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bobabode 11-08-2017 04:09 PM

Good ol Shellackin' in Virginia
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...mepage%2Fstory

If this keeps up through the midterms... :D

Chicks 11-08-2017 05:29 PM

The idiot in chief immediately distanced himself from the losing Rupube, right after several days of tweets supporting him. Under the bus. When will they learn that he is loyal to no one?

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Ed Gillespie worked hard but did not embrace me or what I stand for. Don’t forget, Republicans won 4 out of 4 House seats, and with the economy doing record numbers, we will continue to win, even bigger than before!
5:40 PM - Nov 7, 2017

finnbow 11-08-2017 05:46 PM

The densely populated areas of Virginia are far too educated and diverse to put up with the Dotard's bullshit.

whell 11-08-2017 05:58 PM

Yup, the Dems had a good night in VA. Hardly big news, however, that a traditionally blue state elected a Dem governor. The more interesting wins for Dems were the down-ballot races in VA, but those might not have "national" implications.

whell 11-08-2017 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 363805)
The densely populated areas of Virginia are far too educated and diverse to put up with the Dotard's bullshit.

Many of residents those "densely populated areas" derive their income from Washington DC, and have an interest in maintaining the status quo. Alexandria, Virginia Beach/Norfolk, etc.

Rajoo 11-08-2017 06:42 PM

Read today that 2/3rd of independent voters, who now are a plurality in the US, voted against the Dotard.

Chicks 11-08-2017 06:46 PM

Anti-Trump turnout in droves, despite the rain. Lots of female candidates. 13-term bigoted homophobe ousted by a transgender. This was a clear message to Trump, which Whell is too dense to understand.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...b0468e76541b3/

Rajoo 11-08-2017 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 363809)
Anti-Trump turnout in droves, despite the rain. Lots of female candidates. 13-term bigoted homophobe ousted by a transgender. This was a clear message to Trump, which Whell is too dense to understand.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...b0468e76541b3/

Also read that a GOP operative was moaning that getting a black, latino or a female vote is going to be very difficult for the Dotard Party.

I find this humorous. Trump called Kim Jr. Rocketman and he in turn called Trump a Dotard. I am certain no one in NK will dare to call Kim Rocketman, whereas here we get to call Trump a Dotard at will. :D

finnbow 11-08-2017 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 363807)
Many of residents those "densely populated areas" derive their income from Washington DC, and have an interest in maintaining the status quo. Alexandria, Virginia Beach/Norfolk, etc.

Now you're parroting Jerry Falwell, Jr. in his tweet bemoaning Trump clones getting their asses handed to them in VA:

DC should annex NOVA and return the governance of VA to Virginians! The founders intended DC to include all fed employees who are conflicted.

The educated and highly-paid professionals living in NoVA, Richmond, and Tidewater financially support the rest of the state. If those living in the red parts of the state (rural and southwest Virginia) were willing to move to other parts of the state, they too could enjoy the bounty of a state with a vibrant economy, very low unemployment, great cultural resources and low crime. Or they can remain Trump voters, stewing in their resentment while hoping for the salvation that Donnie Dotard promised. That and Oxycontin should get them through the day.:cool:

mpholland 11-08-2017 07:52 PM

I don't talk politics much since I moved over to the east side of the state. Probably why I'm not in here much. Independents are definitely the minority here.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/...0Copy.png?dl=0

whell 11-09-2017 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 363808)
Read today that 2/3rd of independent voters, who now are a plurality in the US, voted against the Dotard.

Huh? Where? Maybe in Virginia, but not nationally.

https://ivn.us/2016/11/09/independen...lection-trump/

http://www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls

whell 11-09-2017 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 363809)
Anti-Trump turnout in droves, despite the rain. Lots of female candidates. 13-term bigoted homophobe ousted by a transgender. This was a clear message to Trump, which Whell is too dense to understand.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...b0468e76541b3/

In the special elections for House seats vacated by Republicans who migrated to Trump's Cabinet, Democrats went 0-for-4. But those had nothing to do with the guy in the White House. Now we have an election in a blue state, the Dems happen to chalk up some wins in the blue state, and you and the media want to call it "a referendum on Trump".

