Monday Night Massacre or Trumps mine field
 

Hey Folks,
I am sure you have all heard Trump fires the acting AG for not getting on board with his travel ban. This is one more action by the POTUS that is getting attention with the question of legality.

I almost think it would be fun to take bets on how long Trump is in office before he really screws up. Specifically screws up enough so that congress grabs his reigns and puts him in his place. I also wonder what that will look like. Impeachment? him declaring himself god almighty?

As to the firing, I think he was well within his rights to do so, but to do so because "the" legal mind questions the legality of the proposed action screams for censure.

It's still pretty much even odds that he'll be impeached in his first time.
https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/b...als/222881036/

I am thinking within this first year, maybe even in the next six months. This is just a gut level knee jerk feeling though.

Cow manure. Nixonian comparisons and Hitler comparisons. You guys are tragic.

Yates was wrong. Period. She received an order from the Prez. Her obligation is to carry out the order, seek an opportunity to discuss concerns she has with the Prez directly, or resign. She doesn't get to engage in subjective politically motivated navel - gazing while directing her staff not to enforce the law.

Yates said late on Monday that the Justice Department would not defend the order against court challenges, saying that she did not believe it would be "consistent with this institution's solemn obligation to always seek justice and stand for what is right."

You get to claim a resemblance to the "Saturday Night Massacre" when you can prove that Yates was asked to fire Archibald Cox. :rolleyes:

This keeps getting lost.
http://crooksandliars.com/2017/01/ru...pill-his-beans

You can't count on good GOP congress members to impeach him because they are afraid of being "primaried" but I believe Trump may do something that becomes a tipping point from which he can't recover.

Joad was saying how Trump was going to get rid of federal workers. A push to get rid of government doctors, nurses, and others who help both active duty soldiers and veterans would be seen as anti-American and a betrayal of Trump's pledge to support the military. A similar assault on the VA could do it also.

But she made Trump look incompetent which may have been her aim.

She did nothing of the sort. She sacrificed herself - her time was limited with Sessions coming aboard anyway - to make a political statement.

True enough. However, resigning under protest or protesting and getting fired for it is largely a distinction without a difference and isn't close to being the main issue here. The main issue is that your Trumpenfuhrer, after promising to surround himself with the "best" and "smartest" people and not to make "stupid" decisions proceeds to roll out an Executive Order written by some inexperienced 31 year old punk (Stephen Miller) while ignoring his recent cabinet picks for DoD, DHS, DNI and responsible Congressional committees, only to strand people with green cards, dual citizenship, and Iraqis who risked their lives to help us and who have already undergone years of vetting.

This makes the rollout of Obamacare look slick and professional. Your Trumpenfuhrer screwed the pooch royally this time. I hope you're proud of him.

No question the EO was not well - implemented or well communicated. But, of course, that doesn't have a thing to do with the title of this thread, complete with the Nixonian references that have been buzzing around the left wing echo chamber...which it appears a place where you're right at home. :rolleyes:

But when the shoe is on the other foot?
It has nothing to do with obeying orders, has more to do with policy.
I will bet that she can win a wrongful termination lawsuit if she is legally allowed to challenge her firing. No one can force you to do anything that is unlawful and that was her stated reasoning.

And BTW whell, you are full of shit on this one. :rolleyes:

http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/sally-...bama-democrat/

The nixonian reference was a direct CNN copy. Probably not the most objective agreed.

The AG may not have acted in the most professional manner, but I completely disagree with your comments that her job is to follow the orders of the pres. If this was the case, there would be no need to have an AG. The attorney general's first responsibility is to make sure the laws be proposed and enforced are legal - far above any loyalty or responsibility to any other member of the government. That is the purpose of the position.

"You are fired!" is part of Trump's goodwill.

The AG doesn't set policy for an administration. The Prez does. The AG's job is to execute that policy. Period.

You posted BS about Yates's chances of winning a wrongful discharge lawsuit, and you're suggesting I'm full of shit? Gimme a break. Appointees require advise and consent of the Senate, but they serve at the discretion and pleasure of the Executive. Always has been that way.

She did not have to Trump is doing an excellent job of it all by himself.:p

Only this one?

Does that include breaking the law?
BTW, I stand by my comment regarding what you are full of, in fact more so.

Did Yates accuse Trump of breaking that law, or are you just making it up as you go along. :rolleyes:

Look at you discussing people. How small minded of you.

Look at you imitating Mrs. Roosevelt...:rolleyes:

You should look this up yourself but I do recall her using the word "unlawful". ;)
It's past noon and I do need to get to work. :)

Fox news innbed, it was intended to be a Muslim ban. It's on record. Is it legal? I dunno, probably not. Is it ethical? No, but that difference never concerned the tyrant in the WH.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...do-it-legally/

Trump may think he is being the great disrupter but these man-made and totally unnecessary crises will only lead to his downfall.

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Donald Trump fired the acting Attorney General, Sally Q. Yates, after learning that she had downloaded a copy of the United States Constitution to her computer, Trump told reporters on Monday night.

According to the Trump Administration’s code of ethics, established by Steve Bannon, a counsellor to the President, “possessing, reading, or referring to the United States Constitution” is a violation that is punishable by termination.

Suspecting that Yates was in breach of that rule, Bannon seized Yates’s computer at the Justice Department and discovered that she had secretly downloaded a complete copy of the 1789 document.

“Sally Yates was hatching a covert plot to require my actions to be in accordance with the Constitution,” Trump said. “We caught her red-handed.”

Trump said he hoped Yates’s firing would send Justice Department staffers the message that “if you are caught flagrantly obeying the Constitution, you will be out of here.”

“The American people deserve an Attorney General who will come to work every day ready to flout the Constitution, and in Jeff Sessions, they will have one,” he said.

Funny how republicans no longer care about the constitution......

Sally Yates was an Obama appointee.

Her days were numbered anyway simply by virtue of that.

She had nothing to lose.

So she used that situation to make a political statement.

It was hardly an act of courage as it's being played up to be.

If you don't like the direction this country is going, then just move the H**l out!! Seems to be the message!!!!

What effected me the most today was talking to a surprising number of people who like what Trump is doing. Like a strong man working hard and doing what he promised to do!

Every day so far new EO's, what is next? He can't go a single minute without the flash and awe of the media.

Gezz he needs a vacation! I know this country does....

Barney

Your memory is flawed.

How long before the lugenprez demands personal fealty oaths from all fed employees.

White House policy director: 31-year-old wrote the travel ban
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/31/politi...ion/index.html

A bipartisan group of more than 70 former federal prosecutors -- including 50 who served in Republican administrations -- issued a harshly worded statement Tuesday in support of former acting Attorney General Sally Yates.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2017/im...s.440.p.m..pdf