CNBC - The time for polite debate on gun control is over.
 

The time for polite debate on gun control is over.

Not that I don't agree, but this is the same thing we heard after columbine, after Sandy Hook and after the movie theater and the night club....

Those of us who want a ban on all hand guns, assault rifles, and any other auto-loading firearms, should and will keep saying it. Or maybe we will just move to some decent country like Austrailia or anywhere in the EU.

BTW - IMO, this is not about conservatives, Republican politicians, and/or the NRA. It's all about too many Americans who want their guns, in particular too many "liberals/Democrats" who love their guns. With guns and with healthcare, if every liberal Democrat rose up and demanded an automatic firearms ban and universal Medicare, we would have at least a 50/50 chance of getting both. Bit they won't, so we don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting either.

It's on the people. It's always on the people. Donald Trump is on the people. Americans get the government they deserve.

The realistic bottom line, posted elsewhere;
http://thehill.com/opinion/national-...he-consequence

Perhaps. And if it is the only realistic bottom line...it would be the primary reason this country will never become what it might have been...and will remain the open sewer that it has become.

And...its only the consequence of freedom because of American culture. A culture that does not possess the maturity to be afforded a Second Amendment. What we have is a system of democratized gun carnage. If we really don't want that, it's easy enough to do. All it takes is a new Amendment. If the American people really want this to stop, the American people can stop it. Do Americans really want this carnage to stop? No...they do not.

Most people are reigned to the fact that there will never be any rational gun control legislation as long as the NRA (the real force is a little known organization called NSSF, National Shooting Sports Foundation which funds the NRA for being their mouthpiece) has the GOP and most southern states politicians.

Carnage happens, gun manufacturer's stock prices go up. Cannot even hurt their pocketbooks.

Blaming organizations and political parties and billionaires and PACS for the problems of the country let those who are responsible off the hook.

Americans have the country they deserve.

CNBC - The time for polite debate on gun control is over.
 

Right...... 😏

Those organizations have big money which gives them big voices in the matter.

This is the way I see how change will happen...
remember back to the Vietnam war? In the beginning the troops we sent over were (for the most part) individuals who had few other career/work options. Poor folk. Or, individuals who chose the army over jail. Sure, people complained about a war we had no business fighting, but their voices were ignored.
Then, they started using that lottery or number system.... I forget what it was called. All of a sudden, people with money and a bigger voice were sending their children off to war and bringing them home in coffins. That is when the political will began to change. Now senators and governors were speaking up about how wrong it was to be fighting as their own children were at stake.

That is how I see the gun issue. Nothing will change until those in power start to really feel the hurt. Til their child, their wife, their brother or sister is taken out by a semi automatic weapon at some public event.
So far, we have not reached that point.

Even then, it is so baked into our culture that nothing that could change the liability will change our puerile relationship with firearms.

As I recently posted in the Linda Sanchez thread...

When polled 90% of Americans regularly bleat that the Congress should be cleared out and we should start over with all new people. But when polled if that includes their US House rep, over 70% say, "Oh no! Not my rep...I love my rep!!!"

Intellectually lazy-ass Americans have exactly the country they deserve. Nothing will change until the people stop being quite so stupid.

We just might see action this time. Why do I say this? Bottom line economics at it's core. This is going to hurt financially the entertainment and hospitality industries. So by the appearance of action will lull the masses till the next time.



Barney

I see a lawsuit storm coming.

CNBC - The time for polite debate on gun control is over.
 

Exactly!
When it starts to impact those with power/money.... things will change.

Why are the people stupid?

Is there a place where the people are not stupid? What makes the difference, if so?

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There is no place where the people aren't stupid. There are a number of places where the people are considerably less stupid than they are in this country.

What makes the people in the UK less stupid. They accepted gun laws that have made the rate of firearms homicides 40 times lower than the rate in this country. What makes the people in the Netherlands less stupid? They supported a healthcare system that has served every person in their country. What makes the people of the EU less stupid? The kids of most, if not all of the member nations therein, are kicking American kid's asses in math and science.

I'd say, considerably less stupid.

And, that is the sad truth. Thanks, Ike.

My mother said it best;

"Yes, we should do all of these things because it's only right that we should fight racism and poverty. The only problem with it is that nobody really cares."

