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Not Insane 06-24-2020 12:22 PM

Confidential to Judge Sullivan
 
A great read from here:
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Dear Judge Sullivan,

Well, that just tears it, doesn't it? You were the god (small "G") of your courtroom. All powerful, take no guff. Throughout the process you were hard on both sides. Cheers alternated from the left and the right. I'll bet you figured when everyone was mad at you, you must be charting the right course. You were all set to mete out historic punishment, cementing your position in history and the A-list of party invites.

Then that lady lawyer got involved. Things you could not take judicial notice thereof - can't be influenced by the media - got pushed in your face as Flynn's defense produced, more accurately caused to be produced, damning evidence of malfeasance by the Government. You had a guilty plea, sworn to in your courtroom. And it was all about to turn to dust. Face it, you were pissed. You were like the Air Boss in Top Gun after Maverick's flyby; "I want some heads!"
I hear ya! Something untoward, something dirty went down in your courtroom. Another movie reference: Godfather II (or was it III?) when the Senator got blindsided when Frankie Pentangeli changed his testimony. "We have a sworn affidavit -- we have it -- your sworn affidavit ... I'm gonna find out what the hell happened here!"

I get it. Plea deals shouldn't come and go like the tide. Recanted testimony should bear a price. Somebody did something wrong.

But Here's the thing (yo, Adrian!) Something vile, odious, and dammit, illegal went down. You were assigned a bit part in a soft coup gone off the rails. Flynn was supposed to flip. It was never supposed to go as far as it did. Your bad that Flynn was such a Boy Scout (yo, Jack Ryan!) Why couldn't he be like Bolton /rhetorical

Well, you have the right idea, just the wrong perp. There is PLENTY of grist for your mill. You're blaming the victim, not the bad actors. Have you ever heard of the term "Lawfare?" Come on, you've seen it, day in and day out in Federal Courtrooms across this great country. Why do you think Federal Prosecutors have such a high conviction rate? Could it be that the Gubermint has the unbridled power to reduce the highest flyer to abject poverty? That pleas are struck to stop the bleeding? What percentage might that be? Has anyone studied this?

The thing is, the cat's out of the bag. You know the FBI lied, that the DOJ committed Brady Violations among other things. All this is in the record before you. High Crimes were committed. Boy Scout Flynn was forced to take the plea to protect his family. Yes, Flynn knew that what was done to him was about to be done to his son. He's an honorable man, your honor, with decades of dedicated service to his country. Of course he took the plea! Who wouldn't??? Well, maybe Bolton, but that's another story.

So here's what you do. Dismiss the charges as ordered. Forget going after Flynn for perjury. Mens rea would be problematic anyway. Boy Scout Flynn could legitimately argue that he felt if the Government said he lied to the FBI, then he must have done so. He didn't know about the lies, the manipulations, the disgusting dirtywork done behind the scenes by the coup cabal.

BUT, if not precluded by the Appeals Court ruling, you surely can start with the DOJ and work your way into the FBI. There are plenty of guilty parties that perpetrated a fraud against your court. Have at it. Make history. Don't be like the FISA Court who could easily do the same thing. You and they could hand out contempt charges like they were candy. You can't wait for Durham and Barr. They're too busy running out the clock. They're just fixin' to mosey when it comes with charging anybody. Enjoy. Recover your face. You've earned it. You can rip through the prosecution players like Covid through a NY nursing home!

Not Insane 06-24-2020 12:26 PM

And now this:
Flynn Case Update – Appeals Court Orders Judge Sullivan to Dismiss Flynn Case…

The actual ruling is displayed in full there.

Sullivan could have been a hero, but got slapped down instead.

Waggs098 06-25-2020 06:05 PM

Yep Flynn never deserved to go to jail. From what I understand he even sold his house and went through life savings then had a fund raising campaign so he could pay for all the lawyer and court costs. Our court system is so messed up.

Chicks 06-25-2020 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385158)
Yep Flynn never deserved to go to jail.

No, he deserves to be shot for treason.

Pio1980 06-25-2020 06:46 PM

I'll have to remember that perjury gets a pass now.

bobabode 06-25-2020 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 385177)
I'll have to remember that perjury gets a pass now.

Only if you're a friend of Donnie the Deadbeat Trump. If a Democrat had done one tenth the stuff that this disgraced general had done they'd be howling to lock her up...

Not Insane 06-26-2020 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 385177)
I'll have to remember that perjury gets a pass now.

You may think that, but wait until the Barr and Durham reports come out.

