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watsup1000 08-05-2020 05:23 PM

Tammy Duckworth
 
She would be my pick for VP at this point. Negatives are titanium legs, or at least the right-wingers would try to make it so, and a young child in tow. Still, at this point, I think that she is the most qualified candidate.
But evidently Kamala Harris has the inside track. I just don’t care for her. I didn’t like her constant race baiting of Biden in the first debate. One Democrat should not do that to the other. And to me at least, she just doesn’t seem to have the gravitas to be president “just in case”.
Anyway, this is a campaign letter from Tammy Duckworth, and I agree:

Those of us who have served this nation in uniform understand just how important it is for our Commander in Chief to have not only the depth of experience needed to protect our country, but also the humility to recognize the magnitude of the sacrifices our troops make on their orders.

Joe Biden is a man who understands honor, empathy, and compassion. He's the father of a brave U.S. servicemember. He has felt the unimaginable pain of burying children and loved ones, then shown the unbelievable resilience necessary to recover. Resilience that we will need to help our country recover from this pandemic. And Joe has promised to work for all of America's families just as he would for his own.

All of those qualities -- not to mention his years of experience guiding America through challenges both foreign and domestic as Barack Obama’s Vice President -- are what make Joe Biden the leader this moment in history demands. Donald Trump has shown that his priorities are Trump first, America last, so I'm asking you to join me as we work to turn the page on this dark chapter in our country's history once and for all on November 3rd.

watsup1000 08-05-2020 05:24 PM

Oops. In the title: Duckworth
Another attribute: What a great last name!

bobabode 08-05-2020 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watsup1000 (Post 389326)
Oops. In the title: Duckworth
Another attribute: What a great last name!

Indeed. Fixed. ;)

Oerets 08-05-2020 05:54 PM

I like her too!

Biden has a great list of picks.

Anyone of which would be very capable and ready to hit the ground running.

RickeyM 08-05-2020 09:02 PM

Fucker Carlson doesn't like her so she must be alright ;)

Zeke 08-05-2020 09:41 PM

There are a myriad of decent picks but a couple that I'd rather see in the administration but not as VP.

Susan Rice, for example, is great for SecST but not VP, to me.

watsup1000 08-05-2020 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 389352)
There are a myriad of decent picks but a couple that I'd rather see in the administration but not as VP.

Susan Rice, for example, is great for SecST but not VP, to me.

Agreed. She just doesn’t seem to have the personality for VP.

Ike Bana 08-06-2020 02:03 PM

When I saw Harris tear Cornyn a new asshole right on the Senate Floor, and every word of it right off the top of her head...that was all I needed.

Ike Bana 08-07-2020 08:09 AM

We have known all about Tammy Duckworth for almost 15 years. We voted for her in 2006 when she ran for US House IL-6 and lost to creepy Peter Roskam by a point and a half. Roskam went on to win that seat five more times, but finally lost in 2018 to Sean Casten, when DuPage County and IL-6 went totally blue. We have lived in IL-6 since the reign of Henry Hyde, in many of those years three quarters of the local and county elections were won by Republicans who ran unopposed in the General Election. Not anymore.

On November 6, 2012, she defeated that idiot confederate and dead beat dad Joe Walsh 55%–45% for the US House IL-8 seat. Re-elected in 2014. She was the first Asian-American from Illinois in Congress, the first woman with a disability elected to Congress, and the first member of Congress born in Thailand. I'm pretty sure she was also the first woman US Army combat helicopter pilot, disabled in action, to be elected to the US Congress.

We voted for her in her successful 2016 run for IL US Senate seat, beating incumbent Republican Mark Kirk (about the least offensive Republican in the US Senate) by 14 points.

She's great. Our second choice. Tammy is also the author of the term "Cadet Bone Spurs."

donquixote99 08-07-2020 08:15 AM

Born in Thailand? Of American parents? Otherwise she'd be a veep ineligible to serve as president.

Oerets 08-07-2020 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 389432)
Born in Thailand? Of American parents? Otherwise she'd be a veep ineligible to serve as president.

Do you mean "Thighland"??

BTW what is the capital of Bangacock?

donquixote99 08-07-2020 10:45 AM

About 37 Billion $.

Waggs098 08-07-2020 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oerets (Post 389434)
Do you mean "Thighland"??

