Another Mass Shooting, This Time It's a Newspaper in Annapolis
 

"UPDATE: Official: Suspect in newspaper shooting is white male; believed to have used shotgun; not cooperating with investigators.

EARLIER STORY: ANNAPOLIS, Md. — A shooter killed five people Thursday and wounded others at a newspaper in Annapolis, Maryland, and police said a suspect was in custody.
A reporter at The Capital Gazette tweeted that a single gunman fired into the newsroom and shot multiple employees. Phil Davis, who covers courts and crime for the newspaper, tweeted that the shooter fired through the glass door to the office.
"A single shooter shot multiple people at my office, some of whom are dead," he tweeted. Officials later confirmed that five people were killed."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/5-...cid=spartandhp

And Sean Hannity immediately blames Maxine Waters:

Within seconds of learning Thursday about a shooting inside the Capital Gazette newsroom in Annapolis, Maryland, Fox News host Sean Hannity laid blame at the feet of Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters.

“It's so sad that there are so many sick, demented, and evil people in this world,” Hannity told his radio listeners, in a clip first reported by Media Matters. “It really is sad. You know imagine you go to work and this is what you're dealing with today, some crazy person comes in... and I’m not turning this into a gun debate, I know that’s where the media will be in 30 seconds from now. That’s not it.”

“You know, as I’ve always said, I mean honestly—I’ve been saying now for days that something horrible was going to happen because of the rhetoric. Really, Maxine?” he asked, referring to Waters.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sean-h...zette-shooting

...even though conservative freak Milo called for this sort of thing just before it occurred:

Conservative provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos on Thursday insisted on Thursday that he "wasn't being serious" when he recently told two reporters that he “can’t wait for the vigilante squads to start gunning journalists.”

Yiannopoulos's comments Thursday came shortly after a gunman opened fire in the Capital Gazette newsroom in Annapolis, Md., leaving at least five people dead and several others seriously injured. Authorities have taken a suspect into custody, but have not yet released an identity or a motive.

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/39...s-just-a-troll

Thank God for conservative civility.:rolleyes:

Jebus. These Foxbots really are mole people. Hannity is a disgusting piece of excrement.

This guy could turn out to be a prophet.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b06e25326587ca

I stand corrected.

Apparently a 'ordinary violent nutcase' not inspired either by Trump or Maxine Waters. That one aspect of this tragedy is good.

Hannity will probably double down on his 'Maxine Waters' analysis....

All these disgusting Repubes ever do is offer "thoughts and prayers". Worthless bastards.

Non-political.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0f3c2219f742d

Per numerous proclamations of the Commander-in-Chief, the victims were all "enemies of the people." You should be delighted, Mr. Fake News.

Whell’s favorite purveyor of fake news, InsHannity, denies he blamed Maxine Waters for the shooting, after blaming her multiple times, on air.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/29/medi...ent/index.html

So, Trump said "fake news" was the enemy of the people. I think its pretty crass of you to:

- make this shooting political when its not, and;
- conflate the victims of the Capital Gazette shooting as purveyors of fake news at a time like this.

Pretty sad.

Donny’s target isn’t the fake news media (Faux, Limblow, Breitfart), it’s the real news outlets, like this one, which report the facts, which he so hates.

Your post is so typical of you, Whell. Try to paint others as the dishonest ones, while being utterly dishonest yourself. You’re the lowest of the low.

So, you're focusing not on what Trump actually said, but what you wish/hope to infer from what he said. This allows you to build yourself a nice straw man that you can play with. Got it.

And you call me dishonest and "the lowest of the low". :rolleyes:

^^ Did Trump or did he not call NYT, WaPO and CNN (to name a few) fake news?
Please answer this simple question if you can bring yourself to it.

In reference to specific news stories, yes.

I thought this thread was about the shooting. Its pretty clear the shooter in this case was not motivated by anything Trump said. So, what difference does it make - to borrow from the Hilly - what Trump tweeted in this case?

Was actually focusing on your (and your fellow Trumpies’) gullibility, and willingness to outright lie for your Dear Leader, but it went right over your head.

Donny has called out the real news media, on multiple occasions, for telling the truth. They’re “the enemy of the American people”. You swallow this filth whole, without blinking. You’re such a fool. :rolleyes:

Trump Named The World’s No. 1 Oppressor Of Press Freedom: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b003133ecc3439 Sad.

Yup, your type of "lump everyone into a pile" stereotypical logic would go right over a thinking person's head. :rolleyes:

Were those news stories true or false?

Threads have a way of going where the conversation goes and no one can control it.

LISTEN: Journalist shares horrific death threats from Trump supporters in wake of Annapolis massacre

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/lis...olis-massacre/

Friends of Whell.

Here is one example of what Trump has said. Seems to put the lie to what you are asserting but then it's no surprise considering your track record here, Mike.

ps This is a textbook example of a 'strawman' argument, btw.

Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump


The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!
2:48 PM - Feb 17, 2017

It "put the lie to nothing". And yes, you create a straw man argument when you do what you just did: pull the quote above and use it out of context. Your suggesting that quote is the Prez's universal view of all media, every day 24/7. That quote is best viewed in context of what was happening on 2/17/2018, when he was calling reports on those networks of of his aides' contact with Russia "fake news."

You may also be suggesting, as others have, that quote from 4.5 months ago should be color anything that may have occurred with yesterday's shooting. If that's the case, at least the Reuter's editor apologized. :rolleyes:

Once again you've moved the goalposts. Your childish rants and deflections are tedious and boring, Mike. I've had better conversations with a five year old. At least they've laughed when they tried the 'I'm rubber, you're glue' rhetorical device.

I point out exactly where you're breaking your own "rules" and you call it a childish rant. Wow, that's really cool. :rolleyes:

I did neither, nor did I make an assertion of causation. All I said was that Trump (and you as a Trump cultist/sycophant/apologist) should be pleased by the death of such frequently-vilified "enemies of the people," just as Americans were pleased by the death of Osama bin Laden. Trump has vilified the free press as much or more than he has vilified any other real enemy of the American people from OBL to the Taliban to ISIS to Hezbollah (to Russia, obviously). No matter how hard you try to excuse Trump's behavior, it is simply true that he has vilified the free press like no other enemy. Own it.

You did not make an assertion of causation because you know that you and your ilk are the cause. You are hiding like a rich giggling coward. I have been in the shooter's shoes since you all have purported to like me. The difference between me and the shooter is that I fight with words.

The outrage industry is real. You know it and I have learned it. What I do not understand is what good you want to come of your industrialized persuasion. What do you want? What is your goal?

To demonstrate to you and Whell and any other Trump cultists the vile, malignant nature of Trump. Whell is completely blind to it. Are you?

Hmm. It's the demonstration -- the acting out of philosophical differences -- that I struggle with. Demonstration is noisy. I am more of a laborious and hands on kind of guy. My goal is maintaining beautiful things. When it comes to guns I want to maintain the comradery of their manufacture and maintenance so that their users can hit their targets. Similarly when it comes to persuasion I want to maintain a first amendment goal of truth as a target. In the bullseye of that contrast is a notion that profiting by persuading people to shoot each other is OK. That thinking harkens back to the 20th century when abundance theory and Rhode Scholarships came on the scene.

The fallacy was that money is an acceptable substitute for truth. Money is not a substitute for truth. It never has been. The word "capitalism" started out as a derogatory term. So did nerd, and geek, and quant. Those are all mathematical terms and end up at the average. Who wants to maintain the average? No one. What we want to maintain is something that looks and feels like small town living with occasional day trips between them to experience delicate contrasts with our neighbors. But no. The math has split our society into worrying about shades and shooting each other because we are tired of being measured and persuaded to turn this way or that.

That's a very long, evasive and confusing answer to my question as to whether you're blind to Trump's malignancy. Are you? See if you have it in you to answer in one clear, concise sentence.;)

Hmm. It's the demonstration -- the acting out of philosophical differences -- that I struggle with. Demonstration is noisy. I am more of a laborious and hands on kind of guy. My goal is maintain to beautiful things. When it comes to guns I want to maintain the comradery of their manufacture and maintenance so that their users can hit their targets. Similarly when it comes to persuasion I want to maintain a first amendment goal of truth as a target. In the bullseye of that contrast is a notion that profiting by persuading people to shoot each other is OK. That thinking harkens back to the 20th century when abundance theory and Rhode Scholarships came on the scene. The fallacy was that money is an acceptable substitute for truth. Money is not a substitute for truth. It never has been. The word "capitalism" started out as a derogatory term. So did nerd, and geek, and quant. Those are all mathematical terms and end up at the average. Who wants to maintain the average? No one. What we want to maintain is something that looks and feels like small town living with occasional day trips between them to experience delicate contrasts with our neighbors. But no. The math has split our society into worrying about shades and shooting each other because we are tired of being measured and persuaded to turn this way or that.

EB, you may be overthinking things a bit.

There are very few REAL arguments. Individual vs. community, which in more abstract words is selfishness vs altruism. 'Let's try this new thing' vs. 'let's honor the old ways.' A few others. These arguments will never be settled, and indeed, should not be. The answer to all the propositions is 'sometimes.'

Many people are easily persuaded to fear. Uses have been found for that. These represent the 'less real' arguments I implied existed, above.

donquixote99,

I do not know where you live. I live in southeastern Michigan -- smack in the middle of the rust belt. The politicians in my area seem to talk about road repair during every election. I am tired of hearing it since 1980, which is when I landed here.

