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watsup1000 07-10-2020 10:57 AM

Double standard?
 
Joe Biden makes a few gaffes: DEMENTIA!
Trump talks nonsense almost every time he speaks, one gaffe after another: "That's just Trump".

Double standard?

Oerets 07-10-2020 11:19 AM

Sure is, will they admit to it.


No way!

Waggs098 07-11-2020 02:50 PM

Here is a double standard for ya.

https://hiphopwired.com/886527/nicho...on-hate-crime/

donquixote99 07-11-2020 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 386843)

Say why you think so?

Waggs098 07-11-2020 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 386844)
Say why you think so?

If one person is allowed to paint on a street to voice their opinion then why isn't another person able to do the same thing? Instead they are charged with a hate crime. Really? Not like they defaced private property.

d-ray657 07-11-2020 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 386845)
If one person is allowed to paint on a street to voice their opinion then why isn't another person able to do the same thing? Instead they are charged with a hate crime. Really? Not like they defaced private property.

The missing context is whether the text that was defaced was put there by the civic authorities, or with permission or license. If so, then the painting over it was indeed vandalism.

Waggs098 07-11-2020 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 386847)
The missing context is whether the text that was defaced was put there by the civic authorities, or with permission or license. If so, then the painting over it was indeed vandalism.

If that's the case do you think it would ever fly to paint "white lives matter" or "all lives matter" on the street. Then if black people defaced it would they be charged with a hate crime?

donquixote99 07-11-2020 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 386847)
The missing context is whether the text that was defaced was put there by the civic authorities, or with permission or license. If so, then the painting over it was indeed vandalism.

There was a permit for the BLM street mural. Details in this link to the Martinez Tribune (found in Waggs' link): https://martineztribune.com/2020/07/...ed-as-vandals/

d-ray657 07-11-2020 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 386848)
If that's the case do you think it would ever fly to paint "white lives matter" or "all lives matter" on the street. Then if black people defaced it would they be charged with a hate crime?

Whether the act described in the link was a hate crime is questionable. Simply being obnoxious or racist is not a crime. As I understand hate crimes, there must be some at least implicit threat of harm because of race, and this act of vandalism might not reach that threshold. But if the BLM mural was appropriately on the street, the act described in the article is vandalism.

Do you see the painters in the article as engaged in an act of civil disobedience?

Waggs098 07-11-2020 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 386850)
There was a permit for the BLM street mural. Details in this link to the Martinez Tribune (found in Waggs' link): https://martineztribune.com/2020/07/...ed-as-vandals/

Ok so they had a permit. I still refer you to post #7. Do you think things would happen the same way if reversed?

d-ray657 07-11-2020 03:42 PM

It appears that this administration would defend monuments to racial subjugation.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...inal-violence/

Waggs098 07-11-2020 03:43 PM

Here's another one. Would this fly with white people carying guns?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aJnvkDkoi3c

RickeyM 07-11-2020 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 386843)

It's interesting that your response to the OP went in a racial direction.

RickeyM 07-11-2020 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 386857)
Here's another one. Would this fly with white people carying guns?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aJnvkDkoi3c

It has and it does.

d-ray657 07-11-2020 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 386857)
Here's another one. Would this fly with white people carying guns?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aJnvkDkoi3c

You mean like this: https://www.npr.org/2020/05/14/85591...ing-home-order

I think the means utilized in both instances were ridiculous.

donquixote99 07-12-2020 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 386854)
Ok so they had a permit. I still refer you to post #7. Do you think things would happen the same way if reversed?

You are getting worked up about how outrageous a thing would be, and forgetting that the thing has not happened, and might not happen as you imagine.

Waggs098 07-12-2020 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 386853)
Whether the act described in the link was a hate crime is questionable. Simply being obnoxious or racist is not a crime. As I understand hate crimes, there must be some at least implicit threat of harm because of race, and this act of vandalism might not reach that threshold. But if the BLM mural was appropriately on the street, the act described in the article is vandalism.

Do you see the painters in the article as engaged in an act of civil disobedience?

This i suppose by laws standards I have to agree with. Civil disobedience I guess. Hmm maybe they just needed 100 people to go out and do it then it's a protest and civil disobedience is just allowed then.

Waggs098 07-12-2020 10:32 AM

That "open the state protest" posted by d-ray isn't even comparable to the video I posted.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...AA66&FORM=VIRE

Waggs098 07-12-2020 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 386907)
You are getting worked up about how outrageous a thing would be, and forgetting that the thing has not happened, and might not happen as you imagine.

Yes could go different then I think it would.

Rajoo 07-12-2020 03:14 PM

We have lived in Contra Costa County, CA since 1987. Used to be very conservative and now its turning quite liberal. If someone painted "White Lives Matter" or "All Lives Matter", I would presume that most of us would laugh and walk away. I seriously doubt though if any town will grant a permit.

The annual Women's March is a huge event here that is well supported by both sexes.

jmcslob 07-12-2020 07:58 PM

BLM does not mean White Lives Don't Matter or any other human life.. It's just a reminder because they feel they are being ignored and that's because of a structured form of systemic racism.

I'll be as clean as I can... Here is the best analogy that works with BLM.

Imagine you're effing your girl and you say "you like that D" and she says "I like all D".
That's what it sounds like when you respond with WLM to BLM.

donquixote99 07-12-2020 08:56 PM

'All Lives Matter' does not mean all lives matter. It's an idiom that basically means 'When you say 'Black Lives Matter' you piss me off!' ☹

Oerets 07-13-2020 06:49 AM

Whenever I hear ALM, wounder just it is why some matter more then others!

d-ray657 07-13-2020 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 386908)
This i suppose by laws standards I have to agree with. Civil disobedience I guess. Hmm maybe they just needed 100 people to go out and do it then it's a protest and civil disobedience is just allowed then.

Conscientious individuals who engage in civil disobedience are prepared to face the consequences, including arrest. This is so, even if the law is unjust. Generally, I don't see laws against vandalism as unjust.

If they so choose, these painters can have their day in court to make whatever arguments they want about the alleged injustice of the charges against them. Maybe they will want to tell the story about how they were beaten and cursed when they were charged - but wait - that didn't happen.

BigElCat 07-14-2020 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 386972)
'All Lives Matter' does not mean all lives matter. It's an idiom that basically means 'When you say 'Black Lives Matter' you piss me off!' ☹

Well said...I needed to hear that.

donquixote99 07-14-2020 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BigElCat (Post 387033)
Well said...I needed to hear that.

Thank-you.


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