BTW what is the capital of Bangacock?

What do you mean by "thighland"?

Chicks 08-07-2020 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 389463)
What do you mean by "thighland"?

Ask your idiot, incompetent fool of a Dear Leader...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...-idUSKCN2531FW

Waggs098 08-07-2020 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 389464)
Ask your idiot, incompetent fool of a Dear Leader...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...-idUSKCN2531FW

Ah got it. Haha. Kinda like corpse men and obama.

Oerets 08-07-2020 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 389464)
Ask your idiot, incompetent fool of a Dear Leader...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...-idUSKCN2531FW


I now have to get another drink and clean off the computer screen.....


THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

Waggs098 08-07-2020 06:23 PM

Here it is.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...EE8B&FORM=VIRE

For the record I never held it against Obama that he mispronounced a word.

RickeyM 08-07-2020 10:07 PM

Coffeve
Hamberders
Yo-Semite
Infantroopen
Heroilynn
ICE Offices
Susbesdig
Transpants
Protectered
Pivittible
Sock Rocket
and the recent "Thighland"
BIGLY!

RickeyM 08-07-2020 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 389464)
Ask your idiot, incompetent fool of a Dear Leader...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...-idUSKCN2531FW

https://i1.wp.com/i.kym-cdn.com/phot...ng?w=640&ssl=1

Ike Bana 08-07-2020 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 389484)
Coffeve
Hamberders
Yo-Semite
Infantroopen
Heroilynn
ICE Offices
Susbesdig
Transpants
Protectered
Pivittible
Sock Rocket
and the recent "Thighland"
BIGLY!

"...underlining condition, underlining elderly..."

FordGT90 08-08-2020 12:45 AM

The only picks that are "maybes" for me are Bottoms, Abrams, and Whitmer. The rest have too much baggage or are too far left:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN2532TT

Harris: Her performance in Senate committees is repulsive, specifically during Kavanaugh confirmation hearings. She's strikes me as hyper-racist, ill-tempered, and hyper-partisan. The party itself wasn't interested in her on the ballot because these problems are obvious whenever she speaks. She's not leader material. Voted for impeachment which had no Constitutional basis.

Rice: Literally the only thing she is known for was being thrown in front of the Benghazi bus by Obama. Not leadership material.

Bass: One of the rare Democrats to support Green New Deal, hard pass. Voted for impeachment which had no Constitutional basis.

Demmings: Had enough of her as one of the House Managers during the trial. That raspy voice is unforgettable for all the wrong reasons. Voted for impeachment which had no Constitutional basis.

Duckworth: Likely doesn't pass the Constitutional test for "natural born citizen;" ergo, unqualified to hold the position.

Bottoms: Actions as mayor caused a massive drop in morale by police officers in the city leaving the city virtually undefended at a time when it is most needed. I might forgive this but she's lacking in political experience and publication of policy positions.

Warren: Almost as far left as Sanders and that's a serious problem. Hard pass.

Abrams: Maybe okay but there's a lack of experience/information around her. What little is available on her, she strikes me as the most moderate of those named...potentially too moderate. She might fit in with the group of religious black Democrats that agree more with religious white Republicans than the Democratic base. As such, the Democratic party may have a problem with her.

Grisham: What she did vis-à-vis electricity in New Mexico is the surest sign of a politician that doesn't understand the ramifications of her actions. She also sued the surgeon whom attempted to save her husband's life, later dropping the suit. There's not much information available on her but half of what I'm finding is not good.

Whitmer: Not much information again. What little is available is balanced in favor rather than opposed.

donquixote99 08-08-2020 06:48 AM

The crime of bribery is committed both by the person who offers an illegal inducement, and the person who accepts one. If I offer you $100 to do something, that's an inducement. If I already owe you $100 and I offer to not withhold payment, that's an inducement too.

You'll find the word bribery right there in the impeachment clause, in the Constitution.

Pio1980 08-08-2020 07:03 AM

Opinions that defy facts are worthless.

RickeyM 08-08-2020 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 389491)
Opinions that defy facts are worthless.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/68195949.jpg

Ike Bana 08-08-2020 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 389467)
Here it is.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...EE8B&FORM=VIRE

For the record I never held it against Obama that he mispronounced a word.

