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whell 08-23-2017 11:29 AM

The name "Robert Lee" triggers lefty fears of micro-aggression?
 
I thought this was a joke, but apparently its true. An ESPN announcer has been removed from ESPN's TV coverage Virginia/William and Mary football game.

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/201...harlottesville

ESPN's statement:

“We collectively made the decision with Robert to switch games as the tragic events in Charlottesville were unfolding, simply because of the coincidence of his name. In that moment it felt right to all parties. It’s a shame that this is even a topic of conversation and we regret that who calls play by play for a football game has become an issue.”

Somewhat more amazing is that ESPN employee Lee is an Asian American that would not trace his family history and origins to anywhere near Charlottesville, Virginia, the Confederacy, the South, etc.

But highlighting ESPN's comments: "...we regret that who calls play by play for a football game has become an issue." My question is: Who made the guy's name and whether he calls that particular football game an "issue"? I sincerely doubt it was anyone on the right. And this issue, I guess, is that this guy being attached to the telecast of this football game is something the lefty's at ESPN fear might trigger a micro-aggression or something? Who the hell thinks like this?? :rolleyes:

Like I said earlier (and was roundly criticized for, by the way): where does this stop? Once we open the Pandora's Box and surrender to mob rule on this topic, where does it end?

Chicks 08-23-2017 11:31 AM

So, Trump does a complete meltdown yet again in a tirade last night, an this is your response? You're pathetic.

Rajoo 08-23-2017 11:32 AM

A politically correct decision in my opinion.

Pio1980 08-23-2017 11:38 AM

An unfortunate coincidence of a symbolic name with a polarizing cachet.

whell 08-23-2017 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 359973)
So, Trump does a complete meltdown yet again in a tirade last night, an this is your response? You're pathetic.

Textbook, albeit transparent, attempt to change the subject when you'd rather not talk about the OP.

whell 08-23-2017 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 359976)
An unfortunate coincidence of a symbolic name with a polarizing cachet.

The ultimate coincidence of obscene over-sensitivity with lack of rational thought.

Rajoo 08-23-2017 11:54 AM

For Trumpheads anything that creates a confrontation is good, damn the results.
ESPN is not BLIGHTFART.
ESPN = 'Entertainment and Sports Programming Networks' and as such needs to appeal to all audiences.

Pio1980 08-23-2017 11:57 AM

Thought it was Blightfart.

donquixote99 08-23-2017 12:01 PM

Would you believe 'Lightfart?'

bobabode 08-23-2017 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 359982)
Thought it was Blightfart.

It's now Blightshart since that gin soaked freak, Steve Bannon is back at the helm with his "weapons" in hand.

Pio1980 08-23-2017 12:23 PM

"BLIGHTSHART" works for me.
Make it so.

bobabode 08-23-2017 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 359972)
I thought this was a joke, but apparently its true. An ESPN announcer has been removed from ESPN's TV coverage Virginia/William and Mary football game.

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/201...harlottesville

ESPN's statement:

“We collectively made the decision with Robert to switch games as the tragic events in Charlottesville were unfolding, simply because of the coincidence of his name. In that moment it felt right to all parties. It’s a shame that this is even a topic of conversation and we regret that who calls play by play for a football game has become an issue.”

Somewhat more amazing is that ESPN employee Lee is an Asian American that would not trace his family history and origins to anywhere near Charlottesville, Virginia, the Confederacy, the South, etc.

But highlighting ESPN's comments: "...we regret that who calls play by play for a football game has become an issue." My question is: Who made the guy's name and whether he calls that particular football game an "issue"? I sincerely doubt it was anyone on the right. And this issue, I guess, is that this guy being attached to the telecast of this football game is something the lefty's at ESPN fear might trigger a micro-aggression or something? Who the hell thinks like this?? :rolleyes:

Like I said earlier (and was roundly criticized for, by the way): where does this stop? Once we open the Pandora's Box and surrender to mob rule on this topic, where does it end?