If you honestly think this is about perjury, you need to read a book or something. Or get your head out of CNN. Saying this is about perjury is like the M. Emmet Walsh character in The Jerk shouting, "He's not carnival personnel!"

No, he wasn't, but still. ;)

nailer 06-26-2020 08:45 AM

The second sentence of the OP letter is amusing.

Not Insane 06-26-2020 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 385162)
No, he deserves to be shot for treason.

It hit me. I think you are a contrarian bot. Your posts are too formulaic and depend too much on unsupported ad-hominem.

And the recently released notes expose where Barr and Durham are headed - Obama and Biden being charged with something akin to treason. If you read the transcript it's pretty obvious. That thing is a genuine smoking gun, which is something we rarely see.

Not Insane 06-26-2020 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nailer (Post 385226)
The second sentence of the OP letter is amusing.

It made me chuckle too. :)

donquixote99 06-26-2020 11:38 AM

From NI:
Quote:

...Obama and Biden being charged with something akin to treason.
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I'll break radio silence for this one. What the Fuck is 'something akin to treason?' I'll tell you what. It's pure McCarthyism. It's a vague innuendo that sounds terrible but actually means nothing.

Not Insane 06-26-2020 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 385244)
From NI:

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I'll break radio silence for this one. What the Fuck is 'something akin to treason?' I'll tell you what. It's pure McCarthyism. It's a vague innuendo that sounds terrible but actually means nothing.

Keep in mind that McCarthyism started out on the right track but ended up attempting to perform beyond the track design parameters.

And this is not about McCarthysim. This is about the head of the FBI telling Obama and Biden that they probably didn't have a case against Flynn and that what he did was probably "legit", but instead of saying, "OK", they then brainstormed other ways to "get" him. And place that conversation within the context of the political environment at the time it took place and, well, it looks indictable.

I don't care which party you are in or if you are an independent, that sort of thing is repulsive. Imagine Biden winning in November and that conversation is taking place between Trump, Pence and the head of the FBI. How do you process that?

I will add that I think this is just the beginning of an election season trickle of information that will be used to completely exhonerate Trump and his administration and bring actionable offenses by the D party into the limelight.

I'm not a republican. This is not about the republican party for me. It IS, however, about the democrats doing amazingly dishonest things and getting away with it.

Or did they...

donquixote99 06-26-2020 01:10 PM

What dishonest blather. What shall I imagine next, a basement to a pizza place that doesn't exist?

You are making up your data, then dunking it in tar. Here is reality: Flynn was dirty as hell, and the ways they sought to 'get him' were righteous.

http://https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-05-07/mike-flynn-department-of-justice-guilty-plea?_amp=true

Not Insane 06-26-2020 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 385251)
What dishonest blather. What shall I imagine next, a basement to a pizza place that doesn't exist?

You are making up your data, then dunking it in tar. Here is reality: Flynn was dirty as hell, and the ways they sought to 'get him' were righteous.

http://https://www.latimes.com/opini...plea?_amp=true

Are we gonna play link wars with this? I've been following this story for a very long time. I've read the articles from both sides.

LA times opinion notwithstanding, let us see what Barr and Durham come up with here. ;)

It would be great if the day of nailing high profile people on "process crimes alone" could come to an end.

And for what it's worth, your link doesn't work.

donquixote99 06-26-2020 02:01 PM

Try it now.

Waggs098 06-26-2020 05:11 PM

Agree with not insane.

I don't agree with any crooked politician on either side but I will say what the dems tried to pull with this 3 year investigation is complete crap. From what I understand anyone that went to jail for lying to the FBI were basically "hoodwinked". They were asked the same questions by different people in different ways about things that happened 1 to 3 years ago. I don't know anybody that can have a good enough memory to remember exactly what they said in an email or a conversation they had 6 months ago let alone 3 years.

Mark B 06-27-2020 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385280)
Agree with not insane.

I don't agree with any crooked politician on either side but I will say what the dems tried to pull with this 3 year investigation is complete crap. From what I understand anyone that went to jail for lying to the FBI were basically "hoodwinked". They were asked the same questions by different people in different ways about things that happened 1 to 3 years ago. I don't know anybody that can have a good enough memory to remember exactly what they said in an email or a conversation they had 6 months ago let alone 3 years.

Flynn was convicted because he lied to the FBI.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...were-material/

Oerets 06-28-2020 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385280)
Agree with not insane.

