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Tom Joad 02-10-2017 06:47 PM

‘Draft Bernie For A People’s Party’
 
I would love to see this come to fruition.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...=1486690360145

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Since the presidential election, there has been a remarkable exodus from the Democratic Party. More than 14 million people have left and become independents. That represents a loss of nearly 20 percent of the party’s following from early November. The number of Democrats has fallen to a historic low. So low that Republicans now outnumber Democrats in a progressive country.

Despite Bernie Sanders’ monumental endeavor to bring people into the Democratic Party, people are leaving it by the millions. The collective efforts to reform the party cannot stem the tide of people who are going independent, let alone expand the Democratic base.

At a time when Americans are leaving the establishment parties in record numbers, progressives shouldn’t be swimming against the populist current in a fruitless attempt to save the corporate party that created this mess.

MrPots 02-10-2017 06:57 PM

Stealing my "Party of the people" idea are ya? ;)

Bernie cannot do it by himself, politicians are corrupted all the way down to the local level. Round them all up and get rid of them and install actual non partisan citizens to govern and there might be a chance of a peoples party actually working and representing the people.

68custom 02-10-2017 07:16 PM

sounds good in theory but the Bern ain't no spring chicken me thinks...
might need to staple him to a couple of those spring chickens!

bobabode 02-10-2017 07:31 PM

Want to reduce the Democratic party to a regional paper tiger? Keep infighting amongst ourselves with your obstinate demands of purity and unicorns.

Y'all might as well just hand the fuckin' keys to the 'Pubbies and fuck off into irrelevance. :p

Rajoo 02-10-2017 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 347387)
Want to reduce the Democratic party to a regional paper tiger? Keep infighting amongst ourselves with your obstinate demands of purity and unicorns.

Y'all might as well just hand the fuckin' keys to the 'Pubbies and fuck off into irrelevance. :p

Or follow the likes of Pelosi and Schumer and fall off a cliff? No.
Cheating has its consequences.

Bob at the next elections do you actually believe that the Dem Party will gain any more seats in congress? :rolleyes:

Better to breakaway now than to follow these idiots that actually thought that H--> was a slam dunk. Just the fact that they had to rig the primaries and scare away any competition should tell you that she was probably on shaky ground to begin with.

Now if you chime in with the popular vote count, CA probably accounted for all of that and she didn't even have to campaign here. So let's do away with Hillary won the popular vote unless it's to irritate Trump. ;)

bobabode 02-10-2017 08:57 PM

Grow up, Raj. :p

Tom Joad 02-11-2017 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 347387)
Want to reduce the Democratic party to a regional paper tiger? Keep infighting amongst ourselves with your obstinate demands of purity and unicorns.

"Obstinate demands for purity and unicorns"

Yeah, how ridiculous of us to think that we can have the same goddamned things that most of Western Europe has.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 347387)
Y'all might as well just hand the fuckin' keys to the 'Pubbies and fuck off into irrelevance. :p

That's exactly what you and your ilk have done.

Tom Joad 02-11-2017 08:03 AM

This is exactly what I had hoped Trump's election would bring about.

And it's why I am glad Trump won.

It's what this country needs, and it certainly would have never happened under Hillary. At least with Trump at the helm we have a chance.

I know it's just in the talking stages now, but that gives me hope.

Rajoo 02-11-2017 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 347392)
Grow up, Raj. :p

Tell you what, I promise to grow up if you promise to get smart. ;)

And as some of us have been hoping,

A new, liberal tea party is forming. Can it last without turning against Democrats?

They are still getting organized but they do know who their enemies are.
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There have been some signs of liberal disgruntlement toward Democratic leaders. Pelosi and Schumer (D-N.Y.) were jeered by some in a crowd of more than 1,000 that showed up at the Supreme Court two weeks ago to protest Trump’s executive order travel ban. Marchers showed up outside Schumer’s home in Brooklyn, demanding he “filibuster everything” and complaining that he supported Trump’s Cabinet members involved in national security.
Just remember I will never support a party that you and Ice are members of. I like to win and I don't cheat. :D

https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.0e8468d65b3c

bobabode 02-12-2017 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 347476)
Tell you what, I promise to grow up if you promise to get smart. ;)

And as some of us have been hoping,

A new, liberal tea party is forming. Can it last without turning against Democrats?

They are still getting organized but they do know who their enemies are.


Just remember I will never support a party that you and Ice are members of. I like to win and I don't cheat. :D

https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.0e8468d65b3c

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Adams_1969.JPG

ZeroJunk 02-12-2017 08:23 AM

Cool. We could be just like Cuba.

Pio1980 02-12-2017 11:29 AM

We're on the way, with someone who becomes the tyrannical dictator without the ability to function as a proper administrator.

Dondilion 02-12-2017 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 347476)
Tell you what, I promise to grow up if you promise to get smart. ;)

And as some of us have been hoping,

A new, liberal tea party is forming. Can it last without turning against Democrats?

They are still getting organized but they do know who their enemies are.


Just remember I will never support a party that you and Ice are members of. I like to win and I don't cheat. :D

https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.0e8468d65b3c

Thanks for the link Raj.
Interesting to note the helping hand of Plan Parenthood and Indivisible Guide at raucous town hall meetings.

Now to answer the question: The new liberal tea party will further isolate the Democrats from the hinterland and will burn their (Democrats) traditional leaders.

Rajoo 02-12-2017 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 347571)
Thanks for the link Raj.
Interesting to note the helping hand of Plan Parenthood and Indivisible Guide at raucous town hall meetings.

Now to answer the question: The new liberal tea party will further isolate the Democrats from the hinterland and will burn their (Democrats) traditional leaders.

