Cynical, Self-Defeating Spectacle
 

This one phrase defines perfectly the behavior I've seen from the "disloyal opposition" since the election. I can't claim the phrase: it was used here in describing MSNBC's idiocy with the "reveal" of Trump's tax return....from 2005!

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/...spectacle.html

Its amazing the depths that folks have sunk. Its one thing to protest and appropriately voice opposition. Its quite another thing to ratchet that up to throwing anything you can find at the wall to see if it will stick. The "Russia thing" has been an on-going example of continuing to report on a non-story. Looks like MSNBC wants to take the Prez's tax returns in that same direction.

It's hilarious how the tax thing so spectacularly and completely backfired. Not only did this remind me of Geraldo Rivera's idiotic televised venture into Al Capone's vaults, but it also continued to demonstrate the grand hypocrisy of the left. The left loves to demonize the rich as greedy folks who don't pay their taxes. Yet we find Trump - at one point accused of not paying taxes - paid taxes at a higher rate than MSNBC/Comcast (24%), higher than Obama (18.7%), and higher than Chuck Schumer (11.3%).

Just perfect, poetic justice.

Just a deflection, I figured it was Kelly Ann's work. It is lame enough, Michele and Sarah must be real proud. Yep, it is as phony and disingenuous any other stunt our POTUS has ever done.


Carl

I have a one word answer for you, Benghazi. How many years, how many millon$ and how many hearings was it?

If you really believe there is nothing behind the Russian connections why did Flynn resign and Sessions recuse himself, especially with both the Senate and the House under GOP control?

As for Trump and taxes, nothing is really known except this one leaked two page return which I believe was leaked by team Trump. There was an earlier leaked one too. If all is up and up, why the non-disclosure?

It's like asking me to trust a crook because he has not been caught.

Quite different, actually, so yours is a false analogy.

The difference here, if course, is that Obama, Clinton and Rice lied about Benghazi for weeks afterward, so they own that one.

The "lying" about Trump's taxes or the campaign's "affiliation with the Russians" isn't coming from the White House. The folks keeping those story alive is the left and their friends in the media. They own those stories as well.

I bet HRC released those 2 useless 1040 pages as a deflection for Ryan's Medi-Kill bill. :rolleyes:

It does have Trump's signature "all fluff and no stuff" though.


Carl

Really? Then why weren't they prosecuted?
The entire Benghazi hearings was a GOP charade orchestrated by Issa.

And as far a lying goes....wonder you even brought up that word.

BTW, don't you think it's suspicious that just one two page tax return was leaked?

LOL! :p

A culture of paranoia is consuming the Trump administration, with staffers increasingly preoccupied with perceived enemies — inside their own government.

In interviews, nearly a dozen White House aides and federal agency staffers described a litany of suspicions: that rival factions in the administration are trying to embarrass them, that civil servants opposed to President Donald Trump are trying to undermine him, and even that a “deep state” of career military and intelligence officials is out to destroy them.

Aides are going to great lengths to protect themselves. They’re turning off work-issued smartphones and putting them in drawers when they arrive home from work out of fear that they could be used to eavesdrop. They’re staying mum in meetings out of concern that their comments could be leaked to the press by foes.

Many are using encrypted apps that automatically delete messages once they’ve been read, or are leaving their personal cellphones at home in case their bosses initiate phone checks of the sort that press secretary Sean Spicer deployed last month to try to identify leakers on his team.

It’s an environment of fear that has hamstrung the routine functioning of the executive branch. Senior advisers are spending much of their time trying to protect turf, key positions have remained vacant due to a reluctance to hire people deemed insufficiently loyal, and Trump’s ambitious agenda has been eclipsed by headlines surrounding his unproven claim that former President Barack Obama tapped his phone lines at Trump Tower during the 2016 campaign.

One senior administration aide, who like most others interviewed for this story spoke on the condition of anonymity, said the degree of suspicion had created a toxicity that is unsustainable.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...aranoia-236069

There are powerful anti Russians in both parties.

Flynn and Sessions got caught reacting to the anti Russian atmosphere.

And then there is Trump who would expose himself as a Russian agent if he actually did release his actual and complete 1040's. :)


Carl

It seems Trump scored a point with his distracting leak last night. Good for him. Then dawn broke and he still has multiple shit-storms to face.

Really. Or do you saying that you fervently believe that the deaths of the State Dept employees were the result of a YouTube video?

This from the guy who demands that Trump release his tax returns....:rolleyes:

Yawn...another misdirection ploy from derp Trumpenfurher that fell flat on it's face. :rolleyes:

The more I think about this, the more it smells. I think the using MSNBC really does go to show this is all a sham.


Carl

MSNBC made a spectacle...it was a drawn out hustle.

Rachel Maddow fell for an obvious setup on Trump's tax return.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...eturn-n2299410

So are you claiming that Hillary caused the deaths of these State Department employees?

Why not Vladimir is out to destabilize all of Europe.

Europe has destabilized itself.

Is Vlad responsible for moving over a million Poles, Lithuanians, Romanians into England and Wales in a short space of time?

Did Vlad shout to the world that Germany is open and welcoming to all and sundry and then when the folly became apparent decided to pay a bribe to Erdogan?

Did Vlad tell the Swedes to accept so many Muslims and then put them in segregated housing and bar them from Union jobs?

The Belgians and French exercise distinct housing segregation for their large Muslim population which leads to a long festering resentment and recurring riots. Not Vlad's fault.