So Tip O'Neill was wrong when he said "All politics is local". OK, whatever. :rolleyes:

finnbow 11-09-2017 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 363820)
So Tip O'Neill was wrong when he said "All politics is local". OK, whatever. :rolleyes:

On that note, in Loudoun County (considered the Virginia bellweather) Gillespie lost by 1% in his 2014 Senate bid to Warner (mirroring the final result that year), but lost by 26% to Northam. Furthermore, a huge Republican majority in the House of Delegates (67-33, I think) was completely wiped out.

Rajoo 11-09-2017 09:43 AM

Embracements have become embarrassments.

whell 11-09-2017 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 363821)
On that note, in Loudoun County (considered the Virginia bellweather) Gillespie lost by 1% in his 2014 Senate bid to Warner (mirroring the final result that year), but lost by 26% to Northam. Furthermore, a huge Republican majority in the House of Delegates (67-33, I think) was completely wiped out.

So, the polls got it wrong again? Was Gillespie really "closing the gap", or were WaPo and the pollsters totally off the mark like they were for the Nov 2016 election?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.280a42837a38

finnbow 11-09-2017 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 363823)
So, the polls got it wrong again? Was Gillespie really "closing the gap", or were WaPo and the pollsters totally off the mark like they were for the Nov 2016 election?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.280a42837a38

Don't know and don't care. The only poll that mattered is the one that happened Tuesday and it was indeed a shellacking of epic proportions.

A possible explanation is that turnout for people who voted for Hillary was down 10% for this less-than-midterm election, whereas turnout for those who voted for Trump was down 40%. In other words, far more people are repulsed by Trump than still approve of him and this showed up in spades in Virginia.

whell 11-09-2017 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 363831)
Don't know and don't care. The only poll that mattered is the one that happened Tuesday and it was indeed a shellacking of epic proportions.

A possible explanation is that turnout for people who voted for Hillary was down 10% for this less-than-midterm election, whereas turnout for those who voted for Trump was down 40%. In other words, far more people are repulsed by Trump than still approve of him and this showed up in spades in Virginia.

An alternative explanation was the Gillespie wasn't a good enough candidate to motivate his base to get to the polls. Trump wasn't on the ballot. Gillespie was.

finnbow 11-09-2017 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 363836)
An alternative explanation was the Gillespie wasn't a good enough candidate to motivate his base to get to the polls. Trump wasn't on the ballot. Gillespie was.

Not living around here, you have no idea. The broad consensus here was that Gillespie ran a far better campaign than Northam. This is reflected in the very article you linked to. If you're trying to spin the epic ass-kicking of the Virginia election to having had nothing to do with Trump, you're sadly mistaken or just plain delusional.

Exit polls revealed an unmistakable anti-Trump backlash Tuesday, as Democrats won resounding victories in governors races in Virginia and New Jersey.

Majorities of voters in both states disapproved of the job Trump is doing as president, with significant numbers of voters in each state saying Trump was a reason for their vote. And far more of those voters said they made their choice to oppose Trump than to support him...But what is unusual about Tuesday night is the extent to which the two races were about Trump...

Half of Virginia voters said Trump was a reason for their vote — with twice as many saying they were voting to oppose Trump (34 percent) as to support him (17 percent). Northam won 97 percent of voters for whom opposing Trump was a factor.


https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...llespie-244677

Rajoo 11-09-2017 01:42 PM

Let's wait till the Republican House and the Senate roll out their tax cuts.

No deduction for state taxes?
Mortgage deduction eliminated for a second home?
Property tax deduction capped at $10K?

