Tillerson plans to skip NATO
 

Or is it Dasvidaniya NATO?


Carl

Sooooo..is Mar a Lago the new white house?

No. Just telling the French, Brits and especially the Germans that it is their time to take the lead in Europe. Uncle Sam needs a rest.

US taxpayers 3 million a week above and beyond because Camp David isn't elite enough, I meant good enough.:rolleyes:

Carl

Now that is funny and I guess I am supposed to believe stuff like that from Agent Orange, Liar-In-Chief. If so, then maybe it is time for the EU to say FU to the USA. :)


Carl

Carl, Uncle Sam has been carrying the load for a long time and Germany is doing quite well.

So?


Carl

At least it should step up to the agreed 2%GDP.

Does not sound like a rest to me.
So are we switching alliances now that Warsaw Pact is dead, because that's what it is beginning to look like. May be there will be a remake of 'Russians are coming".

Reminds me of my Politifact visit the other day. Vast sums of money...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...owes-vast-sum/

Orange you glad I didn't say Apple again? :D


Carl

A talking-point that makes no sense at all. Trump isn't planning a rest--adding $50 billion to the defense budget is a rest?

Trump just does not believe in international cooperation in general, and someone seems to have secured his opposition to NATO in particular....

The real statement is that the old guard is still focusing on Russia, when in fact Russia is a weak state. Russia in no way can compete with the US.

The country that is punching the US with soft power in every corner of the globe is China.

The old guard and One World Order boys are mad because they tried to control, balkanized Russia and failed.

Needs a rest from a wealthy Europe. Let The Germans take the lead in their area is solid argument.

It's still thinking in metaphors. The US is not a big person who needs a rest. The question is whether we want to continue to support Western Europe, or are we deciding they are not so important to us.

Policy is not driven by fatigue or other feelings!

China is very much dependent on their trade with the US. If we devalue the USD, we can send their economy into a tail spin, which is why they keep buying our treasury notes.

Russia OTOH can cause serious damage to western political arena as they have done in helping install Tweeter Don here in the US as president. Germany and France are already weary of Russia and have stepped up their vigilance.

The fact is that they can easily support themselves.

It's an alliance and one does not just walk away.

Do you really want European nations building up their militaries to much higher levels, with an eye to being able to deter Russia without American support? Can you think of any possible downsides to this rearmament?

Have you checked the places where the Chinese have out maneuvered/replaced the US in trade and economics and are installing long term soft power. e.g Africa, Australia. China has a One Belt, One Road initiative which has one of its aim--the out punching of the US.

Germany has self inflicted with open borders and France's colonial legacy came home. Now they are shouting Russia!

You really believe that BS that the Russians installed Trump. Harry Reid certainly does not.

Trump came to power largely because the Republic rank and file became fed up with its established leaders, and also because of the magnificent work done by the Republicans in gerrymandering. (The Dems went to sleep)

You cannot use Russia to explain 3 million popular win yet losing the electoral college.

The point is not 'Russia gave Trump the win." That is hard to prove or disprove. The margin in Penn/Mich/Wis was razor thin. Flip any factor you can think of, and those states could have flipped.

The point is, Russia tried. That's more than bad enough.

And exactly what does this have to do with Europe carrying its own weight in our alliance against the Russians? Time for Europe to take care of its own backyard.

How is American military might in Europe going to prevent Russia from interfering with our elections? Didn't stop them in 2016.

You figure it out.

Nobody is walking away. We would like the Europeans to take on leadership and bear more of the expense.

Look this was all settled in NATO and the U.S. must have agreed, the smaller NATO countries and the U.S. have agreed on a timeline for them to reach the 2% figure. That we are at 3% or above is simply our MIC ensuring their profits and that is why we overspend on defense. It has nowt to do with protecting the EU.

Now, Trump is personally attending the NATO summit. That ought to smooth things over.:rolleyes:

America's most embarrassing clown attending NATO huh?

Well, our credibility was already in the toilet anyway.

Germany’s faith in the US has taken a nosedive since the election of Donald Trump with the country viewing their longtime ally as trustworthy as Russia, a new poll has found.

Just 22 per cent of respondents trusted the US under its new leader – compared with 59 per cent just before the November election.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7562276.html

OK! The Russia noise is a ruse to feed the MIC.


Conventional war fare terms.

Russia GDP about that of Italy.
Russia 145 million population.

Conventionally the Eu can easily contain/repel Russia...they do not need the US.

All they need is US nuclear clout.

However some are also trying to hustle the US. The presence of US soldiers and base helps the local economy. :D

Knowing that they are dealing with a notorious proven untrustworthy bullshitter.

Rex Tillerson: 'I didn't want this job … my wife told me I'm supposed to do this'
Now we know why he does not want to go, he is a reluctant SOS. Wonder how DT is going to react to this, probably claim that Tillerson begged him for the job.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-want-this-job

I had no idea dishonesty was contagious. The ex-CEO of the most profitable corporation in the history of the world is scapegoating his wife for accepting the job of Secretary Of State? He hasn't been kicked to the curb by Mr. Yourfired, Liar-In-ChiefOTUS?
Wow, this Trump Administration thing is getting really bizarre. :eek:


Carl

If he wasn't a whack job he wouldn't have taken a job offer from Trump. Period. Applies to any and all of them.

Really? Ask the folks on Okinawa about how beneficial it is having our troops there. I sure as hell would not want to live there if I had young daughters.

You are fooled by the volume of yelling they do about a tiny few sex crimes. There seems to be something (a hit and run or a sex crime) every two or three years. Not quite a crime wave.

I have no doubt the number of incidents with US personnel is dwarfed by 'domestic' incidents, on this island with 1.4 million inhabitants. INHO it is racist xenophobia on the part of the Japanese that makes each case 1000x horrible for them.

see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...s_Forces_Japan

I have a bad feeling about this.

In other words, it doesn't and it won't.

What does this have to do with devaluing the dollar,starting an economic war with China and putting our economy in the tank?

Not a Friedman fan here.

Milton, I assume, and not Kinky.

Thomas, the NYT columnist. Not a fan of the economist either. On the other hand, Kinky's private detective tales are a trip. :)