I wonder why you chose not to mention this part of the article, Mike? Looks like it was a mutual decision.

"A network spokesperson told SI's Richard Deitsch that ESPN did not force Lee to change assignments and that Lee personally felt more comfortable moving to another game." Sports Illustrated

finnbow 08-23-2017 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 359972)
I thought this was a joke, but apparently its true. An ESPN announcer has been removed from ESPN's TV coverage Virginia/William and Mary football game...

Actually, it's your racist Trumpenfuhrer who is the joke. Notwithstanding the fact that "a network spokesperson told SI's Richard Deitsch that ESPN did not force Lee to change assignments and that Lee personally felt more comfortable moving to another game," I hope you realize that all of this stuff represents (over)reaction to Trump's Fascist and racist impulses.

The switch on the assignment change was first reported by Clay Travis, the founder of the Outkick the Coverage site and a host on Fox Sports Radio. The story picked up a lot of steam immediately on conservative outlets and with conservative commentators. It has since by picked up by everyone short of The Onion.

ESPN later issued additional comments, first to Yashar Ali of New York Magazine and then to other outlets: “No biggie until someone leaked it to embarrass us,” said an ESPN PR spokesperson. “They got their way. That’s what happened. No politically correct efforts. No race issues. Just trying to be supportive of a young guy who felt it best to avoid the potential zoo.”


https://www.si.com/tech-media/2017/0...ncer-broadcast

MrPots 08-23-2017 01:16 PM

We can speculate all we want, one thing that is fact is that trump has brought out the worst this country has to offer..and made it mainstream.

Chicks 08-23-2017 01:54 PM

Gosh, these threads just never seem to go whell's way once the facts come out, do they? One would think he'd learn eventually, but like his Dear Leader, he seems uninterested in actually learning.

whell 08-23-2017 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 359989)
I wonder why you chose not to mention this part of the article, Mike? Looks like it was a mutual decision.

"A network spokesperson told SI's Richard Deitsch that ESPN did not force Lee to change assignments and that Lee personally felt more comfortable moving to another game." Sports Illustrated

You can wonder all you want. I posted the statement that ESPN released. That statement says: "We collectively made the decision with Robert to switch games...." You may disagree, but I don't think that statement leaves any doubt that Mr. Lee participated in the decision-making process.

You can also quote the "un-named spokesperson's" statement, but I find it irrelevant. By the time that unattributed quote was made, articles were already appearing that questioned ESPN's decision-making here. I sincerely doubt Mr Lee originated this discussion with ESPN's management, and that's the salient point.

And still the unanswered question: who in their right mind thinks like this?

donquixote99 08-23-2017 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 360000)
And still the unanswered question: who in their right mind thinks like this?

Americans living in the time of the Trump administration.

whell 08-23-2017 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 359991)
Actually, it's your racist Trumpenfuhrer who is the joke.

I wonder if the "false equivalence and whataboutery police" will chime in here. I doubt it. :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 359991)
I hope you realize that all of this stuff represents (over)reaction to Trump's Fascist and racist impulses.

So, the fascist lefty response is for the news and entertainment business start looking at the last names of on-air talent, and not assigning talent to cover a particular news story or event if that on air talent's name might be deemed a form of micro-aggression that might trigger lefty snowflakes to run and hide in their safe spaces. Brilliant!

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 359991)
The switch on the assignment change was first reported by Clay Travis, the founder of the Outkick the Coverage site and a host on Fox Sports Radio. The story picked up a lot of steam immediately on conservative outlets and with conservative commentators. It has since by picked up by everyone short of The Onion.

