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Tom Joad 02-09-2017 03:13 PM

You Can’t Fight Trump Without Understanding The Anti-Globalization Movement
 
Actually why would I want to fight Trump?

I'm all for anti-Globalisation and anti-interventionism.

This is a lot of the reason why I see Trump as a better choice than Clinton would have been.

http://www.newslogue.com/debate/332/CaitlinJohnstone

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Trump, like Sanders, and like all progressives who are worth a damn, is an anti-globalist. He opposes the way multinational corporations and banks have used legislation, war, and predatory trade deals to subvert the needs of the nation to powerful elites who are not limited by or loyal to it. You cannot understand the Trump movement without understanding globalism and the anti-globalization movement, and most Democrats don’t. Anti-globalization was the crux of Trump’s entire campaign, and most liberals are still squealing about racism and sexism as the thing that got him elected. This is wrong, and the rank-and-file left will be unable to mount any meaningful grassroots counteroffensive until this changes.

I doubt any of the hyperventilating Democrats who are breathlessly gasping that Trump is the next Adolf Hitler have taken a moment to reflect on the fact that Hitler was not exactly the posterboy for non-interventionism. Trump has been advocating non-interventionism so extensively that some critics have been accusing him of isolationism, which, if you haven’t figured it out yet, is kind of the exact opposite of trying to conquer the world and make everyone look like Ryan Gosling. Non-interventionism happens to be an essential part of both the progressive and anti-globalist movements; if you support America’s policy of military interventionism and world-policing, you are not progressive, you are a war hawk like Clinton and Bush.

So get clear on where you stand. If you think the US should be invading other countries to advance corporatist interests, if you like the idea of trade deals that allow corporations to sue governments in private tribunals judged and decided by corporate lawyers if that government’s environmental regulations hurt corporate profits, if you’re fine with American jobs being shipped overseas to be done in sweat shops by people toiling under brutal conditions for pennies on the dollar to line some plutocrat’s pockets, if you’re fine with corporations being able to cripple unions by threatening to move the business to Mexico if workers demand a reasonable wage, if you approve of a few elites manipulating entire economies and rigging the way we feed ourselves and generate energy for their own benefit, then you’re a globalist, and you should support the Clintons and the Schumers and the Pelosis if you like the letter ‘D’ or the Bushes and McCains and Grahams if you prefer the letter ‘R’.

bobabode 02-09-2017 03:46 PM

Let me hear your balalaika ringin' out...:rolleyes:

Tom Joad 02-09-2017 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 347169)
Let me hear your balalaika ringin' out...:rolleyes:

And along comes Bob, the thread shittin DNC shill.

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/z...16d0709702.jpg

bobabode 02-09-2017 04:17 PM

Whine, whine, whine - spodiodeo. :rolleyes: When are you moving to St. Petersberg?

finnbow 02-09-2017 04:20 PM

Opposing globalization is like opposing gravity. Only dimwitted fools or Trump supporters (I think I just repeated myself) believe that we can turn back the hands of time to post-WWII America when we were the only intact industrial power in the world.

bobabode 02-09-2017 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 347176)
Opposing globalization is like opposing gravity. Only dimwitted fools or Trump supporters (I think I just repeated myself) believe that we can turn back the hands of time to post-WWII America when we were the only intact industrial power in the world.

Maybe that's why Trump wants to renew the nuclear arms race? Of course, he doesn't realize that America will be in smoking ruins along with every other nuclear power.

nailer 02-09-2017 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 347180)
Maybe that's why Trump wants to renew the nuclear arms race? Of course, he doesn't realize that America will be in smoking ruins along with every other nuclear power.

At least we and the rest of the world won't have to worry about Global Warming anymore thanks to Nuclear Winter.

Tom Joad 02-09-2017 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 347175)
When are you moving to St. Petersberg?

I don't know.

Maybe I will.

I was born and raised just a few miles up the road from there.

I miss the place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmpeBUXT5Rw

Rajoo 02-09-2017 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 347164)
Actually why would I want to fight Trump?

