Reckless Accusation a High Crime or Misdemeanor?
 

FBI Director Comey is doing an odd thing: asking the Justice Department to deny that there were wiretaps as alleged by Trump, instead of denying it himself. Probably relates to Trump being a sitting president, while Hillary Clinton, one week before the election, wasn't.

Trump calls for a congressional investigation. I agree. I'd like the House to investigate whether this reckless libel against the previous President, this blatant huge lie, itself rises to the level of a 'high crime or misdemeanor.'

To which alleged libel of Obama are you referring?

Libel is a civil court issue, not congressional.

Or, he might have knowledge that someone at Justice was involved in such a request, and wants to shift the focus there.

Paranoia? Libel or slander? Free speech?

Treason? Any crime at all?

Unbelievably poor judgement and or BS from Trump. More of the same old Trump. Should there be any consequences? For a normal person? How about because he is president?


Rambling thoughts before my first cup of coffee. Good morning all.

I think a 'high crime or misdemeanor' is whatever the Congress says it is. This would be a misdemeanor. Ordinarily, of course, a libel is a tort, not a crime, but we can call this 'malicious mischief.'

What makes it 'high' is who did it, and who they accused.

Bottom line is we can't have a president who goes around acting like this.

we can hope he steps into a bear trap like nixon did.

The question has arisen whether Trump and his confederates have had significant and consequential contact with Russian interests before, during, and after the election that either

-involved any type of conspiracy to influence the outcome of the election
-involved any type of negotiation regarding sanctions prior to Trump being sworn in
-involved any type of financial or governmental illegality with Russia.

Seeing that Trump can ask Congress and the Senate to fire up an investigative committee and any hour of any day of any week re. Wiretaps, with every apparatus being under Republican aegis, I find his baying at the moon on Twitter to be both repugnant and oddly counterproductive. He probably will get his investigations, and create a very large and divisive Republican faction opposed to Trump's Russian pogrom.

There's been plenty of "reckless accusation".

All of it against Trump.

I would categorize a good 80% of the posts on this forum to fall under that category.

Is it reckless to ask for an independent investigation of activities between the Trump camp and the Russians?

So they will investigate it 30 times and come up with nothing. Meanwhile the nations business will stagnate. This is how out government works.

Regardless of your bottom line, Trump is our President.

That makes us the laughingstock of the world.

Yes.

I am convinced that the Trump/Russian connection is a ridiculous conspiracy cooked up by the Deep State to undermine Trump.

With the laughter likely to be superseded at any time by more bitter emotion, both here and abroad.

Regarding your respect, I fart in your general direction. :D

^^^ Ain't that America.

What everyone needs to ponder, what will be the issue or issues that finally brings The Donald down? With the many up to this point, none being fatal. Just what is it going to take? How serious?

Also "Team Trump" realizes they can never withstand scrutiny by a Democratic party control of one, House Senate or Supreme Court. They are having enough trouble now with the Fourth Estate. So we all should be concerned with the steps needed to retain their present status.


Barney

How are we to know if you're really convinced of that, or if you just want to say it for some reason?

Steve Martin.

As fast as the different accusations and screw ups occur, it will be hard to maintain any continuity with any investigation that could lead to his removal. If the pressure is on, he spouts off about something else, thus diverting attention from the current pile of s**t. The last time I looked(it has been a little while) vegas had 16:1 odds he will not make a full year before removal.

Convinced based on what?
Flynn resigned, or was he actually fired? Either way why.
Sessions recused himself and why if he is not culpable?
I am more than suspicious that the Russians meddled in our election, question remains why.

What Russia gets from Trump:

1. No US opposition in Syria.
2. No US opposition in Ukraine
3. No US action to support European 'allies.'
4. Possible US action vs Iran.
5. U.S. economy crippled by irrational trade policies.
6. US politically crippled by internal unrest.

That's just for starters.

1) Anyone really wants to US to get mix up in Syria?

2) Ukraine is now run by right wing bandits. The Central Government has very limited power. It is a Frankenstein state.

3) Trump's call for the wealthy Europeans to help themselves (2%GDP) has engendered European defense spending.

5)Trump needs no Russian help in this regard. There is enough local consensus.

6) US is a vibrant democracy.

I was thinking John Mellencamp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=malnd19Ttyk

My gut.

All 41 inches of it :)

He had all that with Obama.

Then he should have supported Clinton, instead of Trump.

This country really does not have libel laws.

That's right. Now it is known as defamation, which encompasses both libel and slander.

Sean Spicer completely cleared up things about Trump's allegations. He wouldn't say whether Trump had personally seen evidence of a wire tap; whether he relied on Breitbart news to inform him; whether he was accusing Obama of breaking the law; or whether he would accept the results of a congressional investigation of the matter.

So how did he clear it up? "I'm just going to let the tweet speak for itself."

I wouldn't put it past Obama to have done this.

Not after the way he colluded with the Clintons and the DNC to steal the nomination from Bernie.

With all the resources of the United States government at his disposal
he certainly had the means to do it too, and cover his tracks so that it could never be proven unless someone on the inside blew the whistle. An act that would be virtually suicidal for whoever did it.

Unreal crap from beginning to end. The nomination was not stolen from Bernie, Bernie didn't have the primary votes, and nothing would have gotten him enough.

All the resources of the government are not at the President's disposal, as long as rule of law is fundamentally holding. There have been no credible accusations that anything else was the case in the Obama administration, anytime, anywhere.

And that suicide crack is a true alt-right imaginary truth type accusation, based on nothing by defamatory bullshit.

BTW, I know you will pooh-pooh my counter-arguments. You're not here to listen to reason. But i wanted them out anyway.

You are being intentionally obtuse. President Obama has already made an official statement denying this and if untrue, the current administration can easily verify it and challenge him. Don't hold your breath, none forthcoming.

Besides FBI Director and Clinton nemesis Comey has gone on record asking the Justice Department to reject Trump's wiretapping claim, a very unusual request. So he must be totally sure that there is absolutely nothing there.

This is just a stupid childish attempt by Trump to distract the media to keep his Russian connection off the front pages.

You're as delusional as your Trumpenfuhrer.

Do you really believe he has a choice?

Time for an Avatar change? :)

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I am re-energized. :D