Militarists for Peace!
 

I came across this description of a Head of State as a child, age 12: "He is very arrogant, extremely smug and quite taken with himself...is offended at the slightest comment, plays the injured party and more than occasionally gives an impudent answer; furthermore, he is unbelievably lazy and slovenly." link

Sounds like someone we now know, but in fact the description is of the future Kaiser Wilhelm II, from his MOTHER, Queen Victoria's daughter Vicky. Wilhelm's character would later be seen as a major cause of WW I.

Trumps personality deficiencies and militarism seem to present a grave danger of history repeating, except the death toll could be in the billions this time, as opposed to WW I's millions. It's ironic that some still repeat the fantasy that he was the 'peace candidate' compared to war-mongering Hillary.

Trump militarism?

How can you even ask? His bloated defense budgets? His demands for more nukes? His preference for generals as staffers? His policy of militrizing space? His attempt to militarize Pennsylvania ave?

His efforts to withdraw from Syria and Afghanistan.

His efforts not to let Poroshenko use him to serve Poroshenko's local politics.

Space effort is justified in view of China's significant advance in anti satellite warfare.

And are you serious with this Penn business?

Militarists are essentially adventurists; Trump is an isolationist.

There are certainly other possible explanations for the cold shoulder for Poroshenko.

It's a judgement call. Penn Avenue serious; we're looking for indicators of mindset and attitude. The military equipment parade wish is indicative of a childish woody for military weapons and display.

Looks about right.

I'm waiting for the day, fat ass Donnie Bonespurs shows up in a quasi-military uniform. Maybe something similar to the pansy ass Campus Cadet uniform he chased pussy in as Daddy paid off professors to pass his dumb ass at Wharton.

http://www.politicalchat.org/attachm...1&d=1555281844

This image is popular with the base--there's a market for art prints and hand painted copies in oil!

Wilhelm got in trouble essentially because he was an alliance guy. Trump wants to cut alliance.

Nope. Like Hitler, he wants an alliance with other despots (Putin, Kim, and the Nationalist numbskulls in Europe and Brazil).

Unlike Adolf, Donald wants Putin to invest in his Russian hotel and resort business. Kim is attention getting theater and a counter punch to keep his enemies off balance. The numbskulls are his base's cousins.

Hitler and Stalin had a non-aggression pact (until they didn't). No historical parallels are perfect, but there are plenty of similarities between 1930's Germany and today's America.

So Trump is both Wilhelm and Hitler. WTF.

With an admiration for Mussolini. Yeah, not good. I would say he is also a bit like Tojo except Tojo wasn't a fat, stupid, lazy, draft dodging vagina.

Nope. Trump is an Adolph wannabe, trying to overthrow the establishment (Wilhelm) while the establishment enables it.

You are correct about the similarities, but have a country wrong and the time predates Hitler's Germany. The correct country is America.

What are the historical parallels between the nonagression pact, and Trump and Putin? They don't have to be perfect.

Trump's trying to beat up the establishment. The establishment can cope wth a bloody nose, black eye and a few bruises. If Trump is delusional enough to think he can replace the establishment with himself, his cronies and your delusion brown shirts, he's doomed to failure.

Trump believes that the establishment is in collusion with our major trading partners, especially the Chinese, to undercut America.

His big disadvantage is that he is garrulous. He does not have the finesse to make his case.

Hitler overthrew a weak government. The industrialists went along because he was good for them. The military and bureaucracy for the same reason. Turned out Nazi Germany was not good for them and by the time Germany realized this it was too late.

How is Trump using the establishment to overthrow the government?

Trumps goals are different than Adolph's, and his methods not nearly as clever and effective, fortunately. But there are of course similarities in a number of basic values, and methods to a point.

My OP was about basic similarities in personality between Trump and what was noted of Kaiser Bill as a child. The main point is that thinking such personalities are likely to be good at preventing big wars is, on the evidence, misguided.

The main point from the OP is that such personalities lead to big wars.

"Wilhem's character would later be seen as a major causeof WW1.

Trumps personality deficiencies and militarism seem to present a grave danger of history repeating, except the death toll could be in the billions this time, as opposed to WW1's millions."


Worse:
"It's ironic that some still repeat the fantasy that he was the 'peace candidate' compared to war-mongering Hillary."

The fact is: Trump was the peace candidate. Every time he reach out to the other major nuclear entity he was hammered for doing so.

You seem to be suggesting that Trump lacks notable personality deficiencies?

You see him, perchance, as an admirable fellow whose good intentions have been frustrated by cruel, malicious back-stabbing domestic enemies? That is, as he see himself?

That other major nuclear entity rather poisoned the well of amity with its 2016 election interference. Trump's doubtless saintly peace efforts were spoiled by his conduct with regard to same. Maybe you could trust him, but I assure you many others never will.

What war are you referencing?

We want to peg Trump as a sellout to the other major nuclear power and at the same time promote the idea that he would likely lead us in a war with billions of casualties.


This is what happens when we want our villain to be in all the bad checking areas. It leads to bad analysis.

He's pretty much a bumbling clueless arrogant nincompoop.
I expect nothing exhibiting any strategic thinking that doesn't inflate his fragile ego or line his pockets from him, much less anything vaguely in the national interest that doesn't coincide with the previously mentioned priorities.

Who is this mythical "we"? You and your friends in Little Odessa? ;)

:oTime for you to present something substantive to the discussion.


Is Trump a warmonger, who will likely engender a war with billions of casualties or is Trump a sellout a quisling, an appeaser even?

What do you (no mythical) say?

I understand your utter frustration with this guy. Plus you are saying he is essentially a hustler...everthing leads in that direction...no need for complex or possibly bad analysis.
Fair enough.

Peace candidate in relation to a possible nuclear conflagration. Notice the use of 'billions'.

Dond, you are expecting logical consistency from a person who acts impulsively. And you scoff at billions with regard to a CinC whose been quoted as questioning ' why can't we use nuke ?' And what are you going to do now, go around calling me "Bad Analysis Don?'

This isn't anything deserving the description 'analysis,' this is chatter, but I stand by it.

I am reacting to your OP. I agree this is chatter and therefore I am overreacting.
I have great respect for you. You bring quality to this site.

It's why he's being conflated with Hitler, which has sure improved WaPo's and NYT's bottom lines.

He's none of your multiple choices.

He's not a Cold Warrior like Hillary and our congressional warmongers. IOW, peace candidate.

Yawn. Your sentimental love for Putin and his bitch, Trump is quite amusing.

When somebody starts pulling the 'Hillary is a warmonger' schtick out of their ass, you get what you get, tovariche.

Bingo!

And we don't have a winner. And quit copying off my paper dude. Come on! Let's see a contribution to the discussion.

Thanks. I'm sure I over-reacted in turn.

I think it is quite possible that Trump can be both a warmonger and an appeaser. It depends on what he sees on Fox news that morning. The only thing he is consistent about is his distaste for immigrants from anywhere but Slovenia. Otherwise he will just spout what he thinks makes him look good. He will associate himself with Putin to look like a tough guy, and threaten to bomb Iran to look like a tough guy.