I don't agree with any crooked politician on either side but I will say what the dems tried to pull with this 3 year investigation is complete crap. From what I understand anyone that went to jail for lying to the FBI were basically "hoodwinked". They were asked the same questions by different people in different ways about things that happened 1 to 3 years ago. I don't know anybody that can have a good enough memory to remember exactly what they said in an email or a conversation they had 6 months ago let alone 3 years.


Admitted lying to the FBI.

One click search on the internet.......

""WASHINGTON — On Dec. 1, 2017, Michael Flynn walked into the federal courthouse in Washington, DC, and pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI. He admitted he had lied to agents about his conversations with the Russian ambassador to the United States after the 2016 election, according to his plea deal with then–special counsel Robert Mueller’s office.
Michael Flynn Admitted Lying To The FBI ... - BuzzFeed News""


If one does not look for information they will not find any!

donquixote99 06-28-2020 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark B (Post 385358)
Flynn was convicted because he lied to the FBI.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...were-material/

And it was a plea deal. Lying to the FBI is just what he admitted to.

Waggs098 06-28-2020 09:55 AM

A little reading.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj...lea-1525640861

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/mich...-gregg-jarrett

Chicks 06-28-2020 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385382)

Don't even have to read those, the URL's tell the story. Worthless "opinion" (propaganda) pieces from the same source - Rupert Murdoch.

Waggs098 06-28-2020 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 385384)
Don't even have to read those, the URL's tell the story. Worthless "opinion" (propaganda) pieces from the same source - Rupert Murdoch.

I figured YOU wouldn't read them based on the source. Some others might though.

The articles point out some reasons he plead guilty to begin with. I wouldn't call that worthless opinions.

Mark B 06-28-2020 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385385)
I figured YOU wouldn't read them based on the source. Some others might though.

The articles point out some reasons he plead guilty to begin with. I wouldn't call that worthless opinions.

You simply refuse to accept the facts. Flynn is guilty and admitted to it.

Waggs098 06-28-2020 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark B (Post 385394)
You simply refuse to accept the facts. Flynn is guilty and admitted to it.

Then why has his case come back up? Why has the DOJ said to throw the case out?

Did you read the articles I posted?

Mark B 06-28-2020 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385399)
Then why has his case come back up? Why has the DOJ said to throw the case out?

Did you read the articles I posted?

It's quite simple. DOJ is corruptly doing the bidding of Trump.

I read the articles. They're opinion pieces, and don't change the facts.

Chicks 06-28-2020 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waggs098 (Post 385399)
Then why has his case come back up? Why has the DOJ said to throw the case out?

Because Billy Barr is completely and utterly corrupt.

RickeyM 06-29-2020 06:39 AM

Let me see if I can help you out in case the two previous replies are too brief to grasp.
#1 Despite what Billy & Donny say the Mueller Report does not exonerate tRump.
#2 Flynn's conviction points to collusion (either real or attempted).
#3 Getting that conviction thrown out lets Donny further pretend that he was illegally investigated.
#4 Donny would really like the Mueller Report to go away.
#5 If he can say he was illegally investigated the Democrats can't use the Mueller report and his impeachment against him come campaign time.

Not Insane 06-29-2020 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 385409)
Let me see if I can help you out in case the two previous replies are too brief to grasp.
#1 Despite what Billy & Donny say the Mueller Report does not exonerate tRump.
#2 Flynn's conviction points to collusion (either real or attempted).
#3 Getting that conviction thrown out lets Donny further pretend that he was illegally investigated.
#4 Donny would really like the Mueller Report to go away.
#5 If he can say he was illegally investigated the Democrats can't use the Mueller report and his impeachment against him come campaign time.

That's a nice list of opinions you have there. Let me retort:

Opinions vary. Thanks so much for sharing yours.

Let me throw out my own for those five points:
1. The Mueller report's job was never to exonerate Trump. It also didn't tell us how often he and his wife have sex because that is also not its function. That's a straw man.
2. The evidence is pretty clear regarding what Flynn's conviction based on a plea dealed confession. And it may point to collusion when Barr and Durham are done. And it just may be those investigating Flynn that find themselves in hot water.
3. Getting that conviction thrown out is, in my opinion, the first (and least negative) of many bad news events for those that tried to railroad Flynn.
4. The Mueller report, I believe, will be a major campaign issue FOR trump in the last few months of the campaign.
5. He's not just saying he was illegally investigated. If you pull your head out of the CNN sand you will see that the DOJ is actively investigating those responsible for the fake investigation. I suspect this will get very interesting before the election when Barr and Durham finish up. ;)

Of course, opinions vary, but I've pulled my information from many sources quoting the government sources doing the investigating. I've also read th court's instructions to Sullivan. This was, for all intents and purposes, an attempted coup. And I don't base that on some analysis at some conservative site. I base that on the actual information coming out of the investigations as well as the farce of an impeachment we all had the opportunity to watch, but apparently only I actually did.

