberal.

'Native' is a comparative term, and so no lie. By the standard you advance no one is native to anyplace except maybe some small range in Africa a million years ago.

The first Amendment settled that you can say any silly thing you like without government retribution. It says nothing about how others should judge it's appropriateness. I remain of the opinion I expressed.

You are just engaging in passive aggressive racism, attacking a minority group in what you think is a deniable way.

Irrational partisan mudslinging ignored.

'Native' is a comparative term, and so no lie. By the standard you advance no one is native to anyplace except maybe some small range in Africa a million years ago.

I'm not here to play idiotic word games. I have the FACTS. There is no such thing as a Native American. When those tribes came here, America did not exist. If they had formed the United States of America, complete with Constitution and government, and the European settlers came over and conquered the land and took everything, you would be able to call them Indians.

I've already explained the etymology of the word Indian, and how it is not related to some fictional lie about Columbus seeking India, when he was seeking Hindustan. You need to pay attention in class.

The first Amendment settled that you can say any silly thing you like without government retribution. It says nothing about how others should judge it's appropriateness. I remain of the opinion I expressed.


I just found it telling that you would refer to someone with different views as a TROLL. In other words, anyone who you don't agree with is here to start trouble. In other words, I give facts and you respond with an insult, without even attempting to debate the material or learn more about it.



You are just engaging in passive aggressive racism, attacking a minority group in what you think is a deniable way.

(Hangs head, after reading typical ignorant WOKE comebacks. Something you don't like, call it racist.)


What race? Negroid? Caucasian? Mongolian? What race are American Indians?

I have some Lumbee friends up in North Carolina who would punch your teeth out if you tried to lump them with the vicious and cannibal Tequesta tribes in Florida. Are you now saying ALL these diverse tribes (Iroquois, Apache, Arapaho, Cayuga, Caloosa, Seminole, Shawnee, Shoshone, Hopi, Klamath, Navajo, Paiute, etc) are the same RACE? Do you KNOW anything about these and the other THOUSANDS of Indian tribes in the United States to lump them all into one category? And yet, you get pissy when I call them what they were originally called by Columbus, and what they prefer to be called:INDIAN.


Perhaps you can 'splain why there is STILL a Bureau of Indian Affairs. We've gone through many Democrat Congresses and Presidents (and have the wars and damaged economies to show for it) and there is no Bureau Of Native American affairs. Can you 'splain that?

You need more education and less namecalling. You need to get rid of labels and actually learn about some people.

I'm not a troll. Apparently, I'm a TEACHER, here.
What's the difference in what I'm saying and what you're saying? You're lumping them all into one mass yourself. Who is the racist here? You're doing the same thing.

To paraphrase Forrest Gump "A troll is as a troll does". Bye Felicia

And you start and proceed to argue over a word. The term 'etymology' is even used. What you aren't here to do is argue with any intellectual honesty, I'd say.


Dishonest again. I never used the word 'troll' in a post referring to you.

Why do you care so much, then, about what word is used to refer to the indigenous people of America, collectively? Your rhetorical purpose is to invalidate the entire politics of the quest for racial justice. It's an inherently racist project.

1. You didn't.
2. I don't.
3. It is, for those who engage in intellectual honesty.

But I appreciate your vigor if nothing else.

That said, I will bother to answer your question of why the BIA still exists. It exists because it's the least expensive option to assuage white guilt in the United States.

In other words, I shouldn't try confusing you with facts.

In other words, I shouldn't try confusing you with facts.

And you start and proceed to argue over a word. The term 'etymology' is even used. What you aren't here to do is argue with any intellectual honesty, I'd say.



The thread is about the term Native American being wrong and dishonest. One of your responses was to say the word "native" is a comparative term. That's the word games I'm referring to.


Dishonest again. I never used the word 'troll' in a post referring to you.

You called me a racist, even though you weren't prepared to say which race you are accusing me of bashing.


Why do you care so much, then, about what word is used to refer to the indigenous people of America, collectively?

Perhaps it is because (a) they are no more indigenous to this land than anyone else, (b) Indians get VERY indignant when you try to define them collectively. Pretty much the term "Native American" does just that. And it isn't even a correct term.



Your rhetorical purpose is to invalidate the entire politics of the quest for racial justice. It's an inherently racist project.

Racial justice? What would you define as racial justice?

To do that, you have to come up with a race. Are you now lumping ALL Indian tribes into ONE RACE, when they don't even speak the same language, worship the same god, etc? How does that work.

I apologize up front from veering off topic here, but when you said racial justice, are you about to uncap the Pandora's Box of Slave Reparations? That kind of racial justice?

If that's the case, are you going to demand that pretend Vice President Harris pay her fair share of slave reparations since her grandfather owned and sold slaves in Jamaica?

Again, I apologize for going off topic, but racial justice just opens a can of worms.

You are dumber than a rock. English, French, German, Spanish, Greek, Russian, Danish, Italian are some of the languages spoken in majority white countries.

Russians are Asians. I think a rock would score higher on a high school SAT than you.

Oh yes, how could I miss the resemblance between Putin and Xi. :D
Btw, did you happen to catch the new years celebration in Moscow yesterday?

That one was certainly a classic. Mr. X ties himself in ornate knots over nationalism and ethnicity.

Oh yes, how could I miss the resemblance between Putin and Xi. :D

Think Maxine Waters resembles Senator Ted Cruz? Think James Brown resembled Barry Manilow? They were all Americans.


Btw, did you happen to catch the new years celebration in Moscow yesterday?]

Truthfully, my donation box is once again devoid of any rat's ass material when it comes to Russia.

So you think that Eddie Murphy and Jim Carrey could be twins? Do you think Maxine Waters looks anything like Mitch McConnell? They are both Americans.


Here's a little clue. The term American applies to CITIZENS of America, either born in America or naturalized through legal immigration. Because people from all over the world want to come here and because America is the most open minded society in the entire world, we have a lot of diverse looking people who ALL carry the label American.

Seems like the only ones tying themselves into knots over ethnicity are you Woke libs. For some reason, when you lose an argument, the race card always comes out.