COVID 19 - Looks like Sweden did it right
 

Sweden's coronavirus death toll is now approaching zero, but experts are warning others not to hail it as a success

And the title is a sort of joke. It's a "good news! but stay scared" MSM sort of thing. :D

So herd immunity is the way to go? How many senior citizens and those with medical conditions are you willing to see die in fairly short order so that can happen in this nation? Should death panels be set up to determine who should "go" when the hospitals get overloaded?

I've said from day one that we should protect those in nursing homes and adult care facilities. And we should. If you want to visit a retirement center and are showing symptoms, wearing a mask is not the answer. The answer is to STAY AWAY.

But for the rest of the known world - don't even worry about it any more than you worry about aids, the flu, or any other communicable illness that can kill you.

I don't live in a nursing home, but I am 74 years old with COPD. Should I go ahead and take my planned trips, flying on airlines and eating at restaurants and comingling freely with strangers of all sorts and just "not worry about it" in spite of the experts saying that age and underlying medical conditions make one more vulnerable?

There may never be "herd immunity" if the virus immunity quickly wanes as the latest research is finding.

So no vaccine ever.
Just like the common cold another corona virus that effect humans.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...s-covid-2020-4

""Scientists fear that it may prove impossible to produce a working coronavirus vaccine and believe the world may have to simply learn to adapt to the permanent threat of COVID-19.""


https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...3cc64ab2943608

“There is no vaccine against the common cold.”

Since about late April, I've seen this virus that way. It turned out to be not nearly as deadly as they thought it would be. And even then it's mostly deadly to those that are either very old (end of life already) or very ill with something else.

I did a serious paradigm shift at that point. I started reading all news stories from a different perspective. It is not the virus that is killing us, but our response. And that includes the protests, riots, etc. It's all about couping up urbanites for months on end. It never goes well.

And for middle aged and younger people that are in reasonable health, this thing really is like a cold or flu.

“Either very old or very ill with something else.”

FALSE. The adjective “very” does not necessarily apply. Plenty of people have died who have underlying medical problems but were still living very productive lives. Your implication is that it is perfectly okay if people with underlying medical conditions just go ahead and die. We will definitely nominate you for your local death panel sonde you have the “right” attitude for it.

“It turned out to be not as deadly as they thought it would be” since mid-April.

And have you ever sat down and analyzed as to why that may be? Perhaps you should. It is quite obvious.

Well, look at Sweden and South Dakota. It's not masks or social distancing.

Unless it isn't, in which case you are damaged for life, or dead, you monstrous piece of shit.

“It’s not masks or social distancing”

*L*

Yes, we know that you love to show off your ignorance. Why you insist on continuing to do so is the question.

Opinions vary. Thanks so much for sharing yours, even in ad hominem form!

Driving is harmless, unless you are damaged for life, or dead, in an accident (which happens a lot). I'll avoid the name calling part though.

For what it's worth, I am in favor of the US adapting something more like the German model for getting a driver's license. I suspect that over two thirds of American drivers would lose their license to drive.

Hmmmm....maybe Insane should take a deeper look into items that he posts, to wit: “. Johan Carlson, the director-general of Sweden's public health agency, credited the "effect of us keeping up the social distancing" for the decline.”

Uh-oh! Blows Insane’s “insight” out of the water!

And as for South Dakota, perhaps Insane has never heard of “population density”. Yes, the “success” against the COVID in SD is basically a result of NATURAL social distancing. The less population density, the easier the social distancing. Eh?

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And for middle aged and younger people that are in reasonable health, this thing really is like a cold or flu.

So say you're in one of those two groups and get Covid-19 and it is worse for you than the flu or a cold. What then? Those hospitals and care personnel don't have anything else to do right? Buck up buddy, you'll suffer but you probably won't die so why worry? If you die well then we'll just have one less place to set at the dinner table. Covid-19 parties all around!

Don't try to talk to me. Even if I slip and engage to the slightest degree with the lying garbage you put out.

This year's flu season is shaping up to be possibly less severe than the 2017-2018 season, when 61,000 deaths were linked to the virus. However, it could equal or surpass the 2018-2019 season's 34,200 flu-related deaths.
Overall, the CDC estimates that 12,000 and 61,000 deaths annually since 2010 can be blamed on the flu.

So how does that compare to 134,884 in just over four monhs….and counting.

Obviously, the virus is much more deadly than the flu even though Insane repeatedly tries to compare the two. Hmmmm….wonder where he gets his information?

During a March 4 call with Hannity, Trump also compared coronavirus with the flu. He mentioned that the flu kills anywhere between 27,000 and 77,000 people every year, implying that coronavirus isn’t as serious of a threat to public health as Influenza.

So who to believe: Dr Fauci and other virus and epidemic experts....or Trump and Insane?
That one is easy.

BTW, the "COVID is on worse than the flu" is yet another right-wing talking point that we have all heard stated over and over from them. Yes, they do love to show off their ignorance.

With this virus less then a year old in humans from the looks of it. There is not a person alive who can have an answer to what is in store long term. Who it will effect and how.

It would be prudent and wise to treat this new bug with extreme caution rather then a lackadaisical or foolish measures. All of the people I know who have had it to a one, say it is the worst they ever felt. Takes forever to feel better. They range in ages from senior's to young children.

Good analysis, Oerets.

Those saying the total deaths would probably be no worse than the flu have mostly gone the way of those saying "What lies has tRump told". I remember back in March when a local Maryland resident said he'd begin to worry about Covid-19 when it killed more people that they do in Baltimore. That was about 3,100 deaths ago.

But for the rest of the known world - don't even worry about it any more than you worry about aids, the flu, or any other communicable illness that can kill you.[/QUOTE]


Must be nice to live in a self-constructed fantasy world. Unfortunately, most of us on the real world can’t afford to do so.

The virus is now out of control here in the US. Things are going to get very much worse.

It is just getting started!

I hope we haven't lost the opportunity to reopen thru carelessness post-self quarantine, but it's possible hard choices are coming.

It is my belief a total shut down across the whole country for a month is what should of been done. This patch work of responses is not enough. The virus moves around feeding on hosts. Paying no attention to city or state lines.

So when we could of been on the road back we are now constantly starting over.

It's worse than starting over. We've gotten much more virus around now.