For now I am not so sure. Money trumps ideology in politics, the TP had Koch bros., who will fund a new Progressive Party. I am hoping some of the tech billionaires since they tend to be fiercely independent and don't need the wealth.
And the Democratic Party is rotten to the core and will use every dirty trick in the book, a la Putin. Sorry couldn't resist. :D

If we have an identifiable leader say like Bernie, we can self fund. But Bernie is tainted and Warren is still tethered to DNC. Needs to be someone new and younger IMO and there is no one yet.

Tom Joad 02-12-2017 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 347536)
Cool. We could be just like Cuba.

What we could be is just like Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, etc. and that's what I'm committed to working towards.

icenine 02-12-2017 05:14 PM

Conservatives should support Bernie thus insuring the failure of progressive concepts like single payer and a minimum wage. Bernie is just good for shooting the shit with Chuck Todd.

ZeroJunk 02-12-2017 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 347595)
Conservatives should support Bernie thus insuring the failure of progressive concepts like single payer and a minimum wage. Bernie is just good for shooting the shit with Chuck Todd.

I actually like single payer myself.

donquixote99 02-12-2017 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 347604)
I actually like single payer myself.

Keep voting Republican. They will certainly pass it someday. After all, the welfare of the common man is their heartfelt concern.

ZeroJunk 02-12-2017 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 347606)
Keep voting Republican. They will certainly pass it someday. After all, the welfare of the common man is their heartfelt concern.

Could be that the common man could consider his health his on responsibility rather than the government as well.

Rajoo 02-12-2017 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 347613)
Could be that the common man could consider his health his on responsibility rather than the government as well.

Too late for that, period.

Common man simply cannot afford healthcare since the entire system has been gamed. A self employed friend of mine stopped by today, he was paying $18K/yr for his and his wife's health insurance with 30% copay, and then they got dropped. He turned 60 and his wife is a bit younger.

So he retired (no more income & he is not wealthy), qualified for Obamacare and he is now paying $90 each a month.

MrPots 02-12-2017 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 347613)
Could be that the common man could consider his health his on responsibility rather than the government as well.

I'm sure most men feel that way. But few men, perhaps 1% of the population actually makes enough to pay for his own healthcare.

donquixote99 02-12-2017 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MrPots (Post 347647)
I'm sure most men feel that way. But few men, perhaps 1% of the population actually makes enough to pay for his own healthcare.

Actually, they might, if they paid into a fund for it starting at age 18. Of course, some would get into an expensive bout of cancer and run the fund dry late in life, and some would get into a bad car wreck at age 22 and be fucked, cost-wise as well as having a busted body.

Insurance, done right, has some advantages.

Pio1980 02-12-2017 09:42 PM

Freedom is the right to work your ass off and die penniless in the gutter of preventable/ curable disease or injury.
Is this a great country, or what?

ZeroJunk 02-13-2017 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MrPots (Post 347647)
I'm sure most men feel that way. But few men, perhaps 1% of the population actually makes enough to pay for his own healthcare.

Tell me about it. Cost me $23,000 last year. And, that was with insurance.

I was on Obamacare, but my wife got a job in the early summer and busted us out of the subsidy. So, I have to pay them $11,000 back because she made $20,000. Add, that to the $4851 that I paid for the Obamacre premium for 11 months. Then a supposedly routine colonoscopy except I lost 4 units of blood and it cost $35,000 to fix it. Of course, the doctor takes no responsibility for botching that. So, add another $6700 max out of pocket.

No, I have no problem with one payer, Medicare for everybody or whatever.

The way it is set up right now there is a disincentive to work unless you have employee insurance.

We do now with my wife's job which costs about $400 a month. But, we got clobbered last year.

Next year I will be on Medicare. Hate to wish my life a way, but I can't wait.

Tom Joad 02-16-2017 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 347691)
Tell me about it. Cost me $23,000 last year. And, that was with insurance.

I was on Obamacare, but my wife got a job in the early summer and busted us out of the subsidy. So, I have to pay them $11,000 back because she made $20,000. Add, that to the $4851 that I paid for the Obamacre premium for 11 months. Then a supposedly routine colonoscopy except I lost 4 units of blood and it cost $35,000 to fix it. Of course, the doctor takes no responsibility for botching that. So, add another $6700 max out of pocket.

No, I have no problem with one payer, Medicare for everybody or whatever.

The way it is set up right now there is a disincentive to work unless you have employee insurance.

We do now with my wife's job which costs about $400 a month. But, we got clobbered last year.

Next year I will be on Medicare. Hate to wish my life a way, but I can't wait.

Of course not. You'll sign up as soon as you are eligible, like 99% of everyone does because it's awesome. No need for a mandate like that piece of shit Obummercare.

Tom Joad 02-16-2017 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 347691)
Tell me about it. Cost me $23,000 last year. And, that was with insurance.

I was on Obamacare, but my wife got a job in the early summer and busted us out of the subsidy. So, I have to pay them $11,000 back because she made $20,000. Add, that to the $4851 that I paid for the Obamacre premium for 11 months. Then a supposedly routine colonoscopy except I lost 4 units of blood and it cost $35,000 to fix it. Of course, the doctor takes no responsibility for botching that. So, add another $6700 max out of pocket.

Obummercare is a piece of shit. I can't say that often enough.

http://progressivearmy.com/2017/02/1...ated-the-left/

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Programs like the Affordable Care Act live and die on manipulated numbers. They want me to celebrate that 90% of Americans have health insurance thanks to the ACA. But they also want me to ignore that around 40% of those people do not actually get the care they need because their premiums, deductibles, and copays are too high.


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