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Ike Bana 01-15-2020 05:00 AM

How autocracy works, a brief summary.
 
Trump starts a war with Iran, it ends up not being a war, and he's a hero. And the DOW is up 300 points. Trump starts a trade war with China, then agrees with the Chinese that a bunch of the changes will go back to where they were before he started the trade war, and he's a hero. And the DOW is up 300 points.

As for the fallout from the trade war...without Congressional approval which is usually required for such things, American farmers all across the fruited plain who are being hammered by the effects of the trade war tarrifs, have been provided enormous subsidies by the Trump administration. Where is this money coming from? It's coming from those of us who are not farmers.

And...according to a report on NPR, in pretty much every case, the subsidy has ended up being significantly in excess of the losses actually impacting American farmers.

So us non-farmers are not only paying for the subsidy, we're paying for the pay-off for the farm vote in November. Eighty percent of which went to Trump in November 2016, and eighty percent of which will go for him again this November.

Dondilion 01-15-2020 09:29 AM

Where is the money coming from?...the massive print.

Oerets 01-15-2020 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 381517)
Where is the money coming from?...the massive print.

Borrowed, put on the ole credit card....for the next few generations to pay for.
Somehow the blame will be placed on the Dems of course when being paid off!
That be my guess.

Ike Bana 01-20-2020 09:19 AM

As with every Republican administration, and every Republican controlled Congress, spending and the debt increases geometrically under the control of the "party of small gubmint."

Zeke 01-20-2020 04:51 PM

I cannot recall the last time I agreed with Ike, and I'll admit having eschewed politics for approximately three years -- but I'm forced to concur, here.

donquixote99 01-20-2020 06:51 PM

Republicans are the party of capitalism, that is, the party of greed, so of course they handle public finances like pirates.

(Look up Ambrose Bierce's definition of piracy some time.)

Ike Bana 01-21-2020 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 381534)
I cannot recall the last time I agreed with Ike, and I'll admit having eschewed politics for approximately three years -- but I'm forced to concur, here.

And some people say there's no god, eh Zeke?

Ike Bana 01-21-2020 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 381536)
Republicans are the party of capitalism, that is, the party of greed, so of course they handle public finances like pirates.

(Look up Ambrose Bierce's definition of piracy some time.)

I think, in it's purest form, capitalism is a pretty good model. I think the problem with it, like with pretty much everything else, is that it ends up manipulated by the whole of mankind. The species has taken a workable system for generating operating capital which allows businesses to grow, employ people, produce products and services, and generally allow for the improvement of the quality of life in...uh...civilization, I guess. What has the species done with it? Turned it into a fucking casino. The system has been taken over by day traders, hedge funders, algorithmic computer trading systems, etc. Long-term "investors" like some of us, have always been in it not only to have a place for their retirement funds to grow, but who are the participants who contribute to capitalism functioning as it should.

Mankind will fuck up a pleasant little wet dream.

Dondilion 01-21-2020 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 381536)
Republicans are the party of capitalism, that is, the party of greed, so of course they handle public finances like pirates.

(Look up Ambrose Bierce's definition of piracy some time.)

Both Dems and Reps. The dems are more globalist.

Oerets 01-22-2020 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 381542)
Both Dems and Reps. The dems are more globalist.

The Reps are Monarchist.

The country will decide between the two the path forward if the election is free from corruption and interference.

Ike Bana 01-22-2020 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 381542)
Both Dems and Reps. The dems are more globalist.

Bickering over this shit, at this point in the history of this country. Fuckin' really?

donquixote99 01-22-2020 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 381538)
I think, in it's purest form, capitalism is a pretty good model. I think the problem with it, like with pretty much everything else, is that it ends up manipulated by the whole of mankind. The species has taken a workable system for generating operating capital which allows businesses to grow, employ people, produce products and services, and generally allow for the improvement of the quality of life in...uh...civilization, I guess. What has the species done with it? Turned it into a fucking casino. The system has been taken over by day traders, hedge funders, algorithmic computer trading systems, etc. Long-term "investors" like some of us, have always been in it not only to have a place for their retirement funds to grow, but who are the participants who contribute to capitalism functioning as it should.

Mankind will fuck up a pleasant little wet dream.

Pure capitalism? A creation of capitalist ideology, widely internalized. But capitalism as we know it is an evolution of culture, defined by statute and custom. No part of it is found in nature, physics, or revealed will of God. It's most extreme tenants, that owners own ALL surplus value created by operations, and that material return to owners is the ONLY thing that matters, could be treated as changeable on the whim of any lawmaking authority. If the collective mind was opened up to it.

Dondilion 01-23-2020 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 381552)
But capitalism as we know it is an evolution of culture, defined by statute and custom.

The present gnashing of teeth is the realization that this evolution no longer serves nor respects traditional American middle class...a slow awakening.

Ike Bana 01-23-2020 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 381560)
The present gnashing of teeth is the realization that this evolution no longer serves nor respects traditional American middle class...a slow awakening.

The "evolution" of capitalism and of the equity markets is just more confirmation of the ugliness of our highly over-regarded "human nature."

Mankind are locusts with a little intelligence and too much technology. Pretty much everywhere we go, we lay waste to the planet. Climate change may correct all this.

Ike Bana 02-05-2020 10:44 AM

And if I might add...climate change is not a catastrophe for the planet. It's likely going to be a catastrophe for mankind, and a bunch of other species...but the planet will be fine.

How fine will the planet be? If the catastrophe rids the planet of our species, it will be much better off than if our species survives.

Oerets 02-05-2020 01:22 PM

Gaia Principle in action?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis

donquixote99 02-05-2020 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 381562)
The "evolution" of capitalism and of the equity markets is just more confirmation of the ugliness of our highly over-regarded "human nature."

Mankind are locusts with a little intelligence and too much technology. Pretty much everywhere we go, we lay waste to the planet. Climate change may correct all this.

I point out that certain "locusts" are the only known entities in the universe who see anything wrong with any of this.

Ike Bana 02-09-2020 08:08 AM

Who see anything wrong with any of what?


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