Mueller Time?
 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.3ffa5c1bd6d3

Looks like AG Barr has the Mueller report.

The question is: how much of it will he release?

My guess, Barr will tell the truth.

As little.....as is necessary!

JUST BEING VAGUE!
ELUSIVE!
EVASIVE!

The fact that Mueller quickly stumped on Buzzfeed's collusion and in the end stated that there is no additional indictment are significant pointers.

It would not surprise me to see some Dems turning against Mueller.

That would be imo irrational if he has been seen as an honest broker without prejudice.

OK, let us assume for now Mr Trump will walk away with a report silent on "collusion" and indictments.

Would you STILL trust the man to run the country?

After the close to forty indictments and related scandals, continuing lying.

My fear is the AG will make a decision on what the best option for the country will be, not one in justices served.
The option where the country does not end in unrest.

You may need to re-title this thread. Something like "The Nothing-Burger has Landed" would be fine.

Any special prosecutor with basic skills who is let loose on any political crew will find incriminate facts.

Do you believe Manafort is only one who has been hustling?

Meaning he did not fall prey to the perjured Clapper and lying Brennan. It was obvious to me that garrulous Trump scared neocons and cold warriors on both sides of the Atlantic.
But at the heart of this Trump noise is a desire for 1) a balance to China 2) enhance personal business with Russia. However Trump and his close associates have a simplistic view of business operations in Russia...giving Putin an apartment - WTF.

Rex Tillerson summed him up nicely in four words.

Sigh. You are as dumb as Whell. Step away from the Cucker Snarlson. He's rotting your brain.

Have you read it yet? Do you have insights into what the SDNY and NY State Attorney General will find? Do tell.

Trumpkins Underestimate The Mueller Report By Touting No Indictments

https://www.forbes.com/sites/charles.../#58a4989d529a

Lots more to come, kids.

At some point the state of New York is going to come after Trump. I don't think Trump will ever enjoy another day without something hanging over his head.

You're always good for the odd chuckle now and then, Mike. How do you explain all the crooks/felons that Mueller has locked up? :rolleyes:

Indeed. Do the crime, do the time.

Trump never thought he would win. When he did, the narcissist in him made him think he was qualified. I don't throw that word around much BTW. I have a person in my family who is a clinical narcissist and they have caused much grief. It's a dangerous thing.

There’s a Frontline out now on PBS, obstensivly about the Mueller probe but very about Everything That Has Happened. Worth watching as a highlights reel of the Trump presidency.

Some reminders:
‘Comey go easy on Flynn’
‘Comey you’re fired’ and ‘this will make the Russia thing go away’
‘Trump Tower meeting was just about adoptions’ (and Trump Jr immediately releases I love it emails)
‘Putin very strongly denies it so I believe him.’

Trump is dirty as hell from the word go, and Mueller can’t help but have tons of dirt on him. Mueller won’t indict a sitting President, that’s all.

No other reason? Wow!

Mueller is in for a rough ride.

The buzz is there will be a summary of Mueller's findings within half-an-hour from now....

Cliff notes.....

Nothing to see here move on........

No collusion that he can make stick. Apparently the Trump Tower attempted collusion doesn't count.

Punted on Obstruction of Justice.

My take is Mueller blinked, perhaps fearing institutional damage/instability if this Pres. were pushed to the wall.

It's a good thing the Repubs don't have the House just now, they'd make March 24 a national holiday.

And it's worth keeping in mind that we don't have the Mueller report, we have the Barr report on the Mueller report. A bit cherry picked, one may suppose....

My take : Mueller is a man of substance.

He's not out of the woods yet, there's still the Southern District of New York investigation going on.

"The Special Counsel states that “while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”" AG Barr

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...gtype=Homepage

NY state has already shuttered Trump U as a fraud and awarded a $25 million judgement and shuttered the Trump Family charity for self dealing. Looking forward to the state looking into the money laundering aspect of the Trump family biz and the SDNY's investigation. :)

The most surprised by the Barr letter, the Trump supporter.
Not really so for everyone else.
For they, the Trump supporter know and feel, just suppress that he is a very deeply flawed person.
Very capable of all the accused actions.


Given everything Trump gets a pass on up to yesterday, this is in the norm.

Right. And if you keep reading:

After reviewing the Special Counsel's final report on these issues; consulting with Department officials, including the Office of Legal Counsel; and applying the principles of federal prosecution that guide our charging decisions, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense. Our determination was made without regard to, and is not based on, the constitutional considerations that surround the indictment and criminal prosecution of a sitting president.


Further:

In cataloguing the President's actions, many of which took place in public view, the report identifies no actions that, in our judgment, constitute obstructive conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent, each of which, under the Department's principles of federal prosecution guiding charging decisions, would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to establish an obstruction-of-justice offense.

In other words, all of the crap that was published in the various news rags since mid 2016 that the news - and some of you - were absolutely convinced would result in Trump and/or some of his family members doing a perp walk just went *poof*.

Logic:

"the report identifies no actions that, in our judgment, constitute obstructive conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent."

This lawyerly declaration means a thing can meet any two of the three elements mentioned, and no be chargeable. And further, it's self-identified as a judgement call.

For this, the right will read "TOTAL EXONERATION!"

George Conway @gtconway3d
You misspelled “While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.” Pls fix. Thx.

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Sarah Sanders @PressSec
The Special Counsel did not find any collusion and did not find any obstruction. AG Barr and DAG Rosenstein further determined there was no obstruction. The findings of the Department of Justice are a total and complete exoneration of the President of the United States.”
1:13 PM · Mar 24, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone

This won’t be over until the entire Trump crime family is behind bars for their blatant and continuous crimes.

William Barr Can’t Exonerate Donald Trump
Despite what the attorney general’s letter to Congress states, his argument clearing the president of obstruction goes against established law and is profoundly dangerous.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...ald-trump.html

Bill Barr’s Weasel Words
All the ways the attorney general is spinning the Mueller report to protect Trump.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...e-reading.html

Does anyone besides Trumpkin idiots like Whell doubt that Barr was brought in explicitly to protect Donny? He’s doing exactly what he was hired to do...

John Dean @JohnWDean
Having re-read William Barr’s June 2018 Memo critiquing Mueller’s obstruction investigation and now his summary of Mueller’s Report, it is clear that Richard Nixon would not have been forced to resign his office if Barr had been Attorney General. Barr wants a POTUS above the law.
8:18 PM · Mar 24, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone

In a nutshell, Barr said "Russia did hack the election, but Trump didn't coordinate, although maybe he did obstruct."

Have you tried Dramamine for that whirling Dervish syndrome that you're exhibiting? :rolleyes:

Obstruction is minor for the rabid ones. The big prize was COLLUSION...coordination. That would have declared Trump's presidency/admin illegitimate.

And Mueller despite tremendous pressure declared unequivocally that after 22 months of investigation he found no such coordination.

This is a hard blow to the CNNs, cold warriors, neocons and Clintonistas.

BTW anyone who observed Mueller closely knew this 'verdict' was coming...the only time Mueller broke his silence was on COLLUSION.

Trump has nobody but himself to blame for this investigation. He surrounded himself with lying grifters with myriad Russian ties, lied continuously about his contacts/deals with Russians, and tried to undermine the investigation at every turn. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.

Can't obstruction of justice charges lead to impeachment proceedings?

Trump would probably enjoy being impeached because a Republican Senate will not convict. In addition, this victory against his Deep State foes will enhance his legend while possibly improving his reelection chances.

Your last line made me think of Deadwood's Steve the Drunk. :cool: