I'm not KKK, I just want to preserve my heritage...
 

...say the alt-right marchers from Charlottesville.

Ahhh yes...the "Lost Cause."

Well listen up motherfuckers. The heritage you want to preserve is a heritage of racism, lynch mobs, and treason.

It's the heritage of Shawn Berry, Lawrence Russell Brewer, and John King...heritage guardians who offered James Byrd, Jr a ride home, beat him half to death, pissed on him, chained him to the back of their pick-up truck, and dragged him around the back roads of Jasper Texas until his body hit the edge of a culvert and his head was severed. The perps copped that they had slashed Byrd's throat and that he was already dead when they chained him to the pick-up. But autopsy results found that during the dragging, Byrd was alive and had attempted to keep his head off the ground until the culvert ripped it off.

Take your heritage and stuff it up your ass.

In that most of these statues were erected during the Jim Crow and Civil Rights eras, these eras of white supremacy are exactly the eras they wish to preserve. With Trump's help, of course. MAGA indeed.

Racist bastard (Trump) has visions of grandeur for the grand old south! time for this f@#ker to go!

I can tell you that a whole lot of VOTERS feel that exact way.

The left has learned nothing. Leave the fucking statues alone. Why didn't Obama make taking him down his cause ? Because they weren't bothering anything.

You will get Trump crammed right back down your throat.

Again.

You know who also thought that these 'Lost Cause' monuments were shit?
Robert E. Lee himself.

Hopefully trumpie gets knocked off his pedestal just like those confederate statues!

They don't bother me or you. They bother our black fellow citizens. After what the country has put them through, their desire to remove vestiges of the Jim Crow and Civil Rights eras is fully understandable.

Lee was dead before the Lost Cause myth was born. You could say the historical revision began with his death.

Feh. After Lee signed the surrender, the treasonous prick should gave been taken out behind Wilmer McLean's house and shot. Glorifying a racist traitor with a fucking statue is a disgrace.

What are you gonna do...start whining about the preservation of southern heritage? The only heritage these monuments represent is the heritage of racism, treason, and lynch mobs.

It's hard to argue against the notion that this is exactly the heritage those goons in Charlottesville want to preserve.

The Lost Cause started when the first shell fell on Fort Sumter in Charleston Bay, mon capitaine.

That's when the Civil War began, private.

Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_C...he_Confederacy

It's the vestiges of slavery that are being removed.

Yes and no. Most of the statues were indeed erected during the Jim Crow and Civil Rights eras, but both eras were vestiges of slavery.

More studied obtuseness from Cap'n Obvious. Sad.

It is indeed good to see you agreeing with yourself and me. Yes and Yes. :cool:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost...he_Confederacy
Worth repeating.

I'm sure they sat around all the time thinking that Confederate statue really bothers me.

Why do you care how they came to the conclusion that they don't like monuments to their oppression? I don't care how you came to be a racist prick. You simply are one and a morally repugnant one at that.

That's right. When all you logic sucks just cry racism.

At the time, what really bothered blacks were the segregated drinking fountains, bathrooms, restaurants, transportation, and trees that were used only for hanging blacks. And the police.

Statues didn't talk or segregate, at the time.

When I was a kid blacks were treated terribly. My closest neighbors were black and we played together in the woods behind the houses and why I had to go by a black school to get to a white school was curious since at the time I was not aware of the history of it all. Even had a "black" store which I went in regularly and was treated great.

They integrated the schools when I was in the sixth grade and there was nothing to it.

Now, I am going up to the store and spend some time with the old codgers that congregate there in the morning, probably 1/3 black.

Provided they are not so torn up about statues that they can't get out.

And now black Americans are treated just fine by white Americans all across the fruited plain, from sea to shining sea. You ridiculous nazi pig.

My logic is fine, thank you.

Slavery was the cause for the CW. PERIOD!
Once again the rich and entitled convinced the masses that a war was needed to preserve their way of life. But failed miserably destroying it instead.
That is the history needing to be remembered.
Now the racists are using the same time tested arguments to justify their agenda. The statues battle flag are symbols of hate to a segments of our society. The forced displays is a power play rubbing it in the face by those who are behind this movement.
Convincing some it is history or heritage. But now it also appears they will fail miserably with the removal of them all. Much like the removal of the battle flag from state capitals.







Barney

It's just the best when the blatant racists whine about being called a racist.

When you were a kid black people were treated terribly. No...really?

These monuments glorify murderous behavior and the length traitorous scum will go to when there are business interests that need protecting. Prior to 1793 the American south was a bucolic setting of various sized farms that enslaved a comparatively small number of sub-human vermin to do the stoop labor. But all that changed with the invention of the cotton gin. It took a Yankee inventor from Massachusetts to show pre-Antibellum southerners how they could really make slavery pay. Whence came the huge profitable plantations and the lazy-ass economic system that fit with southern temperament.

Sure, small half-starving farmers who couldnt afford slaves worked their asses off...but the big interests...the plantation owners and politicians...they were the people that over 600,000 Americans, who didn't own shit, died for.

Let's start a petition to label The Band as a bunch of racists, and assure that all their music - including and especially the song "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" - never gets another second of airplay on any radio station or streaming service. And let's also label Joan Baez and Johnny Cash as a couple of racists for covering that song and ban their music as well. Throw them all under the bus.

Sure. The big bucks music industry is certainly not free from those who will do almost anything for a big buck.

Just keep in mind though that a lot of music is written about poor misguided ignoramuses who were, and are, too stupid and indoctrinated to know they're being taken for a suicidal ride by the one percenters. Be it in the 2010's or the 1860's. Thus, "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down." Where the protagonist is some poor white, disenfranchised, ignorant rebel soldier who never owned a slave and drank the kool-aid. Just like the poor disenfranchised white ignoramuses in the 2016 election.

PS - try not to be such an utter racist pig, eh?

I'm sure someone will ask Ms. Baez about it sooner or later.

Don't have to listen or buy the offending music do ya! Everyone's tax dollars to support a racists agenda a different story completely. Melt them down to make freedom bells I say.



Barney

You're an idiot. TNTDODD was written by a Canadian as a first-person narrative of social distress experienced by a poor white Southerner during the last year of the American Civil War. WTF does that have to do with Trump embracing Neo-Nazis?

Like my father before me, I will work the land
Like my brother above me, who took a rebel stand
He was just eighteen, proud and brave, but a Yankee laid him in his grave
I swear by the mud below my feet,
You can't raise a Caine back up when he's in defeat

It seems to me Trump and his Lost Cause fanboys are indeed trying to raise Caine.

I'll still shoot any Yankee who tries to burn my copy. :cool:

Apparently written as a dirge for the defeated South and the"lost Cause" from a poor white Southern perspective.
Discussion of lyrics and performances here;
http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=1106

You're an undulating flow of old mucus, but that's beside the point.

Yes, the song is absolutely about Southern Heritage. It invokes sympathy for those whose lives were forever changed by the civil war. It recalls the dead who fought in that war The lyric you cite above invokes the memory of a Confederate Soldier who was "proud and brave", who fought for something he believed in (he took a rebel stand).

But I guess your interest in this topic is a bit to "surface" and "Trump focused" to understand that. The core of the question really is: what did it really mean to "take a rebel stand". To folks like Ike, and probably you, it ONLY means racism apparently.

Nope. It was written by members of the Band, primarily Robbie Robertson.

Shelby Foote, an unrepentant Lost Causer, summed it up up best in Burns' The Civil War as to why the common man volunteered to fight for their side in the Civil War. Billy Yank was fighting to preserve the Union and Johnny Reb was fighting because "you (Billy Yank) are here."

Should've pulled it out and looked at the back cover. :o

Truth be told, it was a setup for what remains of my post.

Ike, if you think blacks are treated anything like the way they were when I was kid you are either a kid, or an idiot, or both.

Now we see the violent desires driving your ideology. Come see the violent desires driving his ideology!