Bullshit whataboutism. Trump mispronounces a plethora of words because he's so fucking intellectually lazy, and has never had a moment of intellectual curiosity that didn't involve the next creative way he could fuck over the next innocent victim who had the misfortune of crossing his path.

Ike Bana 08-08-2020 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordGT90 (Post 389487)
The only picks that are "maybes" for me are Bottoms, Abrams, and Whitmer. The rest have too much baggage or are too far left:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN2532TT

Harris: Her performance in Senate committees is repulsive, specifically during Kavanaugh confirmation hearings. She's strikes me as hyper-racist, ill-tempered, and hyper-partisan. The party itself wasn't interested in her on the ballot because these problems are obvious whenever she speaks. She's not leader material. Voted for impeachment which had no Constitutional basis.

Rice: Literally the only thing she is known for was being thrown in front of the Benghazi bus by Obama. Not leadership material.

Bass: One of the rare Democrats to support Green New Deal, hard pass. Voted for impeachment which had no Constitutional basis.

Demmings: Had enough of her as one of the House Managers during the trial. That raspy voice is unforgettable for all the wrong reasons. Voted for impeachment which had no Constitutional basis.

Duckworth: Likely doesn't pass the Constitutional test for "natural born citizen;" ergo, unqualified to hold the position.

Bottoms: Actions as mayor caused a massive drop in morale by police officers in the city leaving the city virtually undefended at a time when it is most needed. I might forgive this but she's lacking in political experience and publication of policy positions.

Warren: Almost as far left as Sanders and that's a serious problem. Hard pass.

Abrams: Maybe okay but there's a lack of experience/information around her. What little is available on her, she strikes me as the most moderate of those named...potentially too moderate. She might fit in with the group of religious black Democrats that agree more with religious white Republicans than the Democratic base. As such, the Democratic party may have a problem with her.

Grisham: What she did vis-à-vis electricity in New Mexico is the surest sign of a politician that doesn't understand the ramifications of her actions. She also sued the surgeon whom attempted to save her husband's life, later dropping the suit. There's not much information available on her but half of what I'm finding is not good.

Whitmer: Not much information again. What little is available is balanced in favor rather than opposed.

Feh. Impeachment was the US House doing it's job, and the US Senate proving that the GOP side is, to a member, full of co-conspirators in the criminal enterprise running the executive.

If the analysis of Harris hadn't made me gag, I would have been ROTFLMAO.

Chicks 08-08-2020 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 389498)
Feh. Impeachment was the US House doing it's job, and the US Senate proving that the GOP side is, to a member, full of co-conspirators in the criminal enterprise running the executive.

If the analysis of Harris hadn't made me gag, I would have been ROTFLMAO.

This Ford Pinto clown clearly believes his uninformed, idiotic opinions are "facts". ROFL.

FordGT90 08-08-2020 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 389490)
The crime of bribery is committed both by the person who offers an illegal inducement, and the person who accepts one. If I offer you $100 to do something, that's an inducement. If I already owe you $100 and I offer to not withhold payment, that's an inducement too.

You'll find the word bribery right there in the impeachment clause, in the Constitution.

Except POTUS, as chief diplomat, is literally in charge of brokering deals with other nations. POTUS sets the tone and priorities in diplomacy as well, and Trump's focus in Ukraine was corruption, especially carried out by the previous administration.

Further, not one first hand witness said the act was bribery or extortion. They said it was odd. When the same witnesses were asked if they think Trump did anything illegal, none said yes. That's why none of it came to light until many months later when a partisan far down the chain of command saw the memo of the call and forwarded it to investigators...whom also said nothing illegal happened. Didn't stop Schiff and co, did it? Remember what the Senate trial concluded? Nothing illegal happened: acquitted on both charges.

All of those members of the House that didn't listen/heed the advice/warnings of the minority grievously errored: this was the first, and only impeachment to date, where no crime was alleged. It was a purely partisan attack and those three I pointed out were party to it. Pelosi knew a disaster brewing when not one Republican voted in favor of impeachment and not one Democrat against. The Senate exists as a barrier to mob rule and it served its function.

watsup1000 08-08-2020 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordGT90 (Post 389518)
Except POTUS, as chief diplomat, is literally in charge of brokering deals with other nations. POTUS sets the tone and priorities in diplomacy as well, and Trump's focus in Ukraine was corruption, especially carried out by the previous administration.