ESPN later issued additional comments, first to Yashar Ali of New York Magazine and then to other outlets: “No biggie until someone leaked it to embarrass us,” said an ESPN PR spokesperson. “They got their way. That’s what happened. No politically correct efforts. No race issues. Just trying to be supportive of a young guy who felt it best to avoid the potential zoo.”


https://www.si.com/tech-media/2017/0...ncer-broadcast

Get your facts straight. Outkick may have "broken" the story, but it was actually folks inside ESPN that contacted Outkick to "out" ESPN's idiocy. That resulted in the following news wire from ESPN which is still in their website:

http://www.espn.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=20423088

A spokeswoman for ESPN says Lee has been moved to Youngstown State's game at Pittsburgh on the ACC Network on Sept. 2. The network says the decision was made "as the tragic events in Charlottesville were unfolding, simply because of the coincidence of his name."

So in the story, ESPN states that the decision was made "collectively" - their quotes. Nice attempt to build a straw man to hide behind their own stupidity.

bobabode 08-23-2017 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 360000)
You can wonder all you want. I posted the statement that ESPN released. That statement says: "We collectively made the decision with Robert to switch games...." You may disagree, but I don't think that statement leaves any doubt that Mr. Lee participated in the decision-making process.

You can also quote the "un-named spokesperson's" statement, but I find it irrelevant. By the time that unattributed quote was made, articles were already appearing that questioned ESPN's decision-making here. I sincerely doubt Mr Lee originated this discussion with ESPN's management, and that's the salient point.

And still the unanswered question: who in their right mind thinks like this?

Your "salient point" is whiffed up, unsupported bullshittery better suited to WND, Mike. :rolleyes:

Sorry 'bout that, Sister Mary JJ. (grin)

Chicks 08-23-2017 02:35 PM

Anyone into military aviation history knows about the CAF, and has toured, or been lucky enough to ride in, one or more of their planes. I certainly didn't shed a tear when the C in their name changed, did you? Quite appropriate.

https://commemorativeairforce.org/aboutus/history

finnbow 08-23-2017 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 360004)
So in the story, ESPN states that the decision was made "collectively" - their quotes.

Collectively implies that all involved in the decision (including Lee) were involved, exactly as ESPN later fully explained. I guess you figure that this somehow mitigates or excuses Trump's Charlottesville disaster. In fact, it's much ado about nothing, other than it gives Trump apologists a very thin thread of hope that they can change the subject from Trump's NeoNazi sympathies to ESPN's silliness (or compassion for their employee).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-moral-voices/

bobabode 08-23-2017 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 360009)
Anyone into military aviation history knows about the CAF, and has toured, or been lucky enough to ride in, one or more of their planes. I certainly didn't shed a tear when the C in their name changed, did you? Quite appropriate.

https://commemorativeairforce.org/aboutus/history

I.Did.Not.Know.That. Cool! :)

Rajoo 08-23-2017 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 360011)
I.Did.Not.Know.That. Cool! :)

+1 and thanks for sharing the knowledge.

merrylander 08-23-2017 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 359980)
The ultimate coincidence of obscene over-sensitivity with lack of rational thought.

America gave up on rational thought back in the 60s according to the latest Atlantic - I tend to agree.

bobabode 08-23-2017 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 359998)
Gosh, these threads just never seem to go whell's way once the facts come out, do they? One would think he'd learn eventually, but like his Dear Leader, he seems uninterested in actually learning.

Heh. ;)

whell 08-23-2017 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 360009)
Anyone into military aviation history knows about the CAF, and has toured, or been lucky enough to ride in, one or more of their planes. I certainly didn't shed a tear when the C in their name changed, did you? Quite appropriate.

https://commemorativeairforce.org/aboutus/history

It's interesting that this quote appears on their website:

Mission Goals

"A generation which ignores history has no past and no future" – Robert Heinlein

whell 08-23-2017 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 360010)
Collectively implies that all involved in the decision (including Lee) were involved, exactly as ESPN later fully explained. I guess you figure that this somehow mitigates or excuses Trump's Charlottesville disaster. In fact, it's much ado about nothing, other than it gives Trump apologists a very thin thread of hope that they can change the subject from Trump's NeoNazi sympathies to ESPN's silliness (or compassion for their employee).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-moral-voices/

Again, collectively or singularly, is irrelevant (even though ESPN wants it in the forefront to paper over an idiotic display of PCism run amock). It's amazing that someone inside ESPN thought that there was a decision to be made here. Though you may want to defend it as much ado about nothing, it was apparently substantive enough for WaPo to push out an op-ed blaming Trump for it, and of course you lap it right up. As if PC has only been around since Nov 2016.

