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bobabode 04-04-2017 02:01 PM

Assad Gasses Syrians - Spicer Blames Obama
 
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/04/politi...d-trump-obama/

I can't even...:mad:

MrPots 04-04-2017 04:48 PM

10 bucks says it was american companies that supplied the chemical weapons they used.

Chicks 04-04-2017 04:54 PM

Sen McCain sets the record straight.

barbara 04-04-2017 05:34 PM

Spicer really blamed Obama?!!


This administration is just crazy.

MrPots 04-04-2017 07:41 PM

Deflection, Trump himself has sole responsibility for this massacre.

"The attack came five days after the Trump administration signaled that the Syrian dictator would not be held accountable for the slaughter of his people.

The Trump administration said Bashar al-Assad could remain in power -- a reversal of Obama-era policy that said Assad had to go."


Trump is a snake, a filthy nasty evil snake.

icenine 04-04-2017 11:27 PM

Trump opposed Obama interfering in 2013 after the nerve gas attack in numerous tweets.

Of course when Obama asked for Congressional approval for intervention the GOP was a paragon of integrity by refusing to vote for or against a red line declaration or approval of retaliation.

Of course that makes it all the easier to blame Obama.

I guess since Assad and Russia are allies they won't face anything from Trump.

Rajoo 04-05-2017 05:46 AM

President Trump’s Real-World Syria Lesson
Quote:

So, last week, someone named “Rex Tillerson” (who, I am told, is the U.S. secretary of state) declared that the “longer-term status of President Assad will be decided by the Syrian people” — as if the Syrian people will be having an Iowa-like primary on that subject soon. U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley made the same point even more cravenly, telling reporters that the United States’ “priority is no longer to sit there and focus on getting Assad out.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/05/o...sson.html?_r=0

bobabode 04-06-2017 04:16 PM

Trump weighing military options following chemical weapons attack in Syria
 
"The Pentagon is in the process of presenting options to the White House on potential military responses, which could include strikes on Syrian military targets and actions designed to ground the Syrian air force.
Senior White House officials met on the topic Wednesday evening in a session that lasted into early Thursday, and Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Army Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, the national security adviser, have communicated repeatedly about the issue since Tuesday’s attack, the officials said.
[Deadly nerve agent sarin used in Syria attack, Turkish Health Ministry says]
The Joint Chiefs of Staff were expected to meet early Thursday evening to discuss potential strike options, one military official said. One of the most likely is Tomahawk missiles launched from Navy ships in the Mediterranean Sea." WP

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.bda8818c62e2

How soon does this spiral out of control?

barbara 04-06-2017 04:50 PM

Scary times with a mad man making the decision.

finnbow 04-06-2017 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barbara (Post 351866)
Scary times with a mad man making the decision.

A decision involving three crazy mofo's - Trump, Putin and Assad. Trump's back channel to Putin is probably inquiring which symbolic Syrian target Putin is OK with Trump hitting with a cruise missile.

MrPots 04-06-2017 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barbara (Post 351866)
Scary times with a mad man making the decision.

Indeed.....

nailer 04-07-2017 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 351770)
Trump opposed Obama interfering in 2013 after the nerve gas attack in numerous tweets.

Of course when Obama asked for Congressional approval for intervention the GOP was a paragon of integrity by refusing to vote for or against a red line declaration or approval of retaliation.

Of course that makes it all the easier to blame Obama.

I guess since Assad and Russia are allies they won't face anything from Trump.

Guess again. http://www.economist.com/news/middle...ashar-al-assad

donquixote99 04-07-2017 10:36 AM

Just more evidence that Trumps previous sayings never offer more than the slightest clues to what he will do.

whell 04-07-2017 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 351905)
Just more evidence that Trumps previous sayings never offer more than the slightest clues to what he will do.

And in this particular case that's a good thing.

Dondilion 04-07-2017 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 351905)
Just more evidence that Trumps previous sayings never offer more than the slightest clues to what he will do.

That is something for little Mr. N. Korea to ponder.

Chicks 04-07-2017 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 351905)
Just more evidence that Trumps previous sayings never offer more than the slightest clues to what he will do.

He ain't a deep thinker, that's certain. I'm guessing someone on Fox & Friends agreed with Hillary, which triggered Trump's reaction.

sheltiedave 04-07-2017 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 351906)
And in this particular case that's a good thing.

Not really.

For the leading superpower, a steady hand that telegraphs a sane philosophy works better than a philosophy of

we have your back and will stay away from you, until we level an airfield. THEN you will know you pissed us off.

Trump just spent $69 MILLION to obliterate one airport. That is not the wisest of military decisions in the ongoing Syrian quagmire.

Dondilion 04-07-2017 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheltiedave (Post 351913)
Not really.

For the leading superpower, a steady hand that telegraphs a sane philosophy works better than a philosophy of

we have your back and will stay away from you, until we level an airfield. THEN you will know you pissed us off.

Trump just spent $69 MILLION to obliterate one airport. That is not the wisest of military decisions in the ongoing Syrian quagmire.

Is he responsible for the price of weapons?

I thought expensive is a characteristic of our weaponry.

The fact is Assad had to be answered.

And there is no way to obliterate an airport on the cheap using our weapons...probably using Chinese but they are famous for fake parts.

donquixote99 04-07-2017 03:01 PM

It's an open question how obliterated the airbase is, btw. Let's be careful of indulging in a vicarious thrill of 'Hulk Smash!' May not be the case.

Here's some footage. Not reliably comprehensive.

https://youtu.be/Ow5Ux17YKdM

sheltiedave 04-07-2017 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 351915)
Is he responsible for the price of weapons?
Yes, Trump is responsible for ordering the type of weapon and delivery system to be used. That is why he is Commander in Chief. Being CIC means being the boss.

I thought expensive is a characteristic of our weaponry.
We have a vast arsenal of all kinds of weaponry, from cheap to ridiculously expensive.

The fact is Assad had to be answered.
Assad had been handed a blank check by the Trump administration. This freedom allowed him carte blanche in Aleppo, and again here. Taking out a single airport when he has twenty more is not of significance.

And there is no way to obliterate an airport on the cheap using our weapons...probably using Chinese but they are famous for fake parts.
There are multiple ways to obliterate an airport, including on the cheap. Drones with C4, loss of four or five control towers vaporized, electrical substation removals, cookie cutters across the runways, RPGs/ and/or drone missiles taking out the next sortie of jets taking off at three or four military airports are all cheaper, and send a little more of a "boots on the ground" message.

Don't leave your blinders on.

MrPots 04-07-2017 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheltiedave (Post 351913)
Not really.

For the leading superpower, a steady hand that telegraphs a sane philosophy works better than a philosophy of

we have your back and will stay away from you, until we level an airfield. THEN you will know you pissed us off.

Trump just spent $69 MILLION to obliterate one airport. That is not the wisest of military decisions in the ongoing Syrian quagmire.

What a shallow gesture, after trying to ban Syrian refugees from entering the country. He doesn't give a shit about the people gassed, he's paying back his campaign donors.

Rajoo 04-07-2017 05:34 PM

This attack on Syria is probably to deflect attention away from his Russia connection.
It will have the staying power of a week at best while emboldening the terrorists. And the Russia investigation will continue, just the noise will be muted for a few days.

MrPots 04-07-2017 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 351920)
This attack on Syria is probably to deflect attention away from his Russia connection.
It will have the staying power of a week at best while emboldening the terrorists. And the Russia investigation will continue, just the noise will be muted for a few days.

Yup.

Trump...what an asshole. He and his republican bastards are working feverishly to throw americans off health insurance and cut programs aimed at helping the poor while he pretends to be concerned about the welfare of the Syrians. Republicans don't give a shit about poor people much less poor foreigners.

This is all an expensive deflection, but what does trump care about wasting tax dollars. He doesn't pay taxes.....

Pio1980 04-07-2017 06:59 PM

I would prefer to think that this was not a showboat deflection, but it's hard to believe the idiot in chief on much of anything, given his cavelier relationship with veracity.

sheltiedave 04-07-2017 07:44 PM

And with the corrected number of Tomahawks, the price tag is now just under $84 million.

Rajoo 04-07-2017 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 351924)
I would prefer to think that this was not a showboat deflection, but it's hard to believe the idiot in chief on much of anything, given his cavelier relationship with veracity.

If this was truly a calculated response, he should have consulted the congress, just like his predecessor President Obama did. There was really no need for a quick strike and the fact it was makes it look very suspicious. In fact I am having a hard time believing otherwise. The disastrous attack on Iraq which eventually gave rise to ISIS should have been a warning that it is not worth expense of lobbing missiles anywhere in the middle east.

IIRC an ISIS spokesman called Trump an idiot earlier this week and this was Trumps way of saying FU.

Pio1980 04-07-2017 10:17 PM

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/04/do...s-dont-believe

Pio1980 04-07-2017 10:23 PM

Wagging the dog?
http://politi.co/2o6RmRS

Pio1980 04-08-2017 12:19 PM

What would Russia's support for Assad cost Vladimir Putin?

http://aje.io/sluc

nailer 04-12-2017 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheltiedave (Post 351925)
And with the corrected number of Tomahawks, the price tag is now just under $84 million.

A mere pittance in the grand scheme of empire.

Rajoo 04-12-2017 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nailer (Post 352152)
A mere pittance in the grand scheme of empire.

My CPA who is also a close friend calls this a minor accounting adjustment. :D


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