Further, not one first hand witness said the act was bribery or extortion. They said it was odd. When the same witnesses were asked if they think Trump did anything illegal, none said yes. That's why none of it came to light until many months later when a partisan far down the chain of command saw the memo of the call and forwarded it to investigators...whom also said nothing illegal happened. Didn't stop Schiff and co, did it? Remember what the Senate trial concluded? Nothing illegal happened: acquitted on both charges.

All of those members of the House that didn't listen/heed the advice/warnings of the minority grievously errored: this was the first, and only impeachmentt to date, where no crime was alleged. It was a purely partisan attack and those three I pointed out were party to it. Pelosi should have she had a disaster brewing when not one Republican voted in favor of impeachment and not one Democrat against. The Senate exists as a barrier to mob rule and it served its function.

Guess who’s been drinking the FOX Kool-aid?

RickeyM 08-08-2020 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordGT90 (Post 389518)
Except POTUS, as chief diplomat, is literally in charge of brokering deals with other nations. POTUS sets the tone and priorities in diplomacy as well, and Trump's focus in Ukraine was corruption, especially carried out by the previous administration.

If you're gullible enough to believe that you're gullible enough to believe tRump's a great president. No, let me change that. tRump was focused on corruption alright, engaging in it. Even with his pet AG in charge no corruption of the previous administration has been found. Oh they've alluded to some but none of it has yet to see the light of day.

Quote:

Originally Posted by watsup1000 (Post 389519)
Guess who’s been drinking the FOX Kool-aid?

By the gallon, straight up-no chaser.

Chicks 08-08-2020 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watsup1000 (Post 389519)
Guess who’s been drinking the FOX Kool-aid?

Even Faux isn't as clueless as this idiot Ford Pinto.

Judge Andrew Napolitano: Despite his impeachment trial acquittal, Trump clearly guilty of a high crime

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/judg...f-a-high-crime

Quote:

If Trump really believes he did not commit any crimes and any impeachable offenses, why would he orchestrate blocking evidence? And who – having taken an oath to do "impartial justice" – would close their eyes to the truth? How could such a marathon of speeches possibly be considered a trial?

Trump will luxuriate in his victory. But the personal victory for him is a legal assault on the Constitution. The president has taken an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. Instead, he has trashed it.

How? By manipulating Senate Republicans to bar firsthand evidence and keep it from senatorial and public scrutiny, Trump and his Senate collaborators have insulated him and future presidents from the moral and constitutional truism that no president is above the law.

Somewhere, Richard Nixon is smiling.

RickeyM 08-08-2020 11:57 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Speaking of blocking evidence...
Attachment 3539

FordGT90 08-08-2020 03:50 PM

Quote:

If Trump really believes he did not commit any crimes and any impeachable offenses, why would he orchestrate blocking evidence?
Because Congress is only to question official policy and not how the policy is made. The policy itself becomes a matter of public record so questioning people that formulated the policy is unnecessary. Basically what Schiff and co tried to do of the administration is akin to the administration attempting to require closed sessions of Schiff's committee be made public. It's unfair in both cases. Note that Trump didn't actually stop anyone from testifying that wanted to. He extended executive privilege to Fauci twice, for example, and Fauci declined it twice.

A Constitutional judge/scholar would know these things which explains why Andrew Napolitano didn't: he is neither.


Also @Chicks: lay off the opinion media. If the publisher can't vet the information then it's opinion. Information that can't be vetted is not reliable.


Quote:

Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 389524)
Speaking of blocking evidence...
Attachment 3539

Except that's false. The only person that claimed he was guilty was Vindman and his information was third or fourth hand AND his superior (Tim Morrison) spoke of Vindman having problems fitting in with the National Security Council.



Anyway...we're getting off topic here. On topic, if Duckworth is named as VP pick, it will immediately trigger federal lawsuits vis-a-vis "natural born citizen."

RickeyM 08-08-2020 08:06 PM

Does that natural born citizen clause apply? It specifies president but doesn't say anything about vice-president.

FordGT90 08-08-2020 08:24 PM

https://constitution.congress.gov/co...ion/article-2/
Article II, Section 1:
Quote:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Quote:

In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.
In order to assume the "Office of President," the Vice President must meet the same requirements or he/she is disqualified from becoming President.

