Another church mass killing
 

Texas Church Shooting Leaves at Least 25 Dead, Official Says

Gunman killed or dead. Let the hand wringing and candlelight vigils begin since there is nothing else to do. Places of worship used to be sanctuaries and now nothing is sacred.

Verb sad and my condolences to the families of the loved ones.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/u...=top-news&_r=0

And now the ammosexual community braces themselves for what they consider to be the greater tragedy; Talk of gun control. I love it when these soulless bastards claim they have to continue to flood our society with ever more weaponry; ".....because it's so dangerous out there!". Yeah, we know. Thanks.

If a Muslim did it, conservatives will be outraged. If a non-Muslim did it, there will be empty, vacuous words from conservatives and we'll move on. Seen this movie before.

We need some real gun control, common sense approach to this problem.


Come on do we really want this keep happening over and over?


Barney

This is not the time to talk about gun control when people are grieving. :rolleyes:
Give it a few days till this episode is forgotten and then we can talk abut it, which is usually never.

I'm not sure anyone really cares anymore.

This kind of thing keeps happening and keeps happening and NONE of our "representatives" do anything but mutter and capitulate.

Actually the same thing they do with every other issue facing us.....

Why do we have these people around?

A 2nd amendment hardliner state representative and others shot in a public park, and thats ok with him. As long as the majority continue to be held hostage by the usual suspects, nothing changes. So, please to enjoy your constitutional right to be a random live target in a randomly selected public shooting gallery.

Predictably, Trump and the GOP immediately blame mental illness for this mass shooting and discount easy access to assault weapons.

“I think that mental health is your problem here. Based on preliminary reports, a very deranged individual, a lot of problems for a long period of time. But, this isn’t a guns situation.”

Yes, the problem is that the United States has a hundred times as many mentally ill people than any other nation on earth. Well, maybe we do? they're called "Republicans". :rolleyes:

On the other hand, by post #2 in this thread, we had already moved past sympathy for the victims and jumped right into politicizing this tragedy. That may be a new record. Congrats! :rolleyes:

So, so sad for the families of the victims. Sounds like the motivation of the shooter, beyond any psychological issues he may have had, was a significant anti-religious bias..

Meanwhile, individuals with access to firearms may have kept this shooting from being far worse.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/loc...r-12334070.php

But he failed to mention that it's the republicans that closed down all the mental health facilities in the 80's flooding the streets with republicans. It's the only way they can win an election.

I call that a BS, this was after the fact and as he was walking from the carnage.
The town only had one church and a very small population. In the end he killed himself.

Bullshit. The shooting in the church was over when these guys intervened. You are such a tool.

Worse yet, Trump quietly revoked an Obama Executive Order aimed at preventing mentally ill people from getting guns.

President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.

The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.

Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to that database.

President Barack Obama recommended the now-nullified regulation in a 2013 memo following the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, which left 20 first graders and six others dead. The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mental-n727221

The NRA response will be ---------(wait for it)-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MORE GUNS !!!

Of course! Not just guns in schools, but guns in churches! :rolleyes:

More lefty history revisionism. In fact, the effort to move mental health services from hospitals to community centers dates back to the '50's and '60's. But why left facts stand in the way of an opportunity to spread false info so you can bash political opponents? :rolleyes:

Here's the story on that, if you're even remotely interested facts:

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/sc...pagewanted=all

Oh, yeah right. "Cuz a whack job owith a gun would never think about using it again. Or, maybe go to another church and start shooting again.

You're such a shill.

whell, please establish your credibility in this discussion.
Trump blamed the shooting on the killer's mental health. Yet Trump rolled back the very regulation that could have prevented a demented individual from possessing guns.

All you have a good is guy bad guy excuse which in itself is weak.

Speaking of shills, got any more irrelevant BS you wanna sling?

Tell me how this "Obama - era EO" would have stopped yesterday's shooting, or kept DP Kelly from getting a gun?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/us/dev...ect/index.html

Kelley purchased the Ruger AR-556 rifle in April 2016 from an Academy Sports & Outdoors store in San Antonio, a law enforcement official told CNN.
When Kelley filled out the background check paperwork at the store, he checked the box to indicate he didn't have disqualifying criminal history, the official said. He listed an address in Colorado Springs, Colorado when he bought the rifle, the official said.

No criminal history. No history of mental illness. Was apparently "unknown to police". And as to your post of the irrelevant news item above, would not have been receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses. As far as people "deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs", at least at this point there's no information out there that a court appointed someone else to handle Kelly's financial affairs.