It's actually pretty cut and dried, based on the information I'm seeing. Of course, I don't get all my info from The View. :D

Not Insane 06-29-2020 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark B (Post 385401)
It's quite simple. DOJ is corruptly doing the bidding of Trump.

I read the articles. They're opinion pieces, and don't change the facts.

Read the actual information from the government. I watched the hearings.

I see your opinion as CNN soaked. Opinion pieces are good, provided there is plenty of raw information included in these pieces. But even then, they can pick and choose facts to bolster their case.

You can run around NYC with a camera and make it look like the most beautiful place on earth - or make it look straight out of the pit of hell. That is really all the modern "news" is doing. Picking their facts to match their message.

But an intelligent and thoughtful person can see both photo essays and actually reach a reasonably accurate perspective on just "how" good and bad the city is. CNN has become the "hate trump all the time" channel. I know, I watch their youtube feed. Fox is actually a little more fair, though they are far more positive about him.

The funny thing is that it may just be because there is a lot more that is beautiful about this presidency than ugly. Compare a few broadcasts of Don Lemmon to a few broadcasts of Laura Ingraham and get back with me on your perspective regarding the quality of their analysis. And I mean OFFICIAL CNN and FOX sourced. Not the "analysis of the analyst" videos. That's the kind of work it takes to even have a valid opinion on this. If you haven't watched a lot of videos from both, you don't know what you're talking about.

Not Insane 06-29-2020 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 385403)
Because Billy Barr is completely and utterly corrupt.

Opinions vary. Thanks so much for sharing yours.

bobabode 06-29-2020 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Insane (Post 385421)
Read the actual information from the government. I watched the hearings.

I see your opinion as CNN soaked. Opinion pieces are good, provided there is plenty of raw information included in these pieces. But even then, they can pick and choose facts to bolster their case.

You can run around NYC with a camera and make it look like the most beautiful place on earth - or make it look straight out of the pit of hell. That is really all the modern "news" is doing. Picking their facts to match their message.

But an intelligent and thoughtful person can see both photo essays and actually reach a reasonably accurate perspective on just "how" good and bad the city is. Trump has become the "hate trump all the time" channel. I know, I watch their youtube feed. Fox is actually a little more fair, though they are far more positive about him.

The funny thing is that it may just be because there is a lot more that is beautiful about this presidency than ugly. Compare a few broadcasts of Don Lemmon to a few broadcasts of Laura Ingraham and get back with me on your perspective regarding the quality of their analysis. And I mean OFFICIAL CNN and FOX sourced. Not the "analysis of the analyst" videos. That's the kind of work it takes to even have a valid opinion on this. If you haven't watched a lot of videos from both, you don't know what you're talking about.

Nice ad hom.

donquixote99 06-29-2020 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Insane (Post 385421)
Read the actual information from the government. I watched the hearings.

I see your opinion as CNN soaked. Opinion pieces are good, provided there is plenty of raw information included in these pieces. But even then, they can pick and choose facts to bolster their case.

You can run around NYC with a camera and make it look like the most beautiful place on earth - or make it look straight out of the pit of hell. That is really all the modern "news" is doing. Picking their facts to match their message.

But an intelligent and thoughtful person can see both photo essays and actually reach a reasonably accurate perspective on just "how" good and bad the city is. Trump has become the "hate trump all the time" channel. I know, I watch their youtube feed. Fox is actually a little more fair, though they are far more positive about him.

The funny thing is that it may just be because there is a lot more that is beautiful about this presidency than ugly. Compare a few broadcasts of Don Lemmon to a few broadcasts of Laura Ingraham and get back with me on your perspective regarding the quality of their analysis. And I mean OFFICIAL CNN and FOX sourced. Not the "analysis of the analyst" videos. That's the kind of work it takes to even have a valid opinion on this. If you haven't watched a lot of videos from both, you don't know what you're talking about.

Your post is all opinion, plumping the sources you want people to follow.

"There is a lot more that is beautiful about this presidency that is ugly" is such a whopper. But you claim there are facts to back up your "beautiful" opinion? Let's have some. You said it, now back it up. Give us a post with real substance.