Ike Bana 08-09-2020 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordGT90 (Post 389545)

Except that's false. The only person that claimed he was guilty was Vindman and his information was third or fourth hand AND his superior (Tim Morrison) spoke of Vindman having problems fitting in with the National Security Council.

Except that's a lie. Taylor, Kemp, Yovanovitch, Vindman and others implicated Trump.

[QUOTE=FordGT90;389545
Anyway...we're getting off topic here. On topic, if Duckworth is named as VP pick, it will immediately trigger federal lawsuits vis-a-vis "natural born citizen."[/QUOTE]

Got your fingers crossed, eh? L. Tammy Duckworth was born in Bangkok, Thailand, the daughter of Franklin Duckworth and Lamai Sompornpairin. Under long standing US law, she is a natural-born citizen because her father is American. Same bullshit we heard outta you people and your criminal president to be, in 2008. Confederates like you people want the law changed, no doubt.

Tammy sure don't look like no real 'Murcan, eh?

Chicks 08-09-2020 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 389590)
Except that's a lie. Taylor, Kemp, Yovanovitch, Vindman and others implicated Trump.

You may have noticed that Ford Pinto has a very nasty habit of passing off reich-wing nuttery as "fact", and calling facts "opinions". He's a nutter, best ignored.

RickeyM 08-09-2020 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordGT90 (Post 389568)
In order to assume the "Office of President," the Vice President must meet the same requirements or he/she is disqualified from becoming President.

Thanks Captain Obvious but it still doesn't answer the question about the Vice-President being the Vice-president.


Ike Bana, didja' notice not a peep outta the Repubes when Ted "Rafael" Cruz was running for prez?

FordGT90 08-09-2020 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 389590)
Except that's a lie. Taylor, Kemp, Yovanovitch, Vindman and others implicated Trump.

Taylor, Kemp, and Yovanovitch were aware of the call, specifically, Ukraine asking questions about it. They didn't say Trump did anything illegal but it did make a lot of headaches for for the State Department.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 389590)
Got your fingers crossed, eh? L. Tammy Duckworth was born in Bangkok, Thailand, the daughter of Franklin Duckworth and Lamai Sompornpairin. Under long standing US law, she is a natural-born citizen because her father is American.

She has birthright citizenship, not natural-born citizenship. Birthright citizenship simply means you're the daughter or son of an American citizen and filed the appropriate paperwork with the US government. Natural-born, on the other hand, could mean a lot of things but it's a question SCOTUS has yet to answer. It could mean royalty or it could mean born on sovereign US soil. I tend to think the former is most probable given the context in which Constitution was written. UK could have easily endeavored to send a prince or princess here to win the Presidency effectively giving the country back to the Crown. If that is the case, Cruz, McCain, Obama, and Duckworth are/were elgible because at least one of their parents, each, are US citizens. Schwarzenegger is not because his parents weren't US citizens. This is why he never tried to run: there's no interpretation in his favor.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 389595)
Thanks Captain Obvious but it still doesn't answer the question about the Vice-President being the Vice-president.

12th amendment, last sentence:
https://constitution.congress.gov/co.../amendment-12/
Quote:

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 389595)
Ike Bana, didja' notice not a peep outta the Repubes when Ted "Rafael" Cruz was running for prez?

I was glad Cruz lost the primary because he would have been challenged by Democrats on his eligibility to hold the office.




Tammy Duckworth is not going to be Biden's VP. Transition is going to be hard enough without triggering VP eligibility lawsuits and potentially having a VP vacancy. Picking her guarantees that legal battle.

Ike Bana 08-09-2020 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 389594)
You may have noticed that Ford Pinto has a very nasty habit of passing off reich-wing nuttery as "fact", and calling facts "opinions". He's a nutter, best ignored.

I haven't been around much lately... not of my own choice of course, so I don't have a clue who this guy is. AK guy? I'm not so good at ignoring. Probably why I'm relegated to an involuntary break now and then. Entertainment, along with doing battle with trumper deplorables, co-conspiratorial Republican voters, and enemies of the State of Israel is why I hang out in these joints. So I'm not always a very good little lockstep progressive, but watcha see is pretty much watcha gon' git.


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