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bobabode 01-26-2017 12:50 AM

Trump's Shell Game
 
'Don’t get distracted by Trump’s ‘dead cats’' WP

"Donald Trump, we have long known, is a weapon of mass distraction. He detonates daily, or more often.
But now that he is president, the fallout is dangerous.
Just after noon on Tuesday, alarming news began to spread that the Trump administration was imposing a gag order on the agencies of the federal government. The Environmental Protection Agency, the Agriculture Department, the Interior Department and the Department of Health and Human Services all reported various new edicts restricting federal agencies’ use of social media, appearances in public events or contacts with the press or lawmakers. It was an authoritarian gesture that, in an ordinary time, would dominate the news.

But this is no ordinary time. As word of the gag orders spread, White House press secretary Sean Spicer came before the cameras and said publicly what Trump had already said privately the day before: that Trump believes millions of people voted illegally in the election.
“He continues to maintain that belief,” Spicer confirmed, “based on studies and evidence that people have presented to him.” But what, Spicer was asked, “does that mean for democracy?”
“It means that I’ve answered your question.”

Ka-boom. The president, through his spokesman, had just put himself at odds with leaders of his own party, Republican secretaries of state across the nation and virtually the entire store of human knowledge on the subject — and the social-media and cable news chatter quickly shifted.
Meanwhile, the sweeping gag orders muzzling the federal government quietly take effect...

...Distraction has long been Trump’s modus operandi. He dominated coverage during the primaries with outrageous pronouncements, thereby depriving his opponents of the media spotlight. When news coverage of his transition was particularly tough, he created a new narrative by attacking the cast of the musical “Hamilton.” It’s a constant use of the “dead cat” strategy: throw a dead cat on the table, and prior conversation on any other topic ceases.
But now Trump is president, and the stakes are higher. His fantastic claims about crowd size and voter fraud now divert Americans’ attention from serious and real changes in their government. We gape at dead cats, but the wolf is at the door." WP

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.fe05e58a6d8b

ZeroJunk 01-26-2017 07:54 AM

Funny thing about people like Blob, if Trump improves the economy and helps everybody in the process they will hate him even more.

donquixote99 01-26-2017 08:11 AM

You're projecting. Obama improved the economy and helped everybody and you hated him even more....

Trump won't help everybody. For just one example, watch the police body count go up in the 'inner city.'

JCricket 01-26-2017 08:59 AM

The OP makes a very good point.

Magicians use slight of hand. Trump uses outrageous BS. I think this is his slight of hand to keep people of balance as he moves forward with his own agenda.

Very Himmler/Hitlerish...........

merrylander 01-26-2017 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 345515)
Funny thing about people like Blob, if Trump improves the economy and helps everybody in the process they will hate him even more.

We all know who he will help - Wall Street - that is why the market topped 20k yesterday.

LN124308 01-26-2017 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 345515)
Funny thing about people like Blob, if Trump improves the economy and helps everybody in the process they will hate him even more.

Let's turn this statement on its head. What would Trump have to do for his supporters to turn on him? One of the most concerning things to me is that Trump and his supporters will not admit that he ever does wrong. Whether you agree with Trump or not, it's silly to try and spin everything he does in a positive light. I don't think Obama supporters did that, en masse, the way Trump supporters have done so far.

Ultimately, if you spin everything as a positive than you lose credibility when something positive actually occurs.

Tom Joad 01-26-2017 10:05 AM

Another day, another 357 anti-Trump hatchet jobs by the media. This shit has gotten as boring as watching paint dry. :rolleyes:

I've gotten to the point where about the only thing I'll believe that comes out of the media is maybe the final score of the super bowl. And even then I'm going to look for several sources for corroboration.

Rajoo 01-26-2017 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 345539)
Another day, another 357 anti-Trump hatchet jobs by the media. This shit has gotten as boring as watching paint dry. :rolleyes:

I've gotten to the point where about the only thing I'll believe that comes out of the media is maybe the final score of the super bowl. And even then I'm going to look for several sources for corroboration.

