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Waggs098 06-30-2020 07:20 PM

Why BLM and Antifa are not credible
 
YES I ALREADY KNOW THE VIDEO DIDN'T HAPPEN AT A CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL. DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT OF WHAT IS HAPPENING.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_HRPu7zzfY

RickeyM 06-30-2020 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385644)
YES I ALREADY KNOW THE VIDEO DIDN'T HAPPEN AT A CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL. DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT OF WHAT IS HAPPENING.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_HRPu7zzfY

Are you speaking as BLM and ANTIFA are one in the same. BTW, some context, what was the ruckus about. What identifies it as BLM or ANTIFA?

Waggs098 06-30-2020 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 385649)
Are you speaking as BLM and ANTIFA are one in the same. BTW, some context, what was the ruckus about. What identifies it as BLM or ANTIFA?

It's identified by the riots (not hard to figure out) which BLM and Antifa are behind. (Just my opinion) Yes BLM and Antifa are the same as far as I'm concerned. Supposed peaceful protesters.

donquixote99 06-30-2020 07:36 PM

Watched the first 4 minutes. It was a protest scene, some people acting up, did some vandalism, others acting to try to keep it together. The child was upset as brought through the scene, but I didn't see anyone targeted the child, I didn't see anyone trying to terrorize the child. Your video makers are dishonestly cuing you to make you feel upset, the 'terrorizing a child' theme is as dishonest as the 'children's hospital' thing.

If the second 4 minutes include anything different, let me know.

donquixote99 06-30-2020 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385651)
It's identified by the riots (not hard to figure out) which BLM and Antifa are behind. (Just my opinion) Yes BLM and Antifa are the same as far as I'm concerned. Supposed peaceful protesters.

You opinion is delusional, and your conclusion is based on nothing, yet you put it out as if it was fact. You have initials that are bogeymen in your mind, but that mental image hardly touches on reality. They are not the same, and neither is an anti-American conspiracy or a terror group, as you seem to think. Stop watching The Blaze.

RickeyM 06-30-2020 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385651)
It's identified by the riots (not hard to figure out) which BLM and Antifa are behind. (Just my opinion) Yes BLM and Antifa are the same as far as I'm concerned. Supposed peaceful protesters.

That shows your ignorance right there. Tell us, what to you make of the protests and support of BLM occurring around the world? Where is the looting and burning that you righties claim is happening. It seems that's pretty much stopped, but hey you folks see a protest and a riot as the same thing. Like that "riot" in Lincoln Square that Barr had cleaned out so Donny could have his photo op?

donquixote99 06-30-2020 07:45 PM

You first statement is 'BLM and ANTIFA are not credible.' Please point to an actual thing plainly and truly sourced to either of these 'groups' that is not credible. I think you have vague notions of what these groups are about that are untrue and cannot be sourced at all, exceot to lies from the right.

BTW, 'groups' is is quotes because neither of these things is actually a group, they are at most loose affiliations of local groups.

Waggs098 06-30-2020 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 385652)
Watched the first 4 minutes. It was a protest scene, some people acting up, did some vandalism, others acting to try to keep it together. The child was upset as brought through the scene, but I didn't see anyone targeted the child, I didn't see anyone trying to terrorize the child. Your video makers are dishonestly cuing you to make you feel upset, the 'terrorizing a child' theme is as dishonest as the 'children's hospital' thing.

If the second 4 minutes include anything different, let me know.

Yes the second 4 minutes do include more. The respect of the man behind the camera.

My point is they destroyed some private citizens car with no thought of the respect of other people and others property. I mean come on, they don't know who it belongs to and DON'T FUCKING CARE!!! Let alone the buildings they were throwing bricks at. Then the small child has to come out and see it. IT IS 100% DISGUSTING. not to mention the many videos I could find to support this.

RickeyM 06-30-2020 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 385653)
You opinion is delusional, and your conclusion is based on nothing, yet you put it out as if it was fact. You have initials that are bogeymen in your mind, but that mental image hardly touches on reality. They are not the same, and neither is an anti-American conspiracy or a terror group, as you seem to think. Stop watching The Blaze.

He's been programmed. BLM & ANTIFA have been identified as "them" and should be dealt with to save the American way of life. Throughout history groups in power have pointed to the "others" as dangerous to the status quo. There's violence going on so surely it must be the current boogeymen.