I agree with you that there are very few real arguments. In my area the road issue is a prime example. In the context of individual vs. community as an abstraction of selfishness vs altruism, roads provide us with an outlet for us to escape the confines of our communities and intermingle with the individuals of other nearby communities. The intermingling can be through social constructs such as corporate work and private play. But in the middle of that, the roads need to be enjoyable, they need to be beautiful, for us to actually maintain them. The evidence for me that we have ugly roads lies in our willingness to abandon structures that abut them and search for happiness in greener pastures. In Michigan we use the phrase "going up North" to express our need to get away from our ugly roads.

That's not to say that all of our roads are ugly. There are a few that are pleasant to drive. One example is Pontiac Lake Road which is curvy and I learned follows an old Indian footpath. It also happens to be in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods of the state.

To come back to your point of 'Let's try this new thing' vs. 'let's honor the old ways.' and a few others should never be settled, I also agree with that. It is normal in the human experience to try and alter our environments. I think that particular emotion is what permits the book "Who Moved My Cheese" to rise to popularity. It reminds us of the industriousness of the beaver, which is what the old Indian trails around here had to weave through, vs. human ability to construct orthogonal mazes and f*ck with each other like vermin of NIMH.

Perhaps where I starkly disagree with you, because I do as a recovered muddler, is in the degree of error that think-tankers and their associated media outlets should let accumulate before they check themselves and realize that they are failing a laugh test of the first amendment. The proof is they are persuading voters and politicians to build and maintain things that are ugly. The one percent is making work instead of making sense.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I will tell the seed of my emotion one more time. I was walking through Regensburg, Germany, with a colleague. She told me that walking on those roads made her want to hold her man's hand while walking her dogs. No roads in SE Michigan inspire such beautiful emotion. Up North? Maybe.

The error of form has grown too large for the first amendment to support, ergo muddling is unacceptable here at the moment. We need politicians to understand art.

"Ilk"? "Giggling coward"? What the hell are you on about? :confused:

I live in southwestern Ohio, around or in Dayton mostly, though I'm now in the process of moving to Cincinnati (a very nice life transition is happening). Dayton has been a little Detroit, abandoned by GM and DELCO and NCR. The devastation was no where near as widespread as in Detroit, though, measurable in acreage, not square miles. The city has muddled well, as muddling goes.

Perhaps we should expand on the meaning of this term 'muddling.' I would call it 'working the system,' with the system being a starkly limited and inefficient thing, rife with burdensome baggage, haphazard structure, and moral compromise of all sorts. I can see you being disgusted by it, but many participants mean well and plug away at trying to make the best possible outcomes in the limited spheres in with they operate. Others, to be sure, do not.

Disgust, disdain, and conviction that you are hearing the 'enemy' is an understandable reaction when listening to the self-serving BS of vote-seekers. Neither Finn nor I fall into that category, however, so I don't think we deserve quite to be thought of as 'ilks' or giggling anythings. The outrage industry you speak of has many faces, some of with speak to you, I fear.

I think you and I have an agreeable definition of "muddling". Perhaps what I need to clarify is what kind of neighborhoods and city designs precipitate out of the solution of popular muddling versus what precipitates out of a solution that is seeded with roundly educated leadership.

Do you get what I'm beginning to put effort into? Popular muddling is rooted in mathematical Cartersian thought. Global muddling, let's say muddling that results in beautiful European villages that have survived 500 years, seems to be rooted in a more ancient notion of the preservation of the body politic. The notion of the body politic goes back 2000 years to the Greeks and Romans.

American governance, being only 240ish years old, is still trying to digest the amusement park popularity of Cartesian muddling vs. the rounded muddling of Aristotle and Cicero.

I dunno. All I know is that I wish the media and think tanks did a better job of persuading American populace to build things that we want to maintain.

:P

Divide by zero error on a big data scale.

Making fresh flowers a significant part of one's personal space often alleviates whatever ails.

Finn - keep stuffing the straw in that straw man. I think its the only thing that makes you feel good these days.

It is not a straw man to assert that Trump has frequently vilified the press as "enemies of the people" (words lifted from Stalin). Is it really a stretch to say that Trump would be displeased by his enemy, the free press, being harmed when he tweeted a video of himself body-slamming a CNN reporter? Keep defending the indefensible, Whell. That's what you do.

Your Dear Leader today on journalists, a week after the murder of five of them:
"I see the way they write. They're so damn dishonest. And I don't mean all of them, because some of the finest people I know are journalists really. Hard to believe when I say that. I hate to say it, but I have to say it. But 75 percent of those people are downright dishonest. Downright dishonest. They're fake. They're fake. They make the sources up. They don't exist in many cases. These are really bad people."

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. Trump's 75%, above, falls in the 'damned lies' category, since he just made it up, and it slanders good people.

There's bitter irony in such a moment, when such a damned lie has just left your mouth, in calling others 'dishonest' and 'really bad people.'