"More than" describes a plurality. Please detail three "beautiful" things about the Trump presidency. Use concrete and verifiable facts.

Earn your pay.

Not Insane 06-29-2020 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 385432)
Nice ad hom.

Against whom? Who did I attack?

Not Insane 06-29-2020 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 385434)
Your post is all opinion, plumping the sources you want people to follow.

"There is a lot more that is beautiful about this presidency that is ugly" is such a whopper. But you claim there are facts to back up your "beautiful" opinion? Let's have some. You said it, now back it up. Give us a post with real substance.

"More than" describes a plurality. Please detail three "beautiful" things about the Trump presidency. Use concrete and verifiable facts.

Earn your pay.

Opinions vary. But at least you and I are willing to do more than just make a blanket statement. We support our position with either facts or some explanation of our reasoning.

It also speaks to why that female trump supporter, when asked by NPR why she supported Trump after his "grab 'em by the..." revelation said, "I'm voting for president, not husband."

Jimmy carter was, apparently, a very nice man, but a lousy president. We don't elect presidents because they are nice. We elect them because they can do the job. And we don't elect pastors for president for a reason.

donquixote99 06-29-2020 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Insane (Post 385450)
Opinions vary. But at least you and I are willing to do more than just make a blanket statement. We support our position with either facts or some explanation of our reasoning.

It also speaks to why that female trump supporter, when asked by NPR why she supported Trump after his "grab 'em by the..." revelation said, "I'm voting for president, not husband."

Jimmy carter was, apparently, a very nice man, but a lousy president. We don't elect presidents because they are nice. We elect them because they can do the job. And we don't elect pastors for president for a reason.


What do you mean, 'we?' No where do I see any mention of specifics behind your blanket statement about the 'beautiful' Trump administration. I see no facts supporting such an evaluation. I just see another empty 'pretending to debate' post.

Not Insane 06-29-2020 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 385462)
What do you mean, 'we?' No where do I see any mention of specifics behind your blanket statement about the 'beautiful' Trump administration. I see no facts supporting such an evaluation. I just see another empty 'pretending to debate' post.

Funny, I thought I was being kind to you. Apparently you simply are not seeing it in my posts. And that's ok. :)

Some are a few sentences, some are paragraphs, and some include links. But the only time I don't really support my opinion is when I'm responding in like kind.

That's my MO and has been for two decades. :)

donquixote99 06-29-2020 02:58 PM

I recognize any 'kindness' from you as yet more disingenuous tactics.

Not Insane 06-30-2020 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 385471)
I recognize any 'kindness' from you as yet more disingenuous tactics.

Yeah. Back at ya.

One by one, so many posters here get outed. I noticed you consider a link that does not fit your narrative to be a time waster. There are some thinkers on this site, but many that think they are are merely the self appointed big fish in a very small pond.

I'm now understanding why young leftists post with such hubris on this site. Most throw out a few posts that disagree, get the kinds of responses I see from you, Chicks and a couple of others, and roll their eyes and move on. My skin is a bit thicker.

Refusing to expose yourself to information and links that may disagree with your public school infused world view does not cause others to take you seriously. You have not won. Others have simply realized you are not worth arguing with at this particular time in your (and their) life.

My skin is a bit thicker and there are those worth engaging here.

And yes, that was against the man (ad hominem). Grow up, Peter Pan. Adults see you for who you are, regardless of how old you are chronologically.

I'll continue to engage those that don't constantly threaten to ignore because they don't like the information I share. If you don't like it, quit responding. It's really that simple. ;)

Pio1980 06-30-2020 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Insane (Post 385450)
Opinions vary. But at least you and I are willing to do more than just make a blanket statement. We support our position with either facts or some explanation of our reasoning.

It also speaks to why that female trump supporter, when asked by NPR why she supported Trump after his "grab 'em by the..." revelation said, "I'm voting for president, not husband."

Jimmy carter was, apparently, a very nice man, but a lousy president. We don't elect presidents because they are nice. We elect them because they can do the job. And we don't elect pastors for president for a reason.

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/10/the...ot-cant-do-it/

Not Insane 06-30-2020 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 385535)

When the results were in, in 2016, I said to my wife, The good news is that Hillary lost. The bad news is that Trump won.

Then he started doing things. I now see him as the greatest president in my 66 years, though some nitwit at Salon may disagree. :D

I don't just think he can do it. I think he's killin' it. ;)


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