With this comment, you have as much credibility as Trump himself. If you don't trust the media, don't believe what they publish, it is so easy to verify in this information age. Very little can be hidden, even Trump's gag order is probably going to blow up in his face.

Trump won with the help of Wikileaks, he is going to be buried by leaks if he does not stop with his lies and conspiracies. Media loves to dig and people love to talk.

Tom Joad 01-26-2017 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 345544)
With this comment, you have as much credibility as Trump himself. If you don't trust the media, don't believe what they publish, it is so easy to verify in this information age. Very little can be hidden, even Trump's gag order is probably going to blow up in his face.

Trump won with the help of Wikileaks, he is going to be buried by leaks if he does not stop with his lies and conspiracies. Media loves to dig and people love to talk.

In other words you are going to kick back and let the establishments propaganda machine brainwash you.

Well, that's your problem, not mine.

Dondilion 01-26-2017 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 345518)
You're projecting. Obama improved the economy and helped everybody and you hated him even more....

Trump won't help everybody. For just one example, watch the police body count go up in the 'inner city.'

Inner cities like Chicago need State of Emergency.

One of the great irony...Obama speech from Chicago.

Trump should put the spot light on Chicago.

Tom Joad 01-26-2017 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 345518)
You're projecting. Obama improved the economy and helped everybody and you hated him even more....

Obama maintained the status quo. On his watch the rich got richer and the poor got poorer, as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end.

Rajoo 01-26-2017 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 345548)
In other words you are going to kick back and let the establishments propaganda machine brainwash you.

Well, that's your problem, not mine.

Not what I said TJ. FWIW, I am a committed independent; I have worked for myself most of my career owning businesses. I tend to read a lot and if what I read sounds too good to be true or illogical, I verify. In fact, one of the benefits of belonging to this forum is that most news & information gets vetted here quite well. So it's quite a remote possibility that I will be brainwashed.

I was willing to sit back and watch Trump in action but within two days of his presidency I was on full BS alert. Trying to force a lie as fact (or is it alternative fact?) in the face of overwhelming evidence is brainwashing. So who is being brainwashed here? ;)

bobabode 01-26-2017 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 345549)
Inner cities like Chicago need State of Emergency.

One of the great irony...Obama speech from Chicago.

Trump should put the spot light on Chicago.

So, send in the 82nd Airborne and a couple of armored divisions to police inner cities? Sounds a bit excessive, no?

donquixote99 01-26-2017 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 345549)
Inner cities like Chicago need State of Emergency.

One of the great irony...Obama speech from Chicago.

Trump should put the spot light on Chicago.

They sky is falling in Chicago? I doubt it.

Killing a bunch more niggers won't fix it in any case.

Rajoo 01-26-2017 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 345575)
They sky is falling in Chicago? I doubt it.

Killing a bunch more niggers won't fix it in any case.

But this is a shell game as the title suggests. Send in the National Guard, gangs stay indoors, call it a victory and then leave.

donquixote99 01-26-2017 12:04 PM

That's a relatively benign possibility. But I fear part of the point will be bodies. For both sides. No early departure therefore.

ZeroJunk 01-26-2017 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 345523)
We all know who he will help - Wall Street - that is why the market topped 20k yesterday.

Are you in a loony asylum somewhere. The market doubled under Obama. The only people he helped were the very rich and perhaps the very poor. The middle class got screwed.

And, 2 % growth is nowhere near prosperous. The liberal policies by nature cannot lead to prosperity.

Yet you stick to them as we slowly go down the drain like raising a frog's water to a boil.

MrPots 01-26-2017 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 345556)
So, send in the 82nd Airborne and a couple of armored divisions to police inner cities? Sounds a bit excessive, no?

That's a good way to introduce Trump's brand of control, and Chicago is his choice of place to start...once he has Chicago militarily buttoned down according to republican standards, then he'll move on to those sanctuary cities....then to cities that allow pot sales...then to gay cities and places that allow abortions... then where you live.