I'm all for anti-Globalisation and anti-interventionism.

This is a lot of the reason why I see Trump as a better choice than Clinton would have been.

http://www.newslogue.com/debate/332/CaitlinJohnstone

No one can prevent globalization unless you are in a command economy. High tariffs can make this more difficult but not impossible.

As for anti-interventionism, why does Trump want to spend even more for defense. We are not under attack from any foreign power, now or in any foreseeable future.

Better equipping the armed forces does not really help fighting terrorism either.

So Trump or Clinton, same difference. It's the mighty MIC and every Senator is beholden to them.

bobabode 02-09-2017 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 347194)
No one can prevent globalization unless you are in a command economy. High tariffs can make this more difficult but not impossible.

As for anti-interventionism, why does Trump want to spend even more for defense. We are not under attack from any foreign power, now or in any foreseeable future.

Better equipping the armed forces does not really help fighting terrorism either.

So Trump or Clinton, same difference. It's the mighty MIC and every Senator is beholden to them.

Even St. Berne? ;)

Tom Joad 02-09-2017 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 347194)
As for anti-interventionism, why does Trump want to spend even more for defense. We are not under attack from any foreign power, now or in any foreseeable future.

Peace through Firepower!:D

Tom Joad 02-09-2017 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 347196)
Even St. Berne? ;)

He was a rare exception, which is why the entire weight of the establishment was brought down upon him in order to insure the anointment of your Corporate Whore.

bobabode 02-09-2017 05:54 PM

Shouldn't you be over at Blightfarts or Russian Times with your girlfriend Caitlin?

Dondilion 02-09-2017 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 347199)
Shouldn't you be over at Blightfarts or Russian Times with your girlfriend Caitlin?

I yearn for a substantive input from you.

ZeroJunk 02-09-2017 06:48 PM

The Democrat Party is sealing their fate for the foreseeable future.

Apparently they learned nothing from the dismantling that occurred under Obama.

The majority of the country is against open borders, which is why Trump won to start with. The majority don't give a shit about inconveniencing a handful of people. Particularly when SCOTUS is going to spank the ninth like they have 84% of the time.

So, what do the geniuses do. Double down on it.

ZeroJunk 02-09-2017 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 347205)
I yearn for a substantive input from you.

That will be the day.

Dondilion 02-09-2017 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 347194)
No one can prevent globalization unless you are in a command economy. High tariffs can make this more difficult but not impossible.

As for anti-interventionism, why does Trump want to spend even more for defense. We are not under attack from any foreign power, now or in any foreseeable future.

Better equipping the armed forces does not really help fighting terrorism either.

So Trump or Clinton, same difference. It's the mighty MIC and every Senator is beholden to them.

One however can slow globalization.

As to interventionist, there was tremendous pressure placed on Obama, to take on Russia in Europe and the M. East. For the most part he resisted and
it was hope for a more willing president--Clinton.

Trump is more anti China because he believes that China has out foxed us economically.
This does not sit well with the Soros clique which was kicked out of Russia and sees Russia as the major force opposing, globalization, One World Order--the disappearance of sovereign states.

bobabode 02-09-2017 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 347205)
I yearn for a substantive input from you.

You first, tovarich. :rolleyes:

Caitlin Johnstone is a expat shill for Russia Times, a Putin apologist and batshit crazy.

Dondilion 02-09-2017 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 347215)
You first, tovarich. :rolleyes:

Caitlin Johnstone is a expat shill for Russia Times, a Putin apologist and batshit crazy.

Rajoo added to the conversation.

The Putin apologist thing is tired.

bobabode 02-09-2017 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 347218)
Rajoo added to the conversation.

The Putin apologist thing is tired.

The same can be said about the conspiracy laden blather about Soros except that Soros is just some guy whilst Putin is a gangster in charge of a kleptocracy masquerading as a country.

ZeroJunk 02-09-2017 07:32 PM

Soros lost $8.5 million on Hillary PAC which is pretty cool.

nailer 02-09-2017 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 347205)
I yearn for a substantive input from you.