And all this to eliminate estate tax and reduce taxes for corporations. Guess where the corporations will take their money. See Apple for reference. And this is to create jobs and new revenue stream?

Put money in working people's pockets and they spend the money which fuels the economy.

Rajoo 11-09-2017 01:43 PM

State of Maine and their expansion of Medicare will be the next Republican nightmare.

MrPots 11-09-2017 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 363804)
The idiot in chief immediately distanced himself from the losing Rupube, right after several days of tweets supporting him. Under the bus. When will they learn that he is loyal to no one?

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Ed Gillespie worked hard but did not embrace me or what I stand for. Don’t forget, Republicans won 4 out of 4 House seats, and with the economy doing record numbers, we will continue to win, even bigger than before!
5:40 PM - Nov 7, 2017

Gillespie's attack ads were ridiculous and unbelievable. I didn't even know the guy and disliked him after I saw his first ad. I couldn't help but notice the stark difference in campaign ads, those who did nothing but attack and lie, and those who listed accomplishments and goals. Since the republicans have no accomplishments...well you know who had what.

bobabode 11-09-2017 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 363806)
Yup, the Dems had a good night in VA. Hardly big news, however, that a traditionally blue state elected a Dem governor. The more interesting wins for Dems were the down-ballot races in VA, but those might not have "national" implications.

What have you been smoking? Up until '08 Virginia was a solidly red state and as redneck as they come outside of NoVa. It's bullshit statements like this that make you such a joke Mike.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia

finnbow 11-09-2017 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 363848)
What have you been smoking? Up until '08 Virginia was a solidly red state and as redneck as they come outside of NoVa. It's bullshit statements like this that make you such a joke Mike.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia

Indeed. Before Gov. McAullife, 3 out of 5 of the past governors have been GOP and the House of Delegates has had an overwhelming GOP majority for the past 17 years.

bobabode 11-09-2017 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 363850)
Indeed. Before Gov. McAullife, 3 out of 5 of the past governors have been GOP and the House of Delegates has had an overwhelming GOP majority for the past 17 years.

If I were a Repuke, I'd want to forget Bob McDonnell, too. ;)

finnbow 11-09-2017 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 363853)
If I were a Repuke, I'd want to forget Bob McDonnell, too. ;)

True dat. Quite a skank.

bobabode 11-15-2017 08:16 PM

They're still counting ballots down in Ol' Virginny. ;)

http://thehill.com/homenews/state-wa...ia-state-house

Chicks 11-16-2017 08:28 AM

Republican governors fear a 2018 midterm wipeout after Virginia loss

"What is driving the turnout? Is it a specific issue? Is it a specific region? Is it a specific type of voter? What impact of Washington?" Walker said, without offering an answer.

Pretty simple, Scott. Assholes like you, Roy Moore, and the Asshole In Chief. You all need to just go away. Thinking people are sick and tired of your greed and divisiveness.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/politi...nia/index.html

Rajoo 11-16-2017 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 364046)
Republican governors fear a 2018 midterm wipeout after Virginia loss

"What is driving the turnout? Is it a specific issue? Is it a specific region? Is it a specific type of voter? What impact of Washington?" Walker said, without offering an answer.

Pretty simple, Scott. Assholes like you, Roy Moore, and the Asshole In Chief. You all need to just go away. Thinking people are sick and tired of your greed and divisiveness.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/politi...nia/index.html

Very well said, direct and to the point. These people are a national embarrassment and perhaps even the wingnuts are tired of them and their policies of division.

sanford12 11-17-2017 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 363836)
An alternative explanation was the Gillespie wasn't a good enough candidate to motivate his base to get to the polls. Trump wasn't on the ballot. Gillespie was.

Head in the sandman. Stay asleep to fact that most people hate having Donald as prez. Sad to see someone lose objectivity and a grasp of the facts. He never should have been elected for his past history and for all the people who knew and accepted it you should be ashamed.


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