Waggs098 06-30-2020 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 385653)
You opinion is delusional, and your conclusion is based on nothing, yet you put it out as if it was fact. You have initials that are bogeymen in your mind, but that mental image hardly touches on reality. They are not the same, and neither is an anti-American conspiracy or a terror group, as you seem to think. Stop watching The Blaze.

First off I don't watch the blaze. Actually I don't even read the blaze. Just put fourth certain articles I find while searching. The blaze isn't the only thing I quote.

Second. How come BLM only shows up when a black person is killed by a white cop. Nevermind what happens in the big cities everyday.

Third how come the only time Antifa is mentioned is when they see a chance to break stuff.

Just my opinion and what I hear.

RickeyM 06-30-2020 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385659)
First off I don't watch the blaze. Actually I don't even read the blaze. Just put fourth certain articles I find while searching. The blaze isn't the only thing I quote.

Second. How come BLM only shows up when a black person is killed by a white cop. Nevermind what happens in the big cities everyday.

Third how come the only time Antifa is mentioned is when they see a chance to break stuff.

Just my opinion and what I hear.

Because all to often in this country the police behave as if Black lives do not matter. If they did matter maybe they wouldn't be treated as an enemy and an automatic threat. It was blatantly obvious that to Derek Chauvin that George Floy's life did not matter.

The righties are the ones always crying ANTIFA!

donquixote99 06-30-2020 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385656)
Yes the second 4 minutes do include more. The respect of the man behind the camera.

My point is they destroyed some private citizens car with no thought of the respect of other people and others property. I mean come on, they don't know who it belongs to and DON'T FUCKING CARE!!! Let alone the buildings they were throwing bricks at. Then the small child has to come out and see it. IT IS 100% DISGUSTING. not to mention the many videos I could find to support this.

The big thing to me is how you titled the thread. You did not refer to a random group of teenagers letting loose. You referred to BLM and ANTIFA, of which you obviously know little that is true and much that is false. You referred to them with nothing to back it up except your own opinion, which is so off here I have to call it delusion.

You are cued by the title to react as if evil people were targeting an innocent little girl, and you did, even though that was not the case. You strike me as very willing to be led around by propaganda.

I understand that you are disgusted. These are times of change, and some disorder. It is bad that a random guys BMW was damaged. I agree with that.

Will you agree that a random black guy, who was on the autistic spectrum and who's social reactions were a little 'different,' DYING at the hands of police and medics when he had done nothing wrong whatsoever, was worse than a damaged car? The death of Elijah McClain disgusts me, and angers me, and makes be grievously sad.

donquixote99 06-30-2020 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385659)
First off I don't watch the blaze. Actually I don't even read the blaze. Just put fourth certain articles I find while searching. The blaze isn't the only thing I quote.

Second. How come BLM only shows up when a black person is killed by a white cop. Nevermind what happens in the big cities everyday.

Third how come the only time Antifa is mentioned is when they see a chance to break stuff.

Just my opinion and what I hear.

On the BLM question, how come the fire department only shows up when something is on fire?

Black on black crime is alluded to by you "only when a black man is killed by a white cop." It's wrong, cops of any race who do killings are protested. But here's the thing: if a black citizen kills a black citizen, it's recognized as a homicide, it's investigated as such, if a perpetrator is identified and captured, he is prosecuted and is reliably convicted and imprisoned.

Now if a cop kills a black man, until recently, NOTHING HAPPENS. Exceptions exist, but they were damn scarce, until the age of citizen video arrived. Note now the case of Breonna Taylor. Nothing happening.

That 'nothing happens' is why BLM exists. Derek Chauvin's belief that he could kill George Floyd with impunity was based on a lot of reality.

PS: On ANTIFA, I know of no reliable information that ANTIFA is breaking one damn thing. It's only mentioned as you say because the only people mentioning them are right wing liars.

Not Insane 07-01-2020 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 385649)
Are you speaking as BLM and ANTIFA are one in the same. BTW, some context, what was the ruckus about. What identifies it as BLM or ANTIFA?

Personally, I don't see them as the same. Rather, I see them as two sides of the same coin. Their methods are similar. Their trip wire's are similar. Their age distribution seems to be the same. The political party to which they adhere seems to be the same.