A few days ago, I watched a thread wherein "Christian Conservatives" discussed; "What is God trying to tell us through all of these hurricanes?". They blamed gays, Liberals, "moral degradation", one man blamed Africa "Because that's where they come from and it's full of Muslims.".............. They blamed everything BUT the only thing it could be; the global climate.

We used to laugh at these idiots.

The idiots have taken over.

Again, what makes them considerably less stupid? Are there factors we might hope to emulate?

Education. Yesterday's C student is today's A student.

Asked and answered.

My old aunt Margie said it best to me one day when I was a reckless addled dope smoking hippie freak. "Oh I never vote honey...it only encourages them."

The Second Amendment is an example of why we need a Second Constitutional Convention to get rid of the now relatively useless document we spend most of our time arguing over. And the most ridiculous argument of all is arguing about what the slave owning, elitist white landed gentry who were the founders of this almost decent nation, really meant when they penned the Second Amendment without knowing what a gas operated firearm was.

PS - What is the most ridiculous statement in all of the history of American government? "We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal." Should have read..."We hold these truths to be self-evident that all white men of property are created equal."

That's right. It's some white man's fault.

Of course, if there were no white men we would not have any of the cool things like the internet, smart phones, etc.

And, we might even have enough technology to feed maybe a 1/4 of the world's population.

Perhaps if Columbus had not come here some Apache would have invented all of that. Or, some Zulu.

Never Never Land.

Real classy. :rolleyes:

I wonder what 'triggered' that outburst? Maybe you should go to your 'safe space' and hug your binkie, eh 'snowflake'?

What's funny is that racial purists invariably represent the absolute dregs of their respective races. Your torch-carrying brothers in Charlottesville accomplished none of the above.

You really want to get into a debate about which race of people is responsible for generating the most misery and suffering in human history?
For perping the most oppression, slavery and genocide? Really? Aryans or Zulus?

And why am I not surprised that a despotic racist who used torture and mutilation to control native people and govern on Hispaniola would be a hero to the likes of you.

I know...lets you and me meet at the Vatican Museum where we can walk around and take in history's most amazing display of white Christian plunder.

Just because something pisses you off does not make it any less true.

If the Europeans had never come to the western hemisphere , Africa, Australia, new Zealand , etc. there is little reason to believe they would be any different than they were five hundred years ago.

That would actually be a good thing IMO. It would be cool to have an America that the Europeans had not fucked up. Sort of a prime directive like in Star Trek.

Non the less, the lefty really has to struggle to find any technology that wasn't driven by Europeans.

It is a simple fact.

Of course, the lefty brings up Charlottesvile and that logic of getting from point A to point B is a good example of their problem.

Actually, the gunpowder that allowed for the European conquest of the Americas was a Chinese invention, as was the paper upon which our Constitution was written. The horse, which allowed for exploration of the frontier, was first domesticated on the Eurasian steppe in Kazakhstan and farming, which has sustained our country, was invented in Mesopotamia. And the advanced mathematics that allowed for western technological advancement was also invented by an Arab.

Zero’s “facts”. Straight out of the Trump / Fox “News” / Rush Limbo playbook. Idiot.

Not very well, then.

Cool, didn't know they invented the horse.


And, that is the struggle I was speaking of. Paper, gunpowder, and mathematics. Obviously they would have invented I Phones in another week or two.

Opinions...opinions....are like assholes. Everybody's got one.

And the silence from Zero's festering piehole....was deafening

J. C. Bose, a Bengali scientist, investigated microwave physics on which modern microwave communications is based, in India before 1900.
http://web.mit.edu/varun_ag/www/bose.html

Some of the smartest people in the world are in India. But, I was really talking about the people who drove the industrial revolution and the technological revolution.

It's pretty clear that Edison stole at least some of the technology that he drove in to prominence, as well as Bill Gates.

Never said there weren't plenty of scum bags in the lot.

Just that if you take the white men out of the equation the world would be a vastly different place.

Good or bad.

I think we should put together a list of the worst scumbags in the history of the world. And we can see how many of them turn out to be white. I'll start. Hitler, Stalin, most of the Popes (at least 250 of the 266 Popes). Okay your turn.