Haven't we heard this before?
 

A call for a Second Amendment solution.

https://nypost.com/2018/03/19/congre...pposing-trump/

It's from the other side though. Do you think there will be a huge outcry? :rolleyes:

Yeh, his irresponsible claim mimics exactly what the NRA and nearly every Republican believes and says.

From link above:
What is wrong with that? Isn't that what the 2nd Amendment supposed for?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms.........................". Security of a free state is the operative word and how is Trump's actions not drifting away from it; first the firing of Comey, then McCabe, and now threatening to fire Mueller. And now he wants a rubber stamp Senate?

Yes, we heard it from the bumbling, incompetent current resident of the Oval Office, vs his infinitely more qualified opponent on the campaign trail. Red meat for his rabid idiot supporters. You, perhaps? Doesn’t make it ok for this guy, though I doubt he was serious.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign...d-stop-clinton

Hey JJ, you missed out on posting a far more interesting story in your link.

Donald Trump Jr. romanced Aubrey O’Day during marriage to Vanessa

Like father like son. Melania's eyes, Stormy's boobs. While his wife was pregnant too. :D
Sorry the picture is too large to post.

https://pagesix.com/2018/03/19/donal...552.1521558387

Indeed it is one of the three reasons for the 2nd. If the people perceive Trump as a despotic tyrant usurping our democracy and denying us our rights as Americans we have the right to take up arms against him if all else fails. Afterall, it's why we rebelled against that despot George III. However, Trump doesn't come close to meeting this bar and if the head spinning fools take up arms to try and overthrow our president they will be deservedly crushed.

FWIW, a snowball has a better chance of surviving in hell than Trump has of obtaining a rubber stamp Senate. I'm also pretty sure that what's left of our democracy will survive Trump's FBI vendetta.

I would think twice before making that statement.
And why do you think there is nary a word from the GOP Congress regarding protecting Mueller's mission?

Absent a well regulated militia, the 2nd is heritage nonsense surviving on momentum.
And no, it does not grant a Constitutionally protected right to armed insurrection against Federal authority.

Your the one who needs to do some more thinking. :) Tell me how Trump is going to get a rubber stamp Senate when he doesn't have one now. BTW, pretty sure Trump doesn't need Senate approval to fire Executive Branch employees.

The answer to your question is because he's theirs. :D

I was being sarcastic and to point out the absurdity of the need for an armed militia in 2018.

The National Guard being our nation's militia. :)

Oops, should have known that. :o

On second thoughts need to look this up. Isn't National Guard part of the military or some such thing?

That may be arguable either way, re the 2nd. Regardless, they are issued and trained in the use of standardized arms. They don't grab grampy's flintlock musket off the wall on the way to muster.

The NG is often overlooked in these 2nd arguments as is the full intent of the 2nd's authors.

It's a fact Jack. The National Guard are federally funded state militias until federalized.

By definition perhaps, but they don't muster with personal weaponry. Standardized weaponry is provided.

There's no perhaps about it and I'd appreciate it if you'd credit me with enough intelligence to know that members of the NG don't use their ancestors rusted out flintlocks. :rolleyes:

The point is that possession of firearms and participation in the reserve/ NG isn't related to the 2nd by necessity or practice.

First, the Reserves are not state militia like the Guard. Second, you are correct that participation in the NG has nothing to do with the 2nd.

So, my point is that the 2nd is a relic of it's time, no longer applicable as intended. It's a right without a purpose that would better serve as a regulated privelege.

Your point is a moving target.

The Electorial College and Senate are also relics which we're stuck with until addressed via constitutional amendments.

Moving target?
Agree about the EC, hadn't thought much about congress critters.

I for one agree with the Founding Fathers on the EC and Senate as to the distribution of representation.

For me it has to do with a way to equalize big and small populations in States. The fact some have figured how to game the system is what needs to be addressed.



Barney

Good points.

The Senate, yes. The EC, not so much. Distrust of the rabble's choices.

Not really.

Your rabble elects the Senate.

Senate is a State wide election, equal to in all fifty! There by when it is a majority in that forum it be one.


Barney

The rabble elects directly everyone but EC selections and appointments, afaik.
Where does the EC come from?

Kinda sucks when people you thought were family and friends come along and rub your nose in it like a pup who can't seem to learn, don't it? :rolleyes:
I suggest you all get used to it John, cause these new kids don't seem to be inclined to giving a shit or minding their 'P's n 'Q's like before. They're going to be all up in the NRA's grill this weekend. Good for them, I think I'll give the kids fiddy bucks or so to get 'em going.

My knees already gave their all back in the early '70's when another crook was in the White House. ;)

Yet another relic from the founders, helping the small States. At that time the Slave States be it at the time. Still a smaller lesser members of the whole collective. Thus giving a equal vote in the decisions for the whole.


Barney

Former U.N. ambassador John Bolton recorded a video used by the Russian gun rights group The Right to Bear Arms in 2013 to encourage the Russian government to loosen gun laws.

The episode, which has not been previously reported, illustrates the common cause that Russian and American gun rights groups were forming in the years leading up to the 2016 election through former National Rifle Association president David Keene. Keene appointed Bolton to the NRA's international affairs subcommittee in 2011.

Russian politician Alexander Torshin helped establish The Right to Bear Arms and cultivate ties with American gun rights groups including the NRA. As a Putin ally, Torshin served as the deputy speaker of Russia's parliament for more than a decade, and also spent time on Russia's National Anti-Terrorism Committee, a state body that includes the director of Russia's internal security service.

The Bolton video appears to be another plank in a bridge built by Russia to conservative political organizations inside the United States. It's unclear why Russian leaders wanted to curry favor with the NRA, but Torshin and Keene appeared to have developed close ties over in the years prior to the 2016 election.

It's a relationship that has outsized importance now that the FBI is reportedly investigating whether Torshin illegally funneled money to the NRA to assist the Trump campaign in 2016, as McClatchy reported in January. The NRA has declined wrongdoing.
National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster Is Expected To Leave Trump Administration
The Two-Way
National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster Is Expected To Leave Trump Administration

Bolton, who visited President Donald Trump in the Oval Office earlier this month and has reportedly been considered as a replacement for national security adviser H.R. McMaster, is a curious pick for The Right to Bear Arms in its video effort to influence the Russian legislature.

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/22/59589...ntent=20180322

Yeah, sometimes I wonder when Republicans will realize that they're a part of the so-called "tyrannical government". It would be a hoot to watch them come under attack by the very monster they created. Just desserts.

It seems we might be headed that way.

Wow! Right to bear arms in Russia.

And do you believe helping smaller states is a relic?

No not at all, helping not over powering by sheer numbers by a more populated neighboring state. Was an item inserted at the founding fathers, now a historic one, hence the term relic was used.
Much liken to keeping the residents of Alaska and California represented in a balance of power. Where if it was just a majority controlled then in all reality the states with a largest population would control the smaller ones.


Barney

In 1776 much of the USA wasn't. Automatic arms were not even thought of yet. Slavery was legal. And so on and so on. Stuff changes,nothing that lives stays the same. USA map at the time of the Declaration Of Independance (in red):
https://etc.usf.edu/maps/pages/6200/6206/6206.htm