But he, keep slingin' the crap, Finn....:rolleyes:

See my post above. Maybe you and Finn can get together and come up with some angle that would support your tenuous suggestion that the "very regulation that could have prevented a demented individual from possessing guns" that Finn cited would have any bearing on this case.

There's a sympathy cards only thread over at AK, here we can dig deeper and speculate on causes and approaches to these events.

Always amusing when Whell, a regular MSM basher for their “liberal bias”, posts links from NYT, CNN and WaPo to back him up. Lol. Can you spell “hypocrite”, boys and girls? I know you can...

From Whell's post, 'must' reading;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d-atheism.html

Your moron in chief claimed mental health without any background information on the killer. So the argument here is that this is coming from the same moron who rolled back these provisions from the gun legislation that was passed post Sandy Hook.

So my question is where is the credibility here for Trump, GOP and you who seems to be championing their causes relentlessly?

Remember the Kenny Rogers lyrics, "Know when to hold them, know when to fold them...............", the time is here and now. ;)

The second amendment has become a religion in itself with a statistical minority advocating a no limitations interpretation. As a result, we have a virtually unrestricted massive open distribution of military grade high capacity rapid fire tactical weaponry to all comers.
So, what exactly is the purpose of the second? It is simply concisely enumerated in the first of the three parts.
It's past time to revaluate it in light of it's present purpose and place in our laws and our lives.

The Second Amendment has become a marketing tool for the gun manufacturers with the NRA acting as their lobbyists. So unless and until the NRA membership looks at carnage caused by out of control gun ownership, mass killings and hand wringing will continue. Fear for me now is that this is going to lead to copycat killings, especially since the killers motives can only be speculated.

Wondering this morning if video games contributing to this. what would possess someone to kill innocent people in a place of worship.

Now I know where you got your talking points whell, a man who seldom if at all tells the truth. this is KG level stuff. :rolleyes:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.bf23e101bf33

No criminal history? He spent a year in prison for assaulting his wife and child and was then discharged from the military for bad conduct (BTW, domestic violence is a primary predictor of gun violence).

The Obama action would have kept guns out of the hands of 75,000 mentally ill people. Perhaps it wouldn't have kept the gun out of this particular individual's hands, but it would have done so for tens of thousands of people like him. Moreover, your Dear Leader, attributed this crime to mental illness (do you, for once, dispute your Dear Leader?) after having recently taken actions to ensure that mentally ill have access to guns. You're probably too blinded by your Dear Leader's brilliance to see the profound hypocrisy of his actions.

I agree. The Washington Post is KG level stuff.

For the talking point readers like you, FYI - the local news is calling the guy a hero.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/loc...r-12334070.php

That's right. NO CRIMINAL HISTORY in the local, state or federal system. His year in confinement was in the military due to a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and preceded his dishonorable discharge. At most, if a background check was run, and if the person running the background check specified a search of military records, they background check might have disclosed the dishonorable discharge but not the reason for it.

So why bring it up? It has NOTHING to do with yesterday's tragedy.

You said "no criminal history." Spending a year in military prison for a conviction on domestic assault charges ain't exactly "no criminal history." Such crimes committed while in military service can be tried in military or civilian courts, at the discretion of the military.

So, you're OK with your Dear Leader immediately saying that it had nothing to do with guns and everything to do with mental illness in the wake of him ensuring that 75,000 of America's mentally ill will have access to weapons?

Authorities said the gunman, who was identified as Devin Kelley, 26, had sent “threatening texts” as part of the family dispute. They emphasized that the shooting at the church in Sutherland Springs near San Antonio did not appear to be fueled by racial or religious issues.

“This was not racially motivated, it wasn’t over religious beliefs,” Freeman Martin of the Texas Department of Public Safety said at a news briefing. “There was a domestic situation going on within the family and the in-laws.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...s-generations/

It appears to have been fueled by domestic/family issues, something he had spent a year in prison for and is a leading cause of gun violence.

Its not a criminal history that would likely pop on a background check. So, in the context of this discussion, which is the Obama - era EO that would have magically kept the Texas shooting from happening - at least that's what you got Rajoo thinking that - there's no criminal history that would have popped on a background check.

So, why post something about Trump rolling back an EO that has nothing to with yesterday's shooting?

Sorry no, my opinion on this was formed a long time ago. And that is:

People with guns kill, more people with guns and more people will get killed. It's called the law of averages.
As for assault weapons a simple question is why and where is ownership of an assault weapon guaranteed in the constitution?

See Scalia on the Heller decision.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dist...mbia_v._Heller