Don't hold your breath. :D

bobabode 02-09-2017 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 347221)
Soros lost $8.5 million on Hillary PAC which is pretty cool.

Thanks for the stat, 8.5 was chicken feed. ;)

bobabode 02-09-2017 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 347222)
Don't hold your breath. :D

Oh look, Captain non sequitur joins in with his tres amigos. Thanks for the chuckles, chuckleheads. :D

Dondilion 02-09-2017 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 347220)
The same can be said about the conspiracy laden blather about Soros except that Soros is just some guy whilst Putin is a gangster in charge of a kleptocracy masquerading as a country.

Soros fronts are all over the world.

He was the only man to shake the bank of England. :D

He is real!

He said he was sorry he had supported Obama instead of Clinton. I guess because Obama did not go far enough.

He said he would spend any amount of money to defeat George Bush. However Bush had the oil money and some luck.

From 2013 he became Co Chair for the finance of Clinton election. She was a certainty and ended spending $1.4 billion.

George Soros is bitter!

He thought he would get her to crack open Russia--the only place on earth which has denied him access to carry out his manipulations.

George Soros and his multiple fronts are real.

bobabode 02-09-2017 08:30 PM

Whatever you say, tovarich. :D

Just don't take tea with brother Vladimir, OK?

nailer 02-09-2017 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 347224)
Oh look, Captain non sequitur joins in with his tres amigos. Thanks for the chuckles, chuckleheads. :D

That would be Wiley Miller.

bobabode 02-09-2017 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 347236)
That would be Wiley Miller.

If you say so, bubeleh. ;)

Rajoo 02-09-2017 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 347225)
Soros fronts are all over the world.

George Soros and his multiple fronts are real.

You are the only one here that ever brings up Soros. He reminds me of another shadowy character, Sheldon Adelson.
Realistically what threats do these people pose to the US when compared to Putin and Trump. If you don't think Trump is a threat, you need to read the US constitution carefully. I don't think Trump is sinister per se but probably a bit deranged from his behavior the past three weeks. His mentor Steve Bannon is truly sinister and he is the one with the puppet strings.

icenine 02-09-2017 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 347218)
Rajoo added to the conversation.

The Putin apologist thing is tired.

Your xenophobia is beyond tiring....

Dondilion 02-10-2017 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 347243)
You are the only one here that ever brings up Soros. He reminds me of another shadowy character, Sheldon Adelson.
Realistically what threats do these people pose to the US when compared to Putin and Trump. If you don't think Trump is a threat, you need to read the US constitution carefully. I don't think Trump is sinister per se but probably a bit deranged from his behavior the past three weeks. His mentor Steve Bannon is truly sinister and he is the one with the puppet strings.

Trump is essentially a corrective input to the fast pace globalization of the US economy especially with regards to China and Mexico. I believe his thrust is not to stop or reverse but to slow.
Additionally China is seen as being too unscrupulous with its rampant disregard for intellectual property, its huge industrial espionage and the pressure it puts on American companies operating in China.

At the same time China is using the proceeds from its lopsided interface with the west to rapidly improve and expand its military to try and control the high seas in its area. Just look at its outrageous claims re the South China Sea. I believe that China is preparing for any possible confrontation with the US over Taiwan.

There are enough check and balances to control whatever over reach coming from Trump.
The Putin thing is noise--Just check Harry Reid and Sanders. :D
Russia is economically weak and is in a reactive mode to perceived threats on its borders. It is not setting up missiles near the US.

ZeroJunk 02-10-2017 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 347223)
Thanks for the stat, 8.5 was chicken feed. ;)

I agree. Which makes it curious why the largest hedge fund manager in the world is a hero to the left.

Tom Joad 02-10-2017 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 347253)
I agree. Which makes it curious why the largest hedge fund manager in the world is a hero to the left.

Not the left. He is a hero to the neo-liberal center-right Democrats.

I'm the left and I hate the fucker.

Pio1980 06-05-2017 11:21 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...d82_story.html


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