MrPots 01-26-2017 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 345595)
Are you in a loony asylum somewhere. The market doubled under Obama. The only people he helped were the very rich and perhaps the very poor. The middle class got screwed.

And, 2 % growth is nowhere near prosperous. The liberal policies by nature cannot lead to prosperity.

Yet you stick to them as we slowly go down the drain like raising a frog's water to a boil.

I'm not disputing you, but I do remind you this all started with "trickle down" that didn't trickle. Decidedly conservative policies.

sheltiedave 01-26-2017 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 345595)
Are you in a loony asylum somewhere. The market doubled under Obama. The only people he helped were the very rich and perhaps the very poor. The middle class got screwed.

And, 2 % growth is nowhere near prosperous. The liberal policies by nature cannot lead to prosperity.

Yet you stick to them as we slowly go down the drain like raising a frog's water to a boil.

The liberal policy is massive wealth redistribution, mainly through progressive income taxes,a high tax on business profits, and substantial governmental spending on infrastructure and social programs. This model led to the formation of the world's largest middle class ever seen, and a vigorous support system for the poor.

On the other hand, the conservative credo of lower taxes, minimal wealth redistribution, and unfettered capitalism has recently lead to the world's greatest wealth inequity via net income, and the lowering of our nation's credit rating.

Ayn Rand's rugged transformative individualism fails in actual practice across societal boundaries. Objectivism fails in every respect. Having served in the military, I learned that you are only as competent and capable as the least amongst you, so you had to make sure that weak link was pretty damn good. Capitalism is all about not caring for that weak link much, and the Republican facet is about ensuring there is a constant stream of weak links, and then taking full and complete advantage of those weak links.

Dondilion 01-26-2017 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheltiedave (Post 345605)
The liberal policy is massive wealth redistribution, mainly through progressive income taxes,a high tax on business profits, and substantial governmental spending on infrastructure and social programs. This model led to the formation of the world's largest middle class ever seen, and a vigorous support system for the poor.

On the other hand, the conservative credo of lower taxes, minimal wealth redistribution, and unfettered capitalism has recently lead to the world's greatest wealth inequity via net income, and the lowering of our nation's credit rating.

Sun Rand's rugged transformative individualism fails in actual practice across societal boundaries. Objectivism fails in every respect.

The Democratic presidents Clinton and Obama helped to send that model down the drain with their commitment to OWO (One World Order).

Now with Soros pulling the levers of the Democratic Party expect more of the same.

ZeroJunk 01-27-2017 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheltiedave (Post 345605)
The liberal policy is massive wealth redistribution, mainly through progressive income taxes,a high tax on business profits, and substantial governmental spending on infrastructure and social programs. This model led to the formation of the world's largest middle class ever seen, and a vigorous support system for the poor.

On the other hand, the conservative credo of lower taxes, minimal wealth redistribution, and unfettered capitalism has recently lead to the world's greatest wealth inequity via net income, and the lowering of our nation's credit rating.

Sun Rand's rugged transformative individualism fails in actual practice across societal boundaries. Objectivism fails in every respect.

We just had 8 years of Obama, arguably the most liberal President ever.

And, he lost 1000 Democratic seats across government and 60% plus think the country is going in the wrong direction.

There is no other scenario in the cosmos that would have gotten Trump elected.

Oerets 01-27-2017 07:08 AM

Shell game in the making, when it comes to voter fraud. Just a way to even more voter suppression.

Obama was far from the Liberal President I would of wanted. To nice and accommodating to the GOP. Tried to be a GOP Light President IMO.

One major thing this election showed me was just how effective hate and fear are at bring out the vote. Something the GOP should be learning from right now! Will they? Who knows we are only a week in.



Barney

Dondilion 01-27-2017 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 345671)
We just had 8 years of Obama, arguably the most liberal President ever.