Chicks 08-23-2017 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 360021)
It's interesting that this quote appears on their website:

Mission Goals

"A generation which ignores history has no past and no future" – Robert Heinlein

Very true. Now, exactly what does the confederacy have to do with WWII airplanes? You seem incapable of understanding the most basic things...

finnbow 08-23-2017 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 360023)
Again, collectively or singularly, is irrelevant (even though ESPN wants it in the forefront to paper over an idiotic display of PCism run amock). It's amazing that someone inside ESPN thought that there was a decision to be made here. Though you may want to defend it as much ado about nothing, it was apparently substantive enough for WaPo to push out an op-ed blaming Trump for it, and of course you lap it right up. As if PC has only been around since Nov 2016.

Do you actually care about this? I don't. A low-level sports broadcaster on a low profile game (UVa v William&Mary) gets reassigned. BFD.

Pio1980 08-23-2017 05:28 PM

https://www.si.com/tech-media/2017/0...ncer-broadcast

Chicks 08-23-2017 05:41 PM

Some very interesting news about the confederacy today. Science attempting to explain historical facts. Very different thing than statues celebrating historical figures.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/23/health...udy/index.html

finnbow 08-23-2017 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicks (Post 360028)
Some very interesting news about the confederacy today. Science attempting to explain historical facts. Very different thing than statues celebrating historical figures.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/23/health...udy/index.html

As a Civil War history buff, I've read Raising the Hunley and went to visit the Hunley museum in Charleston in February. I highly recommend both the book and the visit. Any excuse to go to Charleston is a good excuse.

whell 08-24-2017 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 360025)
Do you actually care about this? I don't. A low-level sports broadcaster on a low profile game (UVa v William&Mary) gets reassigned. BFD.

Then why keep posting about it if you don't care?? You're a walking contradiction sometimes, Finn.

nailer 08-24-2017 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 359979)
Textbook, albeit transparent, attempt to change the subject when you'd rather not talk about the OP.

Your red micro aggression OP?

nailer 08-24-2017 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 360031)
As a Civil War history buff, I've read Raising the Hunley and went to visit the Hunley museum in Charleston in February. I highly recommend both the book and the visit. Any excuse to go to Charleston is a good excuse.

Charleston is a Lost Cause celebration for many of its visitors. First time I went there the team stayed at the Citadel Embassy Suites. Made sure I had a first floor room. :cool:

finnbow 08-24-2017 09:37 AM

The name "Robert Lee" triggers lefty fears of micro-aggression?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 360050)
Then why keep posting about it if you don't care?? You're a walking contradiction sometimes, Finn.


You sure are slow on the uptake. I'm goading you. I don't care the slightest bit for UVA football. For me (a VT grad), they're the enemy. One of the few things I dislike more than UVA football is NeoNazis. I'm funny that way.

+48v 08-24-2017 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nailer (Post 360054)
Your red micro aggression OP?

:) spot on

whell 08-24-2017 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nailer (Post 360054)
Your red micro aggression OP?

You're saying it's micro-aggression to point out idiotic behavior on the left?

LOL!

whell 08-24-2017 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 360059)
You sure are slow on the uptake. I'm goading you.

Maybe you're just not good at "goading"....

finnbow 08-24-2017 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 360074)
Maybe you're just not good at "goading"....

It seems to have worked.


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