Vlad is not responsible for Germany's rigidity with regards to Spain, Portugal and Greece. A regime of austerity has destabilized, marginalized that section of Europe. Yeah Vlad sold the hapless Greeks German tanks. :D

Yeah Vlad is responsible for open borders and One World Order.
Europeans, especially the left, have created a long term problem for themselves

It is a good thing to be anti-Russian in the sense of opposing the Putin government and his policies. I mean if you are pro-Putin you are for a man who has had opponents killed in cold blood.

Not the point, and you didn't answer / avoided my question. So, I'll ask it again:

Do you believe that a video on YouTube caused the violence in Libya that resulted in the death of State Dept employees, or do you believe that Clinton/Rice et al lied about when they blamed the violence on the video?

At this point, what difference does it make?;)

Yes and no. Happy now? :rolleyes:

I guess he must be using drones.

Putin got his Rep the same way the Clintons got theirs...by excessively repeating accusations.

The World One Order boys are aggressively anti Putin, because he has successfully prevented them from taking over Russia...a huge part of mother earth.

Well Whell, if you want to talk about cynical and self defeating, what was your reaction to the Trump government generated estimates that 26 million people will lose their insurance under Trumpcare?

When is a "loss" not a "loss"? If the state of Michigan decides that I don't have to carry auto insurance anymore, and I decide to cancel my auto insurance policy, did I "lose" my health insurance?

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/13/cbo-s...placement.html

Much of the reduction in the number of people who have health coverage next year would result from the bill's proposed repeal of Obamacare's individual mandate, which requires most Americans to have insurance of some form or face a tax penalty.

So, not surprisingly, the media reports have had a laser - like focus on the top-line number, and the hell with the details.

Uh, no. You'd lose your auto insurance.:confused:

It takes an avowed know-nothing to infer that it's a good thing if people choose not to have health insurance. Health insurance only works if younger, healthier people enroll and pay premiums that help to care for older people. It has always been thus. Secondly, uninsured people become freeloaders who show up at emergency rooms when they're sick or injured at get care at the expense of those who do have insurance, not a great deal unlike uninsured motorists who get into wrecks and live insured motorists holding the bag. Ahhh, freedom.:rolleyes:

Do you get thrown in jail if you get cancer and don't have health insurance? Nope, you die. After you go bankrupt.

Quit spitting out non sequiturs, Whell, car insurance is in no shape, manner, or form health insurance. They are completely different beasts altogether, and we all know it. You are playing the bright shiny object game here.

Over 60% of private declared bankruptcies in the US are due to medical bills. I would wager close to 50% of the people who frequent this forum would be bankrupt within a year without medical insurance, and 10% of us would die within a year without paid access to professional healthcare.

Like it or not, what Trump is offering is not a free market choice, but pushing the most vulnerable people in society right out into the cold winter night of no medical insurance. No amount of wordsmithing can change these facts.

Why the hell would we want it?

Guys why are you wasting good bandwidth arguing with this robot?

I am just practicing lines for tonight's fish fry, Rob. We have a few ultraconservatives that sit at our table, and I know how they will positively glow at the prospect of dumping all these poor bloodsucking leaches off their hardworking backs and wallets.

The rich irony is these conversations will take place in a Catholic cafeteria, during Lent, at an event supporting the church, and emulating in small part the life of faith of Jesus.

This is merely part of our voyage through Conrad's "The Heart of Darkness."

Trump is the very embodiment of the sermon on the mount, what an endorsement of Christianity.

Ask The Harvard Boys.

https://www.thenation.com/article/ha...oys-do-russia/

Now you might understand why both Florence and me left the Church - or rather to be exact the Church left us. Matthew 6:5-8.:rolleyes:

Exactly, just another great big hole in the ground into which you can pour endless amounts of money. Met a few imported brides and while they are very pleasant and of course quite lovely, they did not flee the place for no reason and were not shy about saying so. I don't doubt that even in my advanced years but that I could persuade one to marry me. It would be a good life and she would have it pretty soft. :)

Take a step or two back and the answers are no and yes.

The Catholic Church is a very conservative organization.

If you strip the Greek hero god away, Jesus of Nazareth's message is radical given who his followers were.

Are you describing yourself, Finn? Or are you attempting your time-honored tradition of putting words in other people's mouths? Nowhere did I attempt to attach "good" or "bad" to the CBO numbers.

My comment was simply that the CBO counts an individual decision to terminate coverage as a "loss" of coverage. That's not a loss. Its a decision. And the media's laser like focus on the top line number without focusing on that critical detail serves the purpose of distorting the facts: suggesting that once the AHCA passes, folks are going to start getting dropped by their health insurance carrier. Typical lefty media BS.

Now, if you don't understand that, choose not to understand that (which you could then possibly spin as a "loss" of understanding) or are unable to discern important details, that's on you.

Really? You've seen the future impact of the law, and you can tell that folks are going to be pushed " right out into the cold winter night of no medical insurance"?

Pretty flipping amazing, Dave. With that kind of ability to foresee the future, I bet your stock portfolio is amazing (or course, you're probably now putting money down on North Face stock, 'cuz all those folks out in the cold are gonna need winter coats), and you're at the track every night bettering on the horses. :rolleyes:

Get with the program! Now repeat after me: America/NATO good, Russia bad, America/NATO good, Russia bad, America/NATO good, Russia bad, America/NATO good, Russia bad ...