And, he lost 1000 Democratic seats across government and 60% plus think the country is going in the wrong direction.

There is no other scenario in the cosmos that would have gotten Trump elected.

Democrats have lost sight of what is required to win via the Electoral College.

They are wallowing in urban redundancy.

donquixote99 01-27-2017 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 345671)
We just had 8 years of Obama, arguably the most liberal President ever.

And, he lost 1000 Democratic seats across government and 60% plus think the country is going in the wrong direction.

There is no other scenario in the cosmos that would have gotten Trump elected.

He wasn't the most liberal at all. Jimmy Carter? LBJ?

He was the most something, though. Like, one of these things is not like the others?

http://www.politicalchat.org/attachm...1&d=1485528339

Dondilion 01-27-2017 08:59 AM

Thanks for the photo.

Dubya looks like he is ready for action.

Rajoo 01-27-2017 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 345671)
We just had 8 years of Obama, arguably the most liberal President ever.

And, he lost 1000 Democratic seats across government and 60% plus think the country is going in the wrong direction.

There is no other scenario in the cosmos that would have gotten Trump elected.

Try arguably the most moderate. The GOP held the house and senate for six of his eight years with the house practicing the Hastert rule. So how could Obama get all those liberal policies enacted. Is it still called the Hastert rule? ;)

As to your second point, Obama goes out with a 61% approval rating and Trump comes into the office with 40%.

Now wonder millions of people showed to express their joy at the Trump his inauguration. 2million people was it? :rolleyes:

bobabode 01-27-2017 02:53 PM

'What we talk about when we talk about Donald Trump and ‘gaslighting’'
 
"She hears footsteps from above, shuffling against the attic floorboards. A framed painting suddenly vanishes from a wall. The gas-fueled flames of the chandelier flicker and dim.

She is certain it happened — but her husband assures her that she’s imagining it all. It’s her behavior that seems odd, he insists; perhaps she’s going mad? And, slowly, she begins to believe him.

This is the plot of the 1944 Ingrid Bergman film “Gaslight.” It is also the origin of a buzzword that has spread from pop culture to clinical psychology and back again — but has never been more visible than it is now, in commentary about the conduct of President Trump:
CNN: Donald Trump is ‘gaslighting’ all of us
Teen Vogue: Donald Trump Is Gaslighting America
NBC: Some Experts Say Trump Team’s Falsehoods Are Classic ‘Gaslighting’

This is a very specific accusation. To “gaslight” someone isn’t just to lie to them or to manipulate their emotions. It is a deliberate attempt to deceive someone into questioning their own perception of reality. (“Suddenly, I’m beginning not to trust my memory at all,” says Bergman’s character, Paula, as her faith in her senses begins to fray.)

Throughout Trump’s ascent to the presidency, he was repeatedly accused of this sort of manipulation. When he wanted to shift attention away from his vocal support of the birther movement, he falsely claimed that Hillary Clinton had started the conspiracy theory. Trump told the New York Times that it was a “mistake” for him to retweet an unflattering photo of Ted Cruz’s wife — then later insisted in a TV interview, “I didn’t actually say it that way.” He vehemently denied that he had mocked a disabled reporter, despite a widely circulated video that showed him doing exactly that. After winning the election by a narrow margin, losing the popular vote by nearly 3 million, Trump hailed his victory as a “landslide.” Most recently, Trump and his administration have insisted that the crowd at his inauguration was the largest in American history — even as aerial photographs, crowd estimates, Metro ridership numbers and witnesses on the scene show otherwise." WP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

Tom Joad 01-27-2017 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 345671)
We just had 8 years of Obama, arguably the most liberal President ever.

:rolleyes:

Obama wasn't even the most liberal Republican President. Not by a long shot.

Pio1980 01-28-2017 11:21 AM

Far from that, but selectively Progressive. Nonetheless replaced by the most fabulist president ever.
Look it up.
I'll save you the trouble. "Fabulist", someone who makes stuff up, a liar.


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