So yeah. They are different in the same way a Firebird and a Camaro are different. Except one has power windows and air conditioning. :D

Waggs098 07-01-2020 06:44 PM

How much of this video is true?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UjNppH4QHU

donquixote99 07-01-2020 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385769)
How much of this video is true?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UjNppH4QHU

I have no reason to think one word of it is true. He gives no reasons, he just says "this is how it was explained to me." doesn't even say who did the explaining.

Oh by the way, he's pretty much backtracked on the whole thing....

https://wmmr.com/2020/06/11/tommy-ve...mments-racism/

Waggs098 07-01-2020 07:28 PM

Not david duke but.....

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cl...rd-photo-klan/

Chicks 07-01-2020 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385779)

From your URL:

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in 1952 Byrd avowed that “After about a year, I became disinterested [in the KKK], quit paying my dues, and dropped my membership in the organization,” and throughout his long political career (he served for 57 years in the United States Congress) he repeatedly apologized for his involvement with the KKK:
You are a seriously ignorant putz. :p

donquixote99 07-01-2020 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385779)

His involvement was brief and minimal, probably related to seeking office or other 'networking.' Still, there are of course racists in the Democratic Party. There are racists everywhere. The record of the party in modern times is still light years ahead of the opposition, who have and continue to directly pander to overt racism.

Waggs098 07-01-2020 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 385780)
From your URL:



You are a seriously ignorant putz. :p

Nope I'm not. I don't know how you can't see the hiprocasy. Could you imagine the backlash if a conservative had said the same thing?

Waggs098 07-01-2020 07:50 PM

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...payers-n487939

bobabode 07-01-2020 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385779)

Is your sense of Christian forgiveness only reserved for members of your team?

ps Your 'greatest' hits are so far failing miserably, btw.

bobabode 07-01-2020 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385786)

OOOooooooOOOOO Soros!!!! Hide the silver and cover the chillins eyes. :rolleyes:
Gotta ask, been hitting the sauce?

Waggs098 07-01-2020 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 385787)
Is your sense of Christian forgiveness only reserved for members of your team?

ps Your 'greatest' hits are so far failing miserably, btw.

No but it is for the liberals.

Waggs098 07-01-2020 07:57 PM

https://www.mrc.org/commentary/over-...d-george-soros

bobabode 07-01-2020 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385790)
No but it is for the liberals.

Yawn. Grow the fuck up. You're 37 years old for Christ sake.

Chicks 07-01-2020 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385785)
Nope I'm not. I don't know how you can't see the hiprocasy.

The difference is that I’m educated, and can spell hypocrisy. You appear to have learned nothing since about the 3rd grade.

Waggs098 07-01-2020 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 385794)
The difference is that I’m educated, and can spell hypocrisy. You appear to have learned nothing since about the 3rd grade.

Thanks for your input. I'll try to spell better.

Waggs098 07-01-2020 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 385792)
Yawn. Grow the fuck up. You're 37 years old for Christ sake.

I could tell you to grow the fuck up also. Look at the Virginia ag and governor wearing blackface. I'm not opposed to forgiving people. What I am opposed to is the hypocrisy of the "mainstream media". You know exactly what would have happened to ANY conservative in office if the same thing would have happened. The liberals would say he is a piece of shit and doesn't even deserve a defence while the media is hammering him. And of course the no balls republicans would say ok you're gone.

donquixote99 07-01-2020 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385785)
Nope I'm not. I don't know how you can't see the hiprocasy. Could you imagine the backlash if a conservative had said the same thing?

Keep in mind it was 1952. Totally different era, as far a media, and as far as attitudes. A Republican might or not have gotten away with it then. Might have had a harder time than Byrd, who knows. From our current perspective it's impossible to know.

Anyway, it was 1952. Time passed, memories faded. Sure the Repubs would try to bring it up, but the West Virginia electorate was not caring. That was initially in the days when southern Democrats were expected to more or less uphold Jim Crow. Later LBJ did civil rights, dumped the Dixiecrats and let the South turn Republican, but the Byrd continued, liberalized, and brought home vast pork for his state. He was always popular.

But you're imagining Democrats are this, and Republicans are that, forever and ever, amen. That's not reality. There's a basic left/right divide, but regional issues, demographic changes, and all sorts of shifts in voter attitudes and party strategy mean the very nature of the parties is pretty plastic. It's complicated.

I hope you not imagining Republicans always good, and Democrats always evil....

Waggs098 07-01-2020 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 385798)
Keep in mind it was 1952. Totally different era, as far a media, and as far as attitudes. A Republican might or not have gotten away with it then. Might have had a harder time than Byrd, who knows. From our current perspective it's impossible to know.

Anyway, it was 1952. Time passed, memories faded. Sure the Repubs would try to bring it up, but the West Virginia electorate was not caring. That was initially in the days when southern Democrats were expected to more or less uphold Jim Crow. Later LBJ did civil rights, dumped the Dixiecrats and let the South turn Republican, but the Byrd continued, liberalized, and brought home vast pork for his state. He was always popular.

But you're imagining Democrats are this, and Republicans are that, forever and ever, amen. That's not reality. There's a basic left/right divide, but regional issues, demographic changes, and all sorts of shifts in voter attitudes and party strategy mean the very nature of the parties is pretty plastic. It's complicated.

I hope you not imagining Republicans always good, and Democrats always evil....

Never said all repubs are good or all dems are bad. I'm talking about the hyprocisy of the mainstream media and politicians.

Waggs098 07-01-2020 10:28 PM

I suppose I could throw Joe Biden into the subject and his sexual assault charges.

RickeyM 07-02-2020 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385800)
I suppose I could throw Joe Biden into the subject and his sexual assault charges.

As long as we throw tRump's (many more) sexual assault charges in too right?

Oerets 07-02-2020 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 385803)
As long as we throw tRump's (many more) sexual assault charges in too right?

Hard to pick from all the accusations against their cult's master.:o Kinda run together and numbs the mind of the easily confused.:D They are all lies must be to make sense right????:rolleyes:

Not Insane 07-02-2020 10:34 AM

So, I look at the title of the thread - Why BLM and Antifa are not credible - and notice we are discussing something utterly unrelated. So, in that spirit, let me throw this out:

I just got back from Seattle. My nine acre lawn needs to be mowed every week, but I was in Seattle for almost three weeks. I have my work cut out for me.

BTW, BLM and Antifa jumped the shark on this stuff. They set the black civil rights movement back 50 years. It will not go well for them in November.

Has This Present Moment Set Black Americans Back a Half-Century?

Waggs098 07-02-2020 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Insane (Post 385819)
So, I look at the title of the thread - Why BLM and Antifa are not credible - and notice we are discussing something utterly unrelated. So, in that spirit, let me throw this out:

I just got back from Seattle. My nine acre lawn needs to be mowed every week, but I was in Seattle for almost three weeks. I have my work cut out for me.

BTW, BLM and Antifa jumped the shark on this stuff. They set the black civil rights movement back 50 years. It will not go well for them in November.

Has This Present Moment Set Black Americans Back a Half-Century?

Yeah my thread title really should have been why they are despicable instead of not credible. Then I posted the one video about media and BLM and kind of derailed the thread.

Excellent article you posted.

Good luck with your lawn.

donquixote99 07-02-2020 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385799)
Never said all repubs are good or all dems are bad. I'm talking about the hyprocisy of the mainstream media and politicians.

Then why bring up Byrd, who's long gone, except to besmirch the Democratic brand?

donquixote99 07-02-2020 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385785)
Nope I'm not. I don't know how you can't see the hiprocasy. Could you imagine the backlash if a conservative had said the same thing?

You see what you did? You accuse of hypocrisy, based on the contrast between a thing that happened a while back, and backlash you IMAGINE.

You can justify anything if you imagine the evidence.

Waggs098 07-02-2020 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 385848)
Then why bring up Byrd, who's long gone, except to besmirch the Democratic brand?

I asked if the video was true at all and got a response that basically said probably not. So I did some research and found that about byrd. Then I also posted a link that describes how soros could be involved.

Now also why bring up Byrd? Because you know damn good and well that when anything even remotely close to the Byrd situation and hillary, is found out about a Republican the media and the left go into a frenzy and that is all you see and hear about. If something like that is found on a Democrat you might get one or two stories and then it's swept under the rug.

donquixote99 07-02-2020 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385851)
I asked if the video was true at all and got a response that basically said probably not. So I did some research and found that about byrd. Then I also posted a link that describes how soros could be involved.

Now also why bring up Byrd? Because you know damn good and well that when anything even remotely close to the Byrd situation and hillary, is found out about a Republican the media and the left go into a frenzy and that is all you see and hear about. If something like that is found on a Democrat you might get one or two stories and then it's swept under the rug.

I don't know any such thing. Were Al Franken